The spirit of antichrist

[Vic C.]

Is the spirit of the antichrist similar to the Holy Spirit in that it is a separate entity in the antichristhead?

Possibly, but have a different belief. There is talk in the End Times circle of a counerfeit Trinity which consists of Satan, Antichrist (or False Messiah) and False Prophet.

 

[mutzrein]

Muz,

Jesus teaching is not confusing or complicated. You are making it sound complicated. Why are you doing it?

Hi Ginger

I tell you what is complicated. Being afraid that if you don’t do all the things that are written in the book, that you will lose your salvation. I don’t live by rules or THE law that is written in the book. Jesus has made a way for me to live by the Spirit which has set me free from the power of sin (which is death). The law is written on my heart. I live by faith. And this is the gospel. Plain & simple.

Wouldn’t a person rather live without the stress or fear of not measuring up - if they could? How many people who belong to a religion or sect or cult do you think are held there because of the fear of losing their salvation if they don’t abide by their ‘law’ or doctrine.

Christendom has turned the New Testament into a modern day law. They are no different to the Pharisees of whom Jesus said, “You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.â€Â

It is Christ that has made a way for us to know God. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life – not adherence to what is written in the book.

Oh I pray that you could see this.

 

[gingercat]

Mutz,

You are contributing to more confusing Christianity. There are some who talk just like you. You are not anything new. I don't mean to be rude or anything. I am just telling you the fact what I have expericed in the forums. There are some saying we dont need the Bible and all we need is Jesus. This kind of faith is very apealing to young generation who are trained to be lazy.

good day muz, I am done with this topic with you.

Sincerely.

 

[Georges]

Is the spirit of the antichrist similar to the Holy Spirit in that it is a separate entity in the antichristhead?

Possibly, but have a different belief. There is talk in the End Times circle of a counerfeit Trinity which consists of Satan, Antichrist (or False Messiah) and False Prophet.

Yeh Vic...I know about that....however you probably will have guessed that for me it isn't a Satanic Trinity, and not even a copy of a trinity, that is in the mold of Father, Son, Holy Ghost.

God................satan
Messiah..........false messiah
Elijah..............false elijah


Elijah is not the Holy Spirit...

 

[gingercat]

Holy Spirit is a Spirit and not a person.

 

[thessalonian]

Holy Spirit is a Spirit and not a person.

Not according to dictionary.com. There is not one definition of person. Sorry.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/person

per·son ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pûrsn)
n.
A living human. Often used in combination: chairperson; spokesperson; salesperson.
An individual of specified character: a person of importance.
The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
The living body of a human: searched the prisoner's person.
Physique and general appearance.
Law. A human or organization with legal rights and duties.
Christianity. Any of the three separate individualities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as distinguished from the essence of the Godhead that unites them.
Grammar.
Any of three groups of pronoun forms with corresponding verb inflections that distinguish the speaker (first person), the individual addressed (second person), and the individual or thing spoken of (third person).
Any of the different forms or inflections expressing these distinctions.
A character or role, as in a play; a guise: “Well, in her person, I say I will not have you†(Shakespeare).


This is the English language. You don't invent it. You do not have the authority to change it. Sorry. By the way, the Bible does not invent language either. It uses language to help people understand God. It does influence language however.

 

[Georges]

Anyway.....the spirit of antichrist is different than the false messiah...


These are two different things....

One is anyone who has a spirit opposed to that of Christ's spirit. What is that? Pretty much those who don't do God's will (Torah) are antichrist. Those who teach opposed to what Christ did are antichrist. Those who teach the Torah as being negated are antichrist....

The other, is a person actually claiming to be Christ....and not necessarily opposed to the real Christ (ie Christ like actions). In other words, he will appear to be Christ to many people.

 

[thessalonian]

Ginger,

Can individual angels be said to be "persons"? You do believe in angels don't you? The answer in my book is clearly yes. Angels are spirit. Therefore the logic you use above that because one is spirit they cannot be a person is false logic, especially taking in to consideration the definition of person.

Blessings

 

[Imagican]

ONce again, the Catholic influence being placed ahead of the Word. There is NO statement in the Word that The Spirit IS a person. That is simply a word whose use in 'trinity' was 'created' by the CC.

Whether the Spirit is a 'person' or simply The Spirit of God has no difinitive answer in the Word. Why 'make up' stuff that we DON'T understand?

 

[thessalonian]

That is by your definition of Word of God = scripture, which you cannot show from scripture. So it seems we are at an impass. The scriptures themselves do not use WOG and scripture interchangably. I do not accept your definition of WOG = scripture. (scripture is the WOG).

 

[R7-12]

There is a definitive answer from Scripture.

Go and learn what this means,

The Holy Spirit admits of gains and losses in the individual, therefore it cannot be a person.

R7-12

 

[Imagican]

Thank You.

 

[mutzrein]

Mutz,

You are contributing to more confusing Christianity. There are some who talk just like you. You are not anything new. I don't mean to be rude or anything. I am just telling you the fact what I have expericed in the forums. There are some saying we dont need the Bible and all we need is Jesus. This kind of faith is very apealing to young generation who are trained to be lazy.

good day muz, I am done with this topic with you.

Sincerely.

I appreciate that you may not want to continue with this but I have to get in a parting shot . . . and it is this:

I am not advocating in any way that we don't need the bible as you seem to think I am saying. Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life. HE is the WORD of GOD. Those to whom Christ has shown the Father are in fact living proof of the validity of scripture. This is not about laziness. This is about abiding in the vine (which is Christ) and he in us. Scripture CONFIRMS this.

BUT this walk is not an easy walk. As Paul says, "I die daily." Do you know how difficult that is to die to every craving of the flesh. I am not perfect - nor even a good example but I know that we can only do it as we walk in the Spirit.

Now, I am sure that you have not raised lazy kids. What sort of perspective do they have on the posts we have exchanged? I am not expecting an answer but just leave it to you.

 

[gingercat]

Mutz,

I havent seen any of your solid faith in this forum. You seem to be swimming around everyone. It makes me very suspicous.

Good day.

 

[mutzrein]

I'm with Ginger and anyone else who says that the Holy Spirit is not a person per se. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God - the Spirit of Life.

Now inasmuch as the spirit of man can be referred to in 'first person' my spirit in fact is not a distinctly different person to me. And so it is with the Spirit of God.

 

[mutzrein]

Mutz,

I havent seen any of your solid faith in this forum. You seem to be swimming around everyone. It makes me very suspicous.

Good day.

Thankyou Ginger - it is a good day

Ginger you have been very quick to point out the things that you have been doing for God and I applaud such dedication. Of course you are responsible for the things that you do and likewise, so am I also responsible to the Lord for the gifts that he has given me. My endeavour will always be to attain the prize and to hear my Lord say, "well done"

I think at one stage you may have even agreed with me on certain elements of my walk with God, my trust in Him to supply my needs - perhaps even publicly on this forum. What has changed?

 

[Vic C.]

May I remind some here that:

Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18 (LITV)

 

[John the Baptist]

Is the spirit of the antichrist similar to the Holy Spirit in that it is a separate entity in the antichristhead?

Possibly, but have a different belief. There is talk in the End Times circle of a counterfeit Trinity which consists of Satan, Antichrist (or False Messiah) and False Prophet.

**

John here: There is talk ..?? But, we need scripture! :wink:

The Eccl. verses teach NOTHING NEW! Bigger 'world' crowd, T.V. Satellite, 666? Yet still.. who took over the desolate house of Israel in Matthew 23:38? Compare Revelation 3:9 for where the [last] antichrist will work from. A Christ/less fold requires the power of Cesare. Thereby uniting with her daughters of Revelation 17:5 is required for church & state. (does anyone actually believe that Rome loves her daughters?)

Yet, even in Genesis with Cain, the devil had his first mature convert to be an antichrist devotee (K.J. desire) to work through! How much more antichrist 'work' could there be, than the Ark having only 8 souls saved in it?? But, yes, satan will have an final end time person, and 'fold' united, to call his very own! That is what that the Rev. 3:9 verse said, huh? Yet, I doubt that most know what fold that this is yet?! See Matthew 10:23 & verses 5-6. (Matthew 10:5-6)

 

[thessalonian]

There is a definitive answer from Scripture.

Go and learn what this means,

The Holy Spirit admits of gains and losses in the individual, therefore it cannot be a person.

R7-12

????

If there was a definitive answer then why didn't you definitively post it?

 

[thessalonian]

I started a thread on whether or not the HS is a person since this is off topic and of considerable interest to me.