The Temple in Jerusalem

[Link1983]

I have read or heard that the 70 weeks is a bit more complicated than we might think.
I don't know a good answer tho.
So I would recommend one who has really studied this and I think is legit in most cases.
Chuck Missler..
God bless anyway!

I believe that you are on to something here. Doesn't necessarily mean that you are right on all parts tho.
Very interesting subject indeed.
Daniel and revelation!
I would like to just mention the fact that

God sees a thousand years as a single day...
Something to think about and get humbled by. God is in control. We are most definitely not!
Trust in God and lean not unto your own understanding.
I am learning to..

God bless!

 

[for_his_glory]

You create much smoke to hide the simple fact of (Dan. 9:26-27). It's not difficult.

In the 69th week Messiah is cut off. (9:26)
One week remains for the 70 week fulfillment. (9:24)
That week begins when antichrist confirms the covenant with Israel. (9:27)
3 and 1/2 years later antichrist breaks the covenant and places the abomination in the Temple. (9:27)

In other words, your 3 1/2 Times, 1260 days, 42 months, is the middle of the week. It is the middle of the Tribulation. Just as Daniel said, (9:27), "midst of the week".

Quantrill

You read into those verses a seven year trib period because that is what all those dispensationalist teachers have taught you. Like I said, I use to believe as you do until I started questioning that of what they teach as I could not find it in the scriptures they give as they add to and take away from what has already been written. A pretrib rapture of the church was never taught before 1830 and nowhere is it taught about a seven year trib period after the saints of God are Raptured up.

 

[for_his_glory]

You create much smoke to hide the simple fact of (Dan. 9:26-27). It's not difficult.

In the 69th week Messiah is cut off. (9:26)
One week remains for the 70 week fulfillment. (9:24)
That week begins when antichrist confirms the covenant with Israel. (9:27)
3 and 1/2 years later antichrist breaks the covenant and places the abomination in the Temple. (9:27)

In other words, your 3 1/2 Times, 1260 days, 42 months, is the middle of the week. It is the middle of the Tribulation. Just as Daniel said, (9:27), "midst of the week".

Quantrill

No smoke my friend, just the word of God in it's simple form. You have every right to believe these dispensational preachers who are glad to take your money to line their pockets as they will no longer receive mine.

 

[Corn Pop]

Correct me if wrong again but....has anyone seen the Ark of the Covenant, and the Tablets of the Covenant?. Need them for the temple.

 

[Quantrill]

You read into those verses a seven year trib period because that is what all those dispensationalist teachers have taught you. Like I said, I use to believe as you do until I started questioning that of what they teach as I could not find it in the scriptures they give as they add to and take away from what has already been written. A pretrib rapture of the church was never taught before 1830 and nowhere is it taught about a seven year trib period after the saints of God are Raptured up.

No. A week is 7. The 'midst' of the week is 3 and 1/2.

What are the commentaries you deem worthy? Why are you afraid to name them?

You act like the 3 and 1/2 years are a time independent. They are not. They are part of the 70th week. They are the midst of the one week.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

No smoke my friend, just the word of God in it's simple form. You have every right to believe these dispensational preachers who are glad to take your money to line their pockets as they will no longer receive mine.

Actually, yours is not the simpler form. You must provide much lengthy posts full of information that really doesn't pertain to the argument, so as to hide that your position is fragile. A house of cards.

And, you're afraid to give your source. You're afraid to give the commentaries you deem worthy of your opinion. Why? What are you afraid of?

Smoke.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Correct me if wrong again but....has anyone seen the Ark of the Covenant, and the Tablets of the Covenant?. Need them for the temple.

I don't understand. Tell me what you have seen.

Are you saying that because I have not literally seen the ark then it must not exist? Are you saying that because I have not literally seen the Tablets of stone that they must not exist?

Do you understand what you are saying?

Quantrill

 

[Randy]

Correct me if wrong again but....has anyone seen the Ark of the Covenant, and the Tablets of the Covenant?. Need them for the temple.

Jeremiah 3:16
In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land," declares the LORD, "people will no longer say, 'The ark of the covenant of the LORD.' It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made.

 

[Corn Pop]

I don't understand. Tell me what you have seen.

Are you saying that because I have not literally seen the ark then it must not exist? Are you saying that because I have not literally seen the Tablets of stone that they must not exist?

Do you understand what you are saying?

Quantrill

I just thought there needed to be specific items in the temple to be complete.

 

[Quantrill]

I just thought there needed to be specific items in the temple to be complete.

The Ark was never returned to the Second Temple. And, how much of the original furniture and implements was, is unsure. But, it still served as a Temple for the Jews by God. It was lacking in many ways concerning Solomons Temple. (Ezra 3:12)

And, even though Herod added to it, it was still recognized by Christ. (Matt. 21:13)

Quantrill

 

[JLB]

Therefore we need not look for Christ's 2nd Coming at this time. We need only look for the antichrist and the covenant with Israel and the Temple being built.

Quantrill

We need to look for the signs Jesus gave us, to know and discern the time of His coming and the end of the age, when He returns to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture.

This is what He taught His disciples.


For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4


The Day of the Lord does not come as a thief in the night for His people who are watching for the things He told us would happen.


So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Matthew 24:33


What this did Jesus teach us we would see, before His coming?





JLB

 

[Quantrill]

We need to look for the signs Jesus gave us, to know and discern the time of His coming and the end of the age, when He returns to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture.

This is what He taught His disciples.


For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4


The Day of the Lord does not come as a thief in the night for His people who are watching for the things He told us would happen.


So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Matthew 24:33


What this did Jesus teach us we would see, before His coming?





JLB

That is what I said. Or rather, that is what you are saying. We need not look for the 2nd Coming as, according to you, the Tribulation must take place first.

We just need to look for the antichrist and temple being rebuilt...according to you.

And yes, (1 Thess. 5:2-4) is addressing the 'day of the Lord', which shall not overtake the Christians. Of which he later says in (5:9), "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." And the Tribulation period is a day of wrath.

Concerning (Matt. 24) the Church is not being addressed. It is addressed to those believers alive during the Tribulation. And they are in a time where the 2nd Coming of Christ is next in the prophetic scheme, to occur.

But again, with your view, we just need to look for the antichrist and the temple.

Quantrill

 

[for_his_glory]

Actually, yours is not the simpler form. You must provide much lengthy posts full of information that really doesn't pertain to the argument, so as to hide that your position is fragile. A house of cards.

And, you're afraid to give your source. You're afraid to give the commentaries you deem worthy of your opinion. Why? What are you afraid of?

Smoke.

Quantrill

The commentaries that I used where just bits and pieces I sorted through many years ago that I read, but mainly for the purpose of gathering scriptures to study when I started studying end times. I never listed the websites and usually do not use them anymore other than for research, but yet not conclusive of what others teach. Most of how I study now is by studying scripture, history and the cultures of Biblical eras comparing OT with NT and studying the prophecies that have already been given as I learned to trust no man in what they teach unless it lines up with the full context of scripture.

I am always opened for correction, but only when the Holy Spirit works through others with a greater knowledge than I in certain areas. Because of your rudeness of telling me I am only blowing smoke I will no longer engage in this conversation with you as I have given that of what I understand to be truth, but yet you ignore the scriptures we have been giving you as they seem to come against what man is teaching you in error. You always try to butt heads with me and I will not stoop to that level as I will never ague nor debate, but to only give that of my understanding, so you sir have a good day and will only reply here if need be.

 

[for_his_glory]

Correct me if wrong again but....has anyone seen the Ark of the Covenant, and the Tablets of the Covenant?. Need them for the temple.

God will never allow the Ark of the Covenant to be found.

 

[Quantrill]

The commentaries that I used where just bits and pieces I sorted through many years ago that I read, but mainly for the purpose of gathering scriptures to study when I started studying end times. I never listed the websites and usually do not use them anymore other than for research, but yet not conclusive of what others teach. Most of how I study now is by studying scripture, history and the cultures of Biblical eras comparing OT with NT and studying the prophecies that have already been given as I learned to trust no man in what they teach unless it lines up with the full context of scripture.

I am always opened for correction, but only when the Holy Spirit works through others with a greater knowledge than I in certain areas. Because of your rudeness of telling me I am only blowing smoke I will no longer engage in this conversation with you as I have given that of what I understand to be truth, but yet you ignore the scriptures we have been giving you as they seem to come against what man is teaching you in error. You always try to butt heads with me and I will not stoop to that level as I will never ague nor debate, but to only give that of my understanding, so you sir have a good day and will only reply here if need be.

We all study the Bible. We all say that we are open to correction.

The 'correction' you speak of would entail a rejection of your method of interpretation. Just like you said you rejected Dispensationalism. But rejected it for what? Which you don't say.

And, your method of interpretation is not yours alone. As no ones is. Thus you have the various groups of people who believe a certain way, the same as you. And their commentaries will be those you deem worthy.

I am Dispensational, Premill, Pretrib. I hold to the commonly called 'literal' interpretation of Scripture. Thus commentaries by those who are Amill, have no use for me concerning the prophets. But because the Dispensational uses the literal method of interpretation, and Amill does not, then it affects all aspects of Scripture. So my commentaries are mostly Dispensational.

Quantrill

 

[Corn Pop]

The scripture is spiritual, everyone to there own belief even if they believe a literal snake talked to Eve. All it comes down to is deeper understanding. Some people are deep in scripture understanding, im still drinking milk maybe because im a bit lazy. Just like every believer has the holy spirit but not all are filled with the holy spirit.

 

[Quantrill]

The scripture is spiritual, everyone to there own belief even if they believe a literal snake talked to Eve. All it comes down to is deeper understanding. Some people are deep in scripture understanding, im still drinking milk maybe because im a bit lazy. Just like every believer has the holy spirit but not all are filled with the holy spirit.

Yes, all of Scripture is Spiritual. Every word of it. Both that which is 'literal' and that which is 'symbolic' or 'figurative' is from the Holy Spirit.

But that doesn't settle the problems with the various methods of interpretation. And 'deeper understanding' is not a factor. That may be product. But if one's method of interpretation is flawed, then how can that lead to deeper understanding?

Understanding is what you are after. Your method of interpretation will affect that. See (Nehemiah 8:8)

Quantrill