The things which are... and the things which shall be hereafter...

[Eventide]

the day of the lord is a thousand years and its not a judgment?

Judgment is certainly an aspect of the Day of the LORD... Just read Revelation 4-22 and you'll see all kinds of judgment coming upon this present evil world.

 

[jasoncran]

Judgment is certainly an aspect of the Day of the LORD... Just read Revelation 4-22 and you'll see all kinds of judgment coming upon this present evil world.

wow , you really have a poor exegesis.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

uh if want you see in america is gods wrath when then why does psalms 107 say let the reedeemed of the lord says so? and that was to the hebrews then and they said that. redeem from what? EGYPT! and the gentile nations. meaning they were purchased by YHWH to be his people.

we havent seen his wrath nor has it been on the earth since the time of the prophets. even then there was only one world wide time of wrath where there was judgement and that was the flood and no man was saved. in the millenium men will be saved and yet

4 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse

and that happened in part when the man john the baptist came and we await the final judgment. has God judged men like he did with the men of core?or in the days of noah? we christians are appointed to wrath and to imply the chialism is a judgment then means that there will be christians under it as that day implies no grace given but a judgment.

 

[eddif]

Re: Be not ignorant of this one thing...

Time is a little out of my league. So please bear with my ignorance. I will say what I think and pose a question. Time was established on the fourth day. So, time will end when the stars fall from the celestial heaven (?). I guess I thought the Day of the Lord would be Eternity starting again (?).

In your opinion, what is right and what is wrong with my thoughts?

eddif

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

So I will extend my comments and ask again.

On the 4th day of creation the heavens were made as a huge clock to tell time with. The 5th- 7th were 24 hour days (IMHO). We are still living under the clock (except for when the clock stood still).

When the heavens are burned up the clock no longer exists and time as we know it will not exist. At judgement light will then exist for eternity (?). (light in heaven)

Comments on my thoughts? jason cran-- others?

eddif

 

[Eventide]

wow , you really have a poor exegesis.

Only if you believe that Revelation 4-22 does not apply to the future.

Rev 4-22, (and many other portions of the OT and NT) do apply to the future... the things which shall be hereafter.

 

[Eventide]

Re: Be not ignorant of this one thing...

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


So I will extend my comments and ask again.

On the 4th day of creation the heavens were made as a huge clock to tell time with. The 5th- 7th were 24 hour days (IMHO). We are still living under the clock (except for when the clock stood still).

When the heavens are burned up the clock no longer exists and time as we know it will not exist. At judgement light will then exist for eternity (?). (light in heaven)

Comments on my thoughts? jason cran-- others?

eddif

Rev 20 tells us WHEN the elements are burned up... And that's at the end of the thousand years.

 

[farouk]

The next big event is the Lord Jesus' coming for the church (1 Thess. 4).

 

[Eventide]

A marriage made in heaven...

The next big event is the Lord Jesus' coming for the church (1 Thess. 4).

I agree with that...

And according to the story from Genesis 24, where does Isaac take his bride after they meet ?

We know that the scriptures tell us that we shall meet the LORD in the air... Although where does the bride (church of God) go from there...

I think that Rev 19 shows us that the marriage of the Lamb takes place in heaven...

 

[jasoncran]

so the jews saved in the tribulation aren't his bride?

yet im his bride being just as of isreal as they are. interesting. i feel special knowing somewhere some of my own are less loved by the lord then me.2:oits called a metaphor to explain what the new convenant would be. god married isreal and now that is extended to all that came and his return is likened to the feast when they would announce the groom's coming and he would examine his bride to see if she was worthy to be married.

jews of today and then do this today. here is a picture of the family of mine in such a feast. the center person under the chuppa is my grandfather.

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[Eventide]

so the jews saved in the tribulation aren't his bride?

Jason, one thing at a time...

Right now it would be interesting to discuss WHERE the church of God is taken after meeting the LORD in the air as described in 1 Thess 4.

I think that Genesis 24 answers the question for us..

 

[jasoncran]

Only if you believe that Revelation 4-22 does not apply to the future.

Rev 4-22, (and many other portions of the OT and NT) do apply to the future... the things which shall be hereafter.

uhm no. the apostles didnt teach what schofield teach. that is a fact. they didnt believe in a third temple nor did they teach the chialism with the idea that were any sinners alive. a thousands of blessing is what i could find with a final tempting of satan. isreal in the land.

way different. rome isnt the whore of babylon.,jerusalem and she was just that when christ came. she killed all the saints.

do you take the idea of isreal attacked by men horse back literally or figuratevely. if so then why do you take the idea that the two witness are seen all over the earth?

 

[Eventide]

uhm no.

Oh right, it all happened in 70AD right Jason...

LOL... Now that's good exegesis..

Enjoy that nonsense.

 

[jasoncran]

Oh right, it all happened in 70AD right Jason...

LOL... Now that's good exegesis..

Enjoy that nonsense.

right. so you believe that one of the two witness wont be a hebrew when the two olive trees are an allusion to the nation of isreal one being isreal the the other judah.

enoch wasnt a jew. he was a gentile. he cant be one.show me where in revalation jerusalem is saved? the whore of babylon which isnt a city but a religous system located in jerusalem is destoryed. this means what to you? the death of all jews once again in that city.

let me ask you this. the jews in the trib what to do they believe to be saved?

if the same as us then why do you dare teach that the jews are of the church today?paul said we that are alive at his coming and he taught that the lord is coming for his bride so did jesus and he was saying that TO A MAINLY JEWISH AUDIENCE is isreal. hmm he must didnt consult with schofield.

another problem that is if the lord when we repent doesnt see our sins but the sons blood one would think that means any jew or bunch of them that repent fulfill the prophecy that there would be deliverer out of zion to purge isreal of her sins.
as the "new"isreal is pure and holy.

finally, am i jew now or not since im a christian or does that only apply to modern isreal after the trib.

 

[Eventide]

right..

Well you keep telling yourself that Jason.. all of Rev 4-22 happened in 70 AD..

Yeah, you teach that the resurrection happened already, and the coming of Christ.. and it just doesn't get any more ridiculous than that.

As mentioned, enjoy your nonsense.

 

[Eventide]

making the word of God of none effect...

The pathetic god of preterism is nothing more than a display of its own inablility to 'see' or to 'speak' of any event after 70 AD.. its cancerous teaching also consists of 'saying' that the resurrection is past already.. and it overthrows the faith of some.. not to mention that it turns the living and powerful word of God into a lifeless and static history lesson... ie, just like any other book on earth.

No wonder it overthrows the faith of some... because Paul told us plainly that if in this life only we have hope, then were the most miserable of all men.

This is the fruit and nonsense of preterism.

 

[reba]

keep it pleasant

 

[jasoncran]

Well you keep telling yourself that Jason.. all of Rev 4-22 happened in 70 AD..

Yeah, you teach that the resurrection happened already, and the coming of Christ.. and it just doesn't get any more ridiculous than that.

As mentioned, enjoy your nonsense.

well, lets see here. did it say all? no i mentioned only in parts and or alluded it. if you cant talk and actually listen and rebut my arguments then dont respond like that to me. i know all your argguments and can teach them myself.

im not a preterist like that, sir im a partial preterist if pushes come to shove. i look at what is plain and go from there. the sages taught that the third temple wasnt literal. it was the pharisees and the permutation of modern judiasm from that the teaches the modern version of that.the church teaches nearly the exact same. isreal would be the light unto the nations again and the messiah would be visable.

yes i should bother with ignoring plain texts that say in this ezekiel temple theres a torah being done with daily oblations for repentance? i should ignore where God tells the prophet to tell the elders this is what i will do for you IF you repent?

so forgive me if God led me to my heritage once again and learn from them to grow in the world. I dont have all the answers nor have i ever claimed that. only that i disagree with the dallas theological seminary/schofeild/chafer/van impe ad nausem.

im of isreal, dont deny me what is promised to me if what you say is true. if am to have what all my family once had and im raptured away how is that possible?

 

[Eventide]

well, lets see here. did it say all? no i mentioned only in parts and or alluded it. if you cant talk and actually listen and rebut my arguments then dont respond like that to me. i know all your argguments and can teach them myself.

Typically I can't understand anything that you say... Lol... But here's your big chance.

Tell me what is NOT fulfilled yet and how do you know... Show with scripture please.

 

[jasoncran]

Typically I can't understand anything that you say... Lol... But here's your big chance.

Tell me what is NOT fulfilled yet and how do you know... Show with scripture please.

really so make fun of me and yet dont ask for clarification.

simple define who or what isreal is and when was she saved and then tell me why im not of isreal now as im with the bride. should be easy if you are honest and wanting to see what the bible says.

and these are done. revelation 12:1-5. any mentioning of the two witnesses and also the whore of babylon was judged. the ac came in the form of nero and was judged. yet the beast still exists. there were two comings taught by jesus. one for the judgement of isreal and then for all men. the former has passed that is why i say isreal isnt what is taught today but a nation of jews that come to christ.

any jew saved is now of isreal and the bride. that is what the apostles taught.

 

[Eventide]

really so make fun of me and yet dont ask for clarification.

I think that it is only fair seeing that you consistently mock what I believe... Or are you the only one allowed to do that..?

simple define who or what isreal is and when was she saved and then tell me why im not of isreal now as im with the bride. should be easy if you are honest and wanting to see what the bible says.

The Nation of Israel... Just as it is defined in the scriptures over and over again.. Right now that nation is cut off and blinded in part until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

these are done. revelation 12:1-5.

When Jason ? When was Israel with child and then protected in the wilderness for a time, times, and half a time ?

any mentioning of the two witnesses and also the whore of babylon was judged. the ac came in the form of nero and was judged. yet the beast still exists. there were two comings taught by jesus. one for the judgement of isreal and then for all men. the former has passed that is why i say isreal isnt what is taught today but a nation of jews that come to christ.

So in your opinion Jesus comes three times ?

 

[Eventide]

These are done. revelation 12:1-5.

What about the rest of the Revelation... You tell me that 5 verses are fulfilled..?

What about the rest of it..