The Simple Key to Interpreting Revelation

[Shilohsfoal]

I believe the abomination is rejecting Jesus. Believers are conformed to our Lords' image. Unbelievers reflect the beasts' image.

You can believe the abomination is a banana peal tossed out of a driver's side window of a car if you want but the word of God says the abomination that causes desolation is set up by the armed forces.At least you can't change the word of God.Thank God.


Daniel 11:31
His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation

 

[journeyman]

I think the key is to see that when Jesus said it would happen “soon” it happened soon and find the fulfillment in history. It’s astonishing.

The point is, Thou art my hiding place Psa.119:114.

It's the state we're in that matters, not the geographical lication.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

This is what takes place in Judea after the armed forces place the abomination that causes desolation in the city of Jerusalem.


Mathew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[journeyman]

You can believe the abomination is a banana peal tossed out of a driver's side window of a car if you want but the word of God says the abomination that causes desolation is set up by the armed forces.At least you can't change the word of God.Thank God.

Daniel 11:31
His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation

You seem to think desolation is caused by carnal weapons.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You seem to think desolation is caused by carnal weapons.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki is proof they do.
Those were two very small yeild bombs compared to today's.

But what you are ignoring is God's word that it is the armed forces of the king of the north, that set up the abomination that causes desolation .
It's very important to listen to God's word if you want to learn.


Daniel 11:31
His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation

 

[journeyman]

This is what takes place in Judea after the armed forces place the abomination that causes desolation in the city of Jerusalem.

Mathew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

There was never greater tribulation than when our Savior faced off against the beast.
Believers face great tribulation,

we must through much tribulation enter into the Kingdom of God. Act.14:22

These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev.7:14

We should run to God. He's the mountain of our protection. And we should leave our old life behind.

 

[journeyman]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki is proof they do.
Those were two very small yeild bombs compared to today's.

But what you are ignoring is God's word that it is the armed forces of the king of the north, that set up the abomination that causes desolation .
It's very important to listen to God's word if you want to learn.

Daniel 11:31
His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation

Nuclear weapons can't defeat us,

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. Isa.54:17

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The point is, Thou art my hiding place Psa.119:114.

It's the state we're in that matters, not the geographical lication.

Well, it depends upon what’s happening where we live. Living in the Ukraine right now, for example, isn’t the same as Montana.

 

[journeyman]

Well, it depends upon what’s happening where we live. Living in the Ukraine right now, for example, isn’t the same as Montana.

It's very sad. Governments search for answers that Jesus gave solutions to long ago.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

There was never greater tribulation than when our Savior faced off against the beast.
Believers face great tribulation,

we must through much tribulation enter into the Kingdom of God. Act.14:22

These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev.7:14

We should run to God. He's the mountain of our protection. And we should leave our old life behind.

Jesus was actually quoting Daniel when he spoke of "tribulation such has never been "and he's not talking about himself or any saints.
According to Daniel the great tribulation takes place at the time of the end when the king of the north goes forth to innihilate many.
According to Jesus ,that's when the abomination that causes desolation. Is placed in Jerusalem.

It all makes perfect sense once you learn who the king of the north is and Israel's policy called the Samson option.

 

[journeyman]

Jesus was actually quoting Daniel when he spoke of "tribulation such has never been "and he's not talking about himself or any saints.

I disagree.

According to Daniel the great tribulation takes place at the time of the end when the king of the north goes forth to innihilate many.

I think what we need to focus on is that it really doesn't matter what time period a believer lived on earth. What really matters is the state we're in.

According to Jesus ,that's when the abomination that causes desolation. Is placed in Jerusalem. It all makes perfect sense once you learn who the king of the north is and Israel's policy called the Samson option.

It makes sense to see how tribulation affects people in general.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I disagree.

I think what we need to focus on is that it really doesn't matter what time period a believer lived on earth. What really matters is the state we're in.

It makes sense to see how tribulation affects people in general.

So you believe a time of tribulation,such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time is not the same as a time of tribulation ,as had not been from the time there was a nation on the earth untill that time?

Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Daniel 12:1
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.


Since you don't believe the tribulation ,such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time nor ever shall be is not the same as the time of tribulation,as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth untill that time,then which tribulation do you believe is first, then tribulation Jesus spoke of at his coming or the tribulation Daniel spoke of at the time of the resurrection?


And saying it's not important to know when this takes place is the opposite of God's intentions because he has given us enough information in scripture that we could know the day it shall be 1290 days in advance.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It's very sad. Governments search for answers that Jesus gave solutions to long ago.

Well, people need to actually do the commands of Jesus for freedom and peace to reign.

 

[Highway54]

The reason Jesus' Revelation to us is such a confusing mess, that some even say no one can understand it all, is because we have made it a mess. We make it into a massive tangle of mystery, symbology, and hidden secrets, that no man can unravel.

We are first messing it all up, then trying to unravel our own mess. We are the ones that have made Revelation the Gordian knot of God, not Jesus Christ.

It only makes sense that Revelation of Christ ought make clear easy sense of all His prophecies of old, since it's His Revelation that uncovers all mysteries and secrets of all such prophecies.

Revelation is the final picture by which all the pieces of the puzzle can be easily and rightly fit together. We've been trying to interpret Revelation as a missing picture, and cutting and misshaping old prophecy pieces into it, until we think we have a proper picture of the whole.

The ley therefore is to first read and see and study the final picture made by the words of Jesus Revelation, and then go get the old pieces of prophecy and place them in order easily according to the end product: The Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Conclusion: Revelation interprets all old prophecy of Scripture, not the other way around. We don't interpret Revelation by old prophecy of Scripture.

We don't take old prophecies of Scripture, and then say Revelation must mean this or that, based upon where we choose to put the pieces of old prophecy into the puzzle.

The key to unlocking the great mysteries of Revelation, is by throwing away the lock we have put on Christ's Revealing of all mysteries of prophecies of old.

Revelation is not written as the greatest mystery of God in the Bible, even greater in mysteriousness than all prophecies before, but is the key to unlocking all such old prophetic mysteries in a sure and sensible way.

I simply accept that God feeds His people through the faithful slave, so I accept their understanding of Revelation. Of course one has to know who that slave is, and who His people are. That is not so easy to do.

 

[journeyman]

So you believe a time of tribulation,such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time is not the same as a time of tribulation ,as had not been from the time there was a nation on the earth untill that time?

Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Daniel 12:1
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.


Since you don't believe the tribulation ,such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time nor ever shall be is not the same as the time of tribulation,as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth untill that time,then which tribulation do you believe is first, then tribulation Jesus spoke of at his coming or the tribulation Daniel spoke of at the time of the resurrection?

Both our Savior and the Prophets spoke of that tribulation as a time when the final battle between good and evil would be decided, with good triumphing. This war was won by Jesus who faced that great tribulation caused by every power of darkness. If we had to face tribulation like that we'd be doomed.

And saying it's not important to know when this takes place is the opposite of God's intentions because he has given us enough information in scripture that we could know the day it shall be 1290 days in advance.

1290 days is (about?) the length of our Lords' ministry on earth. But we believers as members of his body are still in this war. and may also face great tribulation. For us, he shortened those days,

God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able 1Cor.10:13

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Both our Savior and the Prophets spoke of that tribulation as a time when the final battle between good and evil would be decided, with good triumphing. This war was won by Jesus who faced that great tribulation caused by every power of darkness. If we had to face tribulation like that we'd be doomed.

1290 days is (about?) the length of our Lords' ministry on earth. But we believers as members of his body are still in this war. and may also face great tribulation. For us, he shortened those days,

God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able 1Cor.10:13

So you believe the day of the Lord was when Christ died?
You sound like maybe your preterist.

 

[journeyman]

So you believe the day of the Lord was when Christ died?

It is for those who accept hus invitation,

Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests. Zep.1:7

To partake of his sacrifice is to be conformed to his image,

For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. 1Cor.11:29

The Day of the Lord is when God is "revealed" to mankind. People come to know him at different times, but it extends until the end.

This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Psa.118:24

He's referring to the day the builders rejected the Corner Stone. It's truly stunning how Jesus endured that much bs from sinners.

You sound like maybe your preterist.

I believe the gospel has been preached from the beginning in different ways. Faith in God has always been the reason for the gospel. To me, the Revelation of Jesus is how he's revealed to believers.

No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known. Jn.1:18

God is longsuffering toward sinners. He always has been. The Son made his Father known by his longsuffering, love, peace, etc.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It is for those who accept hus invitation,

Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests. Zep.1:7

To partake of his sacrifice is to be conformed to his image,

For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. 1Cor.11:29

The Day of the Lord is when God is "revealed" to mankind. People come to know him at different times, but it extends until the end.

This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Psa.118:24

He's referring to the day the builders rejected the Corner Stone. It's truly stunning how Jesus endured that much bs from sinners.

I believe the gospel has been preached from the beginning in different ways. Faith in God has always been the reason for the gospel. To me, the Revelation of Jesus is how he's revealed to believers.

No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known. Jn.1:18

God is longsuffering toward sinners. He always has been. The Son made his Father known by his longsuffering, love, peace, etc.

You really don't seem to know the word of God very well.You see we were discussing great tribulation.Thats when Jesus said the people in Judea would flee to the mountains.

Mathew 24
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Now according to zech 14,they flee on the day of the Lord.So when exactly are you saying this day took place?You have a date you are saying this took place?


Zech 14

King James Version​

The day of the Lord​

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14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Yes I'm speaking of the millinial kingdom when I speak of the kingdom of heaven.

I can agree with that.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

The kingdom of heaven is on earth, when the Lord's kingdom is on earth doing His will as in heaven.

That is why His gospel is that His kingdom is at hand.

Good job. I'll stick with it in the future.

And no ,there will not be anyone in the millinial kingdom who has not been saved.
Those who have no rain are consumed.

They were unsaved on earth before and while being consumed. That's why they rebelled against the King and refused to go up to the feast of tabernacles.

Zech 14
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Those who receive no rain ,recieve the plague.The plague consumes them as they stand upon their feet as seen below.
Zech 14
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth

That's at His return, not during His reign. No man will be allowed to make war in all the King's inherited nations.

And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

But some will be allowed to rebel and go not up to His yearly feast, and unto their own destruction.

So no,there will only be christians in the promised land from the Euphrates river to the Nile .All others are consumed.All who dwell in the promised land be be holy,washed clean.Five cities of Egypt east of the Nile river are incorporated into the millinial kingdom for they are in the boundary of the promised land.

All the earth and nations will be judged and ruled with rod of iron by the King. That is the prophecies of old, that His own were looking for at His first coming, and so tried to make Him King, and did not receive Him when He refused it.

O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Isaiah 19

18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the Lord of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.

20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.

21 And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.

22 And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance

This is specific to that land on earth, while all the earth is ruled over by the King.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

The rest of Egypt shall be laid to waste and will lay desolate for 40 years.No foot of man or beast will pass through it because of what the cruel man of sin does to it.

True. Much of the destruction at the Lord's return upon the armies gathered against Him will remain in open sight as a reminder not to make war with the King.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I can agree with that.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

The kingdom of heaven is on earth, when the Lord's kingdom is on earth doing His will as in heaven.

That is why His gospel is that His kingdom is at hand.

Good job. I'll stick with it in the future.

They were unsaved on earth before and while being consumed. That's why they rebelled against the King and refused to go up to the feast of tabernacles.


That's at His return, not during His reign. No man will be allowed to make war in all the King's inherited nations.

And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

But some will be allowed to rebel and go not up to His yearly feast, and unto their own destruction.


All the earth and nations will be judged and ruled with rod of iron by the King. That is the prophecies of old, that His own were looking for at His first coming, and so tried to make Him King, and did not receive Him when He refused it.

O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.


This is specific to that land on earth, while all the earth is ruled over by the King.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.


True. Much of the destruction at the Lord's return upon the armies gathered against Him will remain in open sight as a reminder not to make war with the King.

It's not the Lord who destroys Egypt.Its the son of perdition, man of sin who destroys it.

Isaiah 19
4 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts.

This is speaking of the man of sin,king of the north who destroys Egypt at the time of the end.

Daniel 11
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.


The 40 years it will lay desolate is because of the radiation from the nuclear weapons used on Egypt .