The Return of Christ

[Carry_Your_Name]

I can't discuss this with you any longer--not because we disagree but because there is no understanding coming out of our discussion between us. And calling me "antisemtic" is over the top.

Great, now you're taking the Emperor's new clothes tactic, donning an intellectual outfit of superiority that's visible to nobody else but yourself because everybody else is too dumb to see it, as they have "no understanding".

 

[RandyK]

Great, now you're taking the Emperor's new clothes tactic, donning an intellectual outfit of superiority that's visible to nobody else but yourself because everybody else is too dumb to see it, as they have "no understanding".

There is no spiritual light being generated, so I'm not interested.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus gave the proof: There will be wars and rumours of wars,,,there will be famines and earthquakes in many places....these are the birthpangs of the new age. [the Millennium] Matthew 24:6-8

What do you mean by new age? Can you explain what this new age is all about?

There have always been wars and rumors of war, famine and earthquakes, but even now in our time they increase until the coming of the Lord.

 

[Keraz]

What do you mean by new age? Can you explain what this new age is all about?

There have always been wars and rumors of war, famine and earthquakes, but even now in our time they increase until the coming of the Lord.

The Millennium reign of Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords; Isaiah 65:18-25

Romans 8:19-23 The created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed. It was His choice to subject all things to mortality and decay, with the eventual goal of His people entering into the glorious liberty of immortality and a renewed creation. Up to the present as we know, the whole of creation, in all its parts, groans as if in the pangs of childbirth. [our situation now]
What is more, we also, to whom the Spirit is given as first-fruits of the harvest to come, are inwardly groaning in anticipation of our adoption as children of God and our liberation from mortality. [After the Millennium]
Isaiah 42:13-15 The Lord has kept silence and restrained Himself for all this age, allowing this world to go its own way. But as the appointed time approaches, He is like a woman in labour, prepared and ready to take action. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, roused to a fury in the heat of battle. He will shout His battle cry and will triumph over His enemies. The land will be laid to waste, all the plants and trees will burn and the streams and lakes will become dry. Isaiah 63:4, Habakkuk 2:3, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Rev 6:12-17

Matthew 24:3-8 Lord; tell us the signs of the end of this age. Jesus replied: Take care that no-one misleads you, for many false Messiahs and teachers will come and many will be fooled by them. The time is coming when you will hear of wars and rumours of wars, for there will be an increase of wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines. All these things are the birth pangs of the new age. Jeremiah 15:2

As Jesus prophesied, there will be wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines at the end of this age. He likened these things to ‘birth pangs’. When we consider normal childbirth, the labour pangs are separated by periods of relative calm. So if there have been times when clusters of those four disasters have occurred, we can ascertain that time must be very short for this age. Here are the facts:

1/ In 1914-19, World War 1 occurred. There were 7 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Smallpox and typhus killed millions, but Spanish flu killed at least 50 million in 1918/19. There were terrible famines in Europe, and Russia.

2/ During 1939-45 there was World War 2 and 8 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Typhus again killed millions, in North Africa, in Iran and Europe. Anne Frank died of typhus. A terrible famine in China killed at least 45 million.

3/ The data suggests that the third ‘birth pang’, commenced in Nov. 11, 2001. Wars and rumours of wars are rife. It is considered that the global war on terrorism is a world war. There have been more than 20 earthquakes of 8 and two over 9 magnitude. Diseases such as cancer, AIDs and Covid are of epidemic proportions. Crop failures due to unusual weather and wars result in famines in Asia, Ukraine and Africa.

But the last, most shocking and devastating event of the third birth pang, will be the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. This will be the many prophesied ‘fire from heaven’ that describes a huge Coronal Mass Ejection sunstrike, will affect the whole world, killing probably billions. This will enable two things; the establishment of a One World Government and the re-settling of the Lord’s faithful people into all of the holy Land. The time gap of the Seventh Seal, Revelation 8:1, [1/2 hour in Heaven = 20 years on earth] from this CME until the Great Tribulation is prophesied as a time of peace and prosperity. After the G.T. Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign.

4/ The fourth and final ‘birth pang’, will be the Great Tribulation, so vividly described in Revelation, but ending with the Return of Jesus and the start of the Millennial era.
Keraz; logostelos.info

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

As Jesus prophesied, there will be wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines at the end of this age. He likened these things to ‘birth pangs’. When we consider normal childbirth, the labour pangs are separated by periods of relative calm. So if there have been times when clusters of those four disasters have occurred, we can ascertain that time must be very short for this age.

No, those birth pangs are growing pains, they are NOT indicators of the end; these disasters happen on regional scale all the time, they may herald the end of an age or a regime, e.g. the siege of Jerusalem in AD70, but not the end of the whole world. The one and only definitive sign of the end is the completion of the great commission, when the whole world bears witness of the gospel; before that is the blooming of the fig tree, which symbolizes the revival of Israel.

See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (Matt. 24:6)
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matt. 24:14)
Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! (Matt. 24:32-33)

 

[for_his_glory]

The Millennium reign of Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords; Isaiah 65:18-25

Romans 8:19-23 The created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed. It was His choice to subject all things to mortality and decay, with the eventual goal of His people entering into the glorious liberty of immortality and a renewed creation. Up to the present as we know, the whole of creation, in all its parts, groans as if in the pangs of childbirth. [our situation now]
What is more, we also, to whom the Spirit is given as first-fruits of the harvest to come, are inwardly groaning in anticipation of our adoption as children of God and our liberation from mortality. [After the Millennium]
Isaiah 42:13-15 The Lord has kept silence and restrained Himself for all this age, allowing this world to go its own way. But as the appointed time approaches, He is like a woman in labour, prepared and ready to take action. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, roused to a fury in the heat of battle. He will shout His battle cry and will triumph over His enemies. The land will be laid to waste, all the plants and trees will burn and the streams and lakes will become dry. Isaiah 63:4, Habakkuk 2:3, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Rev 6:12-17

Matthew 24:3-8 Lord; tell us the signs of the end of this age. Jesus replied: Take care that no-one misleads you, for many false Messiahs and teachers will come and many will be fooled by them. The time is coming when you will hear of wars and rumours of wars, for there will be an increase of wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines. All these things are the birth pangs of the new age. Jeremiah 15:2

As Jesus prophesied, there will be wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines at the end of this age. He likened these things to ‘birth pangs’. When we consider normal childbirth, the labour pangs are separated by periods of relative calm. So if there have been times when clusters of those four disasters have occurred, we can ascertain that time must be very short for this age. Here are the facts:

1/ In 1914-19, World War 1 occurred. There were 7 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Smallpox and typhus killed millions, but Spanish flu killed at least 50 million in 1918/19. There were terrible famines in Europe, and Russia.

2/ During 1939-45 there was World War 2 and 8 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Typhus again killed millions, in North Africa, in Iran and Europe. Anne Frank died of typhus. A terrible famine in China killed at least 45 million.

3/ The data suggests that the third ‘birth pang’, commenced in Nov. 11, 2001. Wars and rumours of wars are rife. It is considered that the global war on terrorism is a world war. There have been more than 20 earthquakes of 8 and two over 9 magnitude. Diseases such as cancer, AIDs and Covid are of epidemic proportions. Crop failures due to unusual weather and wars result in famines in Asia, Ukraine and Africa.

But the last, most shocking and devastating event of the third birth pang, will be the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. This will be the many prophesied ‘fire from heaven’ that describes a huge Coronal Mass Ejection sunstrike, will affect the whole world, killing probably billions. This will enable two things; the establishment of a One World Government and the re-settling of the Lord’s faithful people into all of the holy Land. The time gap of the Seventh Seal, Revelation 8:1, [1/2 hour in Heaven = 20 years on earth] from this CME until the Great Tribulation is prophesied as a time of peace and prosperity. After the G.T. Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign.

4/ The fourth and final ‘birth pang’, will be the Great Tribulation, so vividly described in Revelation, but ending with the Return of Jesus and the start of the Millennial era.
Keraz; logostelos.info

Thank you for your input.

 

[Keraz]

Signposts of the coming Apocalypse:
The Bible does not prophesy the end of the world or of total destruction, but of a whole series of carefully timed events that lead up to the great and glorious Return of Jesus. The final countdown of the end times will take years and before the first prophesied event happens, we are told of a few preliminary things that will set the stage for the political, economic and religious climate that is necessary to trigger the Lord’s action. These preparatory steps seem to be falling into place in rapid succession.
It is humanly impossible to resolve the political situation in the Middle East, many countries have failing economies and in many countries; population has outstripped their resources.

Many people today react negatively to anyone who warns about a coming reset of civilization, even though it is obvious that things cannot continue as they are for much longer. They say it is foolish to worry about what may happen, or even talk about the trends and signs that point toward the end time scenario as portrayed in Scripture.

In Matthew 16:1-4, Jesus sternly rebuked the religious leaders of His day for their failure to discern the signs of His first coming. He was fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies and performing miracles, yet they were blind to it all. Likewise today, many religious leaders are doing the same, blinded to prophecy and to the signs that point to an imminent commencement of God’s program of preparation for the Return of Jesus.

God is preparing the world stage for His drama of the ages. When the curtain parts, when the heavens are torn asunder, Isaiah 64:1-2, then those who have failed to understand or even to consider the more than 100 prophesies that clearly tell about the forthcoming fire judgement/punishment, they will be shocked and terrified. .

A judgement by fire from the sun, causing extreme heat, violent storms, tectonic plate shift and huge tsunamis, will happen next; Revelation 6:12-17 and it will be a testing time for all mankind. 1 Peter 4:12
Do not hope for a rapture from this first event. The prophesies that tell of a ‘meeting in the air’ refer to the visible Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign, which is to come about ten years later

The greatest threat facing the world is a nuclear armed Iran attacking Israel, along with their proxies and all the Islamic peoples. Isaiah 22:6, Psalms 83
Bible prophecy, our sure guide with proven fulfilled predictions, tells us that this attack will be the trigger for His wrath. Ezekiel 7:14 When Iran tries to send nukes.

God’s wrath destroyed the civilization of Noah’s time with a great flood; this time He will use fire to destroy His enemies. The Lord promises to save a remnant of Jews in Jerusalem, Isaiah 31:5 and around the world, all those people who take heed of the warnings to shelter and who call upon His Name for protection, will be kept safe. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Isaiah 26:20-21, Isaiah 43:2

Do not doubt; events will unfold as the prophets have so graphically prophesied, so long ago. First this terrible judgement by fire, a massive CME will be blasted out from the Lord’s storehouse, the sun. Deut. 32:34-35, Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:15-17

Then the world’s survivors will establish a One World Government, but the great promises of God to the Patriarchs and to His righteous peoples; from every tribe, race, nation and language, will then be fulfilled, as they gather and settle into the Holy Land. Zechariah 10:8-10, Romans 9:24-26

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Signposts of the coming Apocalypse:
The Bible does not prophesy the end of the world or of total destruction, but of a whole series of carefully timed events that lead up to the great and glorious Return of Jesus. The final countdown of the end times will take years and before the first prophesied event happens, we are told of a few preliminary things that will set the stage for the political, economic and religious climate that is necessary to trigger the Lord’s action. These preparatory steps seem to be falling into place in rapid succession.
It is humanly impossible to resolve the political situation in the Middle East, many countries have failing economies and in many countries; population has outstripped their resources.

Many people today react negatively to anyone who warns about a coming reset of civilization, even though it is obvious that things cannot continue as they are for much longer. They say it is foolish to worry about what may happen, or even talk about the trends and signs that point toward the end time scenario as portrayed in Scripture.

In Matthew 16:1-4, Jesus sternly rebuked the religious leaders of His day for their failure to discern the signs of His first coming. He was fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies and performing miracles, yet they were blind to it all. Likewise today, many religious leaders are doing the same, blinded to prophecy and to the signs that point to an imminent commencement of God’s program of preparation for the Return of Jesus.

God is preparing the world stage for His drama of the ages. When the curtain parts, when the heavens are torn asunder, Isaiah 64:1-2, then those who have failed to understand or even to consider the more than 100 prophesies that clearly tell about the forthcoming fire judgement/punishment, they will be shocked and terrified. .

A judgement by fire from the sun, causing extreme heat, violent storms, tectonic plate shift and huge tsunamis, will happen next; Revelation 6:12-17 and it will be a testing time for all mankind. 1 Peter 4:12
Do not hope for a rapture from this first event. The prophesies that tell of a ‘meeting in the air’ refer to the visible Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign, which is to come about ten years later

The greatest threat facing the world is a nuclear armed Iran attacking Israel, along with their proxies and all the Islamic peoples. Isaiah 22:6, Psalms 83
Bible prophecy, our sure guide with proven fulfilled predictions, tells us that this attack will be the trigger for His wrath. Ezekiel 7:14 When Iran tries to send nukes.

God’s wrath destroyed the civilization of Noah’s time with a great flood; this time He will use fire to destroy His enemies. The Lord promises to save a remnant of Jews in Jerusalem, Isaiah 31:5 and around the world, all those people who take heed of the warnings to shelter and who call upon His Name for protection, will be kept safe. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Isaiah 26:20-21, Isaiah 43:2

Do not doubt; events will unfold as the prophets have so graphically prophesied, so long ago. First this terrible judgement by fire, a massive CME will be blasted out from the Lord’s storehouse, the sun. Deut. 32:34-35, Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:15-17

Then the world’s survivors will establish a One World Government, but the great promises of God to the Patriarchs and to His righteous peoples; from every tribe, race, nation and language, will then be fulfilled, as they gather and settle into the Holy Land. Zechariah 10:8-10, Romans 9:24-26

Boomers are the generation that grew up in the post-WWII order and maintained this order. As they're dying out, this old order fades away with them, it's bound to be reset.

 

[for_his_glory]

The prophesies that tell of a ‘meeting in the air’ refer to the visible Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign, which is to come about ten years later

Where do you get the ten year timeline as scripture says no one knows the day or the hour of Christ return, but to be prepared Spiritually for His return.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[Keraz]

Where do you get the ten year timeline

Simply enough time to fit in what must happen from the Sixth Seal to the glorious Return.

Matthew 24:36-38 does not refer to Jesus' Return. It Prophesies the Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath. THAT is the Day which will come unexpectedly, surprising and shocking everyone.1 Thess 5:3

 

[for_his_glory]

Simply enough time to fit in what must happen from the Sixth Seal to the glorious Return.

Matthew 24:36-38 does not refer to Jesus' Return. It Prophesies the Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath. THAT is the Day which will come unexpectedly, surprising and shocking everyone.1 Thess 5:3

I never said Matthew 24:36-38 refers to Jesus return, but only compares His return like that of Noah's days.

You still have not shown me scripture that states 10 years from the 6th seal to the return of Christ.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[Keraz]

You still have not shown me scripture that states 10 years from the 6th seal to the return of Christ.

There are 2 periods of 7 years to happen between the 6th Seal and the glorious Return.
The Gog/Magog attack on the holy Land and the clean up, and the 7 year peace treaty, as per Daniel 9:27
They will overlap by a few years, because the peace treaty will be made because of the G/M victory.

So the period is more like 12/13 years.
The day and hour we do not know, refers to the Sixth Seal reset of world civilization.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I never said Matthew 24:36-38 refers to Jesus return, but only compares His return like that of Noah's days.

You still have not shown me scripture that states 10 years from the 6th seal to the return of Christ.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matt. 24:29-31 does refer to his return though, and the trumpet and the gathering are references of the Feast of Trumpets. It should be noted that Matt. 24:36 must not be taken out of the context of the Olivet Discourse, which is all about the signs of his return, by no means does it imply that we should be ignorant on this matter. If we were supposed to be totally left in the dark, we wouldn't have been told to watch out for these signs.