The true teachings of Jesus

[keiw1]

Again, this doesn't make sense. God's name is YHWH, which is Hebrew, but the NT was written in Greek. In the Greek, where it quotes the OT where God's name is used, his name is kurios, which is "Lord." As I stated previously, that is also how it is translated in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the OT from before Jesus was born.

The NWT erroneously adds the name "Jehovah" to the NT. Are you going to address the fact that the KIT correctly has "Lord" where the NWT falsely has "Jehovah"?


Rev 17:14 These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so. (NWT)

Rev 19:16 On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (NWT)

Both of these verses are talking about Jesus and say that he is the King of kings and Lord of lords.


Of course. That is what I have been saying--his name is YHWH, in Hebrew. It is unpronounceable and there is no direct translation into another language, so English translations use LORD, Yahweh, and Jehovah. No version of the Bible, that I am aware of, has changed anything to do with God's name.

Lord is a title, not a name. Yes after Jesus received his crown-here at Rev 6 he is king of kings and Lord of Lords. Yhwh was called those things in the OT.
Jerome who translated from originals told the Pope Gods name belongs in the NT. I do not know if it was allowed in his latin Vulgate or not. I cant read Latin. Every spot in NT where OT is quoted and the name belongs in the OT it belongs in the NT.
Like at Acts 2:21--all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved--but its a quote of Joel 2:21-22-All who call on the name of YHWH will be saved, Luke even mentions Joel at verse Acts 2:16 proving its the quote-- But the mislead because of the removal of Gods name will call on Jesus as Lord mentioned, but in reality it is YHWH one needs to call on.
YHWH = Jehovah.

 

[jaybo]

It does make sense. Catholicism held 5 councils because they didnt know truth. Many untruths came to be their truth from those councils, the trinity came out of those councils. Obviously not lead by holy spirit but by Jesus' adversary spirit. As well let pagan false god worship practices into both celebrations to Jesus. The encyclopedias are filled with the facts about that occurrence. Yet you will not believe they altered certain verses to fit their false teachings, even though still their own translating exposes them as false religion. Its why the protestants ran. But could not fix most of it because truthful knowledge wasnt so easy to come by back then as it is today.
As well changing to other languages had its toll on truth as well. It took holy spirit guiding translators to fix the errors.

You are making absolutely no sense. You believe entirely false information and won't pay attention to the truth. I'm ignoring you from now on.

 

[Free]

Every spot in NT where OT is quoted and the name belongs in the OT it belongs in the NT.

Incorrect. In the NT it should always be translated according to the Greek manuscripts. Yes, it still is referring to YHWH, but that is the whole point--the name YHWH is being applied to Jesus in some way.

Like at Acts 2:21--all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved--but its a quote of Joel 2:21-22-All who call on the name of YHWH will be saved, Luke even mentions Joel at verse Acts 2:16 proving its the quote-- But the mislead because of the removal of Gods name will call on Jesus as Lord mentioned, but in reality it is YHWH one needs to call on.
YHWH = Jehovah.

I'm not arguing that Luke quotes Joel; that is not at all the point, since I agree. There is no removal of God's name since the NT was written in Greek and it uses 'kurios,' which is 'Lord.' It never uses YHWH, even in quotes of the OT, because that is Hebrew. But the obvious point, which you keep missing or dismissing, is that regardless of whether Romans 10:13 says "Lord" or (incorrectly) "Jehovah," the meaning is YHWH, and calling on his name is necessary for salvation. And that is being paralleled with confessing "Jesus is Lord" as necessary for salvation. Paul's point is that confessing Jesus is Lord is the same as calling on the name of YHWH.

 

[keiw1]

You are making absolutely no sense. You believe entirely false information and won't pay attention to the truth. I'm ignoring you from now on.

My words are fact. I have studied facts of God worship history, religions, etc since 1961.

 

[keiw1]

Incorrect. In the NT it should always be translated according to the Greek manuscripts. Yes, it still is referring to YHWH, but that is the whole point--the name YHWH is being applied to Jesus in some way.


I'm not arguing that Luke quotes Joel; that is not at all the point, since I agree. There is no removal of God's name since the NT was written in Greek and it uses 'kurios,' which is 'Lord.' It never uses YHWH, even in quotes of the OT, because that is Hebrew. But the obvious point, which you keep missing or dismissing, is that regardless of whether Romans 10:13 says "Lord" or (incorrectly) "Jehovah," the meaning is YHWH, and calling on his name is necessary for salvation. And that is being paralleled with confessing "Jesus is Lord" as necessary for salvation. Paul's point is that confessing Jesus is Lord is the same as calling on the name of YHWH.

It uses Kurios because men by satans will put LORD in the OT in place of Gods name that he put in there. The tetragramoton=YHWH belongs in every spot of OT where GOD or LORD is all capitols( almost 6800 spots). Thus YHWH belongs at Joel and at Acts. Even Jerome before he translated to Latin told the Pope Gods name belongs in the NT, because it does.

 

[Free]

It uses Kurios because men by satans will put LORD in the OT in place of Gods name that he put in there. The tetragramoton=YHWH belongs in every spot of OT where GOD or LORD is all capitols( almost 6800 spots).

If that was Satan’s will, then “Jehovah” in place of YHWH is also Satan’s will. The use of “LORD” in many translations is the equivalent of the NWT’s use of “Jehovah.”

Thus YHWH belongs at Joel and at Acts.

No. Please “listen” carefully. It has absolutely nothing to do with replacing God’s name. The NT was written in Greek, not Hebrew. The Greek manuscripts have kurios, which is Greek for “Lord.” I have proven this even with the KIT, but you keep ignoring that fact. The error in translating kurios as “Jehovah” lies with the NWT.

Pleas explain the Watchtower’s contradiction between the KIT and the NWT.

 

[Free]

My words are fact. I have studied facts of God worship history, religions, etc since 1961.

You have likely studied too much using Watchtower materials, which is why many of your “facts” have been proven false. Even the Watchtower materials contradict themselves, yet you ignore these contradictions and keep posting the same errors. You really need to study without using Watchtower materials and learn to think for yourself about what the Bible actually says.

 

[The Gallant Saint]

Acts 24:5--the pharisees saw the new religion begin.
Yes being saved is a gift, yet the mortal must do many things to get that gift because they still are sinners. Yes the new covenant Jesus brought is LOVE. The law would be written on hearts like that the bible says. That means, those who have the love Jesus spoke of , those hearts wouldnt even consider stealing from their brothers, murdering their brothers, committing adultery on ones mate, having another God before their face, etc, etc. They would not return evil for evil, yet the majority of hearts have pre meditated return evil for evil on their hearts. Like what was done to bin Laden Hussein, etc--To Jesus they are our neighbors that he spoke of. The same love given to family and friends must be given to ones like that as well. The bible says--If your enemy is hungry-feed him, if thirsty give him a drink. Same as one would do to a family or friend. Yet all are told that doing the opposite is ok by the false religious leaders and govts of men. How many cheered in the usa when Bin laden was killed? How many of them think they are christian and have the love Jesus spoke of? Actions prove it all.
Heb 8:12 is speaking of repented sin( Acts2:22) because at Hebrews 10:26 it assures if one practices a sin there is no sacrafice left for them.

May I lovingly correct you on what you wrote "Yes the new covenant Jesus brought is LOVE". Jesus' teaching on love is not new. It is part of the Torah. It is the Torah.

The first greatest Commandment is "you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength" - Deut 6:5.

The second greatest Commandment is "You shall not take vengeance, nor hold any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am YHWH". - Lev 19:18.

All of His teachings stem from these two, for Jesus said "for the whole Law and the prophets hang on these".

 

[jaybo]

You have likely studied too much using Watchtower materials, which is why many of your “facts” have been proven false. Even the Watchtower materials contradict themselves, yet you ignore these contradictions and keep posting the same errors. You really need to study without using Watchtower materials and learn to think for yourself about what the Bible actually says.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult. You are wasting your time trying to convince keiw1 or any other cult member that they are wrong. By no means does this mean you shouldn't try, but brainwashing is a hard disease to overcome.

 

[keiw1]

If that was Satan’s will, then “Jehovah” in place of YHWH is also Satan’s will. The use of “LORD” in many translations is the equivalent of the NWT’s use of “Jehovah.”


No. Please “listen” carefully. It has absolutely nothing to do with replacing God’s name. The NT was written in Greek, not Hebrew. The Greek manuscripts have kurios, which is Greek for “Lord.” I have proven this even with the KIT, but you keep ignoring that fact. The error in translating kurios as “Jehovah” lies with the NWT.

Pleas explain the Watchtower’s contradiction between the KIT and the NWT.

Actually YHVH is Jehovah. So you are wrong. They arent sure if YHWH or YHVH is correct. The fact is God put his name in his bible because he wants it there.

 

[keiw1]

You have likely studied too much using Watchtower materials, which is why many of your “facts” have been proven false. Even the Watchtower materials contradict themselves, yet you ignore these contradictions and keep posting the same errors. You really need to study without using Watchtower materials and learn to think for yourself about what the Bible actually says.

I attended different trinity religions and learned from the JW,s. The trinity religions taught a lot of dogma and little of what Jesus actually teaches, its what those teachers get paid to do. There is 0 doubt in all creation, the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers. That is what counts.

 

[keiw1]

May I lovingly correct you on what you wrote "Yes the new covenant Jesus brought is LOVE". Jesus' teaching on love is not new. It is part of the Torah. It is the Torah.

The first greatest Commandment is "you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength" - Deut 6:5.

The second greatest Commandment is "You shall not take vengeance, nor hold any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am YHWH". - Lev 19:18.

All of His teachings stem from these two, for Jesus said "for the whole Law and the prophets hang on these".

It may be part of the Torah, but was seriously lacking in the spiritual teachers of Israel in Jesus day. They were apostocised and still are. They have refused to do Matthew 23:39 for over 1950 years. LORD doesn't belong in the Torah, why is it there? The tetragramoton= YHWH belongs there.

 

[The Gallant Saint]

It may be part of the Torah, but was seriously lacking in the spiritual teachers of Israel in Jesus day. They were apostocised and still are. They have refused to do Matthew 23:39 for over 1950 years. LORD doesn't belong in the Torah, why is it there? The tetragramoton= YHWH belongs there.

You are 100% correct. The Pharisees and the religious authorities were (and many still are) big hypocrites. In the parable of the Good Samaritan, it was a priest and a Levite who first saw the beaten up man dying by the side of the road, but they chose to cross to the other side. The preceding verses in Luke 10 are thus:

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

And then Jesus started telling the story of the Good Samaritan.

The Jew were taught that merely saying the name YHWH (however it is pronounced) is blasphemy. This of course, is not true, but it's basically superstition.

 

[Free]

Actually YHVH is Jehovah. So you are wrong. They arent sure if YHWH or YHVH is correct. The fact is God put his name in his bible because he wants it there.

YHWH is YHWH; that is God's name and it's pronunciation is unknown. As I've stated, YHWH is Hebrew and so is found in the Hebrew manuscripts of the OT, which underlie all Bible translations. When the Greek Septuagint was made, kurios ("Lord") was used in place of YHWH. When English translations of the OT were and are made, usually "LORD" is used (ESV, NIV, NAS, HCSB, KJV), but some versions used "Jehovah" (ASV, YLT, LITV) and others, "Yahweh" (LEB).

Which English word is used is irrelevant since God's name is the Hebrew YHWH and it does not translate directly into English, or any other language. That is the issue. Anyone who knows more than one language, even just a bit of a second language, understands that problem. Depending on the languages, very little translates directly from one language to another. This especially is a problem when talk about ancient languages such as ancient Hebrew and koine Greek, and then translating into a modern language such as English.

God's name is in every Bible version I listed above because it is in the Hebrew text underlying each English translation. That "God put his name in his bible because he wants it there" has never been a part of this discussion, because that is something we all agree on.

I attended different trinity religions and learned from the JW,s. The trinity religions taught a lot of dogma and little of what Jesus actually teaches, its what those teachers get paid to do. There is 0 doubt in all creation, the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers. That is what counts.

I have studied the teachings of the Watchtower for many years and I can say without any doubt whatsoever, that many of the Watchtower teachings are false, that they are not what Christ nor the Apostles taught, that the JWs sect is not Christian. It is very telling that I have pointed out contradictions between the KIT (which supports what I've said) and the NWT, but you have completely ignored those significant problems. Your "0 doubt" is because you ignore the problems and contradictions. You are being lied to by the Watchtower and JW organization.

That pastors get paid is because Paul says it's okay to get paid. It's their job and they have every right to get paid for studying the Bible and preaching.

 

[jaybo]

YHWH is YHWH; that is God's name and it's pronunciation is unknown. As I've stated, YHWH is Hebrew and so is found in the Hebrew manuscripts of the OT, which underlie all Bible translations. When the Greek Septuagint was made, kurios ("Lord") was used in place of YHWH. When English translations of the OT were and are made, usually "LORD" is used (ESV, NIV, NAS, HCSB, KJV), but some versions used "Jehovah" (ASV, YLT, LITV) and others, "Yahweh" (LEB).

Which English word is used is irrelevant since God's name is the Hebrew YHWH and it does not translate directly into English, or any other language. That is the issue. Anyone who knows more than one language, even just a bit of a second language, understands that problem. Depending on the languages, very little translates directly from one language to another. This especially is a problem when talk about ancient languages such as ancient Hebrew and koine Greek, and then translating into a modern language such as English.

God's name is in every Bible version I listed above because it is in the Hebrew text underlying each English translation. That "God put his name in his bible because he wants it there" has never been a part of this discussion, because that is something we all agree on.


I have studied the teachings of the Watchtower for many years and I can say without any doubt whatsoever, that many of the Watchtower teachings are false, that they are not what Christ nor the Apostles taught, that the JWs sect is not Christian. It is very telling that I have pointed out contradictions between the KIT (which supports what I've said) and the NWT, but you have completely ignored those significant problems. Your "0 doubt" is because you ignore the problems and contradictions. You are being lied to by the Watchtower and JW organization.

That pastors get paid is because Paul says it's okay to get paid. It's their job and they have every right to get paid for studying the Bible and preaching.

Great post!

 

[keiw1]

You are 100% correct. The Pharisees and the religious authorities were (and many still are) big hypocrites. In the parable of the Good Samaritan, it was a priest and a Levite who first saw the beaten up man dying by the side of the road, but they chose to cross to the other side. The preceding verses in Luke 10 are thus:

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

And then Jesus started telling the story of the Good Samaritan.

The Jew were taught that merely saying the name YHWH (however it is pronounced) is blasphemy. This of course, is not true, but it's basically superstition.

Yes YHWH doesnt want his name used in vain. The fact of that is--The righteous dont use that name in vain, its those that God sees as wicked who use it in vain. But YHWH himself inspired his name in nearly 7000 places in his written word because he wants it there.
Whomever of the Jews who thought that saying his name was blaspemy should have studied Gods word better-1Kings 8:43--Solomon said Yhwhs name should be known by all--It has to be used to be known. And Jesus promised to keep on making his God and Fathers name known( John 17:26)-- because God wants his name known and used, just not in vain. Only the wicked need fear the name-YHWH(Jehovah) in a morbid sense.

 

[keiw1]

YHWH is YHWH; that is God's name and it's pronunciation is unknown. As I've stated, YHWH is Hebrew and so is found in the Hebrew manuscripts of the OT, which underlie all Bible translations. When the Greek Septuagint was made, kurios ("Lord") was used in place of YHWH. When English translations of the OT were and are made, usually "LORD" is used (ESV, NIV, NAS, HCSB, KJV), but some versions used "Jehovah" (ASV, YLT, LITV) and others, "Yahweh" (LEB).

Which English word is used is irrelevant since God's name is the Hebrew YHWH and it does not translate directly into English, or any other language. That is the issue. Anyone who knows more than one language, even just a bit of a second language, understands that problem. Depending on the languages, very little translates directly from one language to another. This especially is a problem when talk about ancient languages such as ancient Hebrew and koine Greek, and then translating into a modern language such as English.

God's name is in every Bible version I listed above because it is in the Hebrew text underlying each English translation. That "God put his name in his bible because he wants it there" has never been a part of this discussion, because that is something we all agree on.


I have studied the teachings of the Watchtower for many years and I can say without any doubt whatsoever, that many of the Watchtower teachings are false, that they are not what Christ nor the Apostles taught, that the JWs sect is not Christian. It is very telling that I have pointed out contradictions between the KIT (which supports what I've said) and the NWT, but you have completely ignored those significant problems. Your "0 doubt" is because you ignore the problems and contradictions. You are being lied to by the Watchtower and JW organization.

That pastors get paid is because Paul says it's okay to get paid. It's their job and they have every right to get paid for studying the Bible and preaching.

I have studied both sides since since 1961, i carefully studied Jesus. Its you who must not know what Jesus teaches to reason like you do. There is 0 doubt in all creation, Jesus teachings back the JW teachers. In every translation on earth=0 doubt.

 

[Free]

I have studied both sides since since 1961, i carefully studied Jesus. Its you who must not know what Jesus teaches to reason like you do. There is 0 doubt in all creation, Jesus teachings back the JW teachers. In every translation on earth=0 doubt.

Why then do you keep ignoring the contradictions in Watchtower materials that I have pointed out several times? The Watchtower is lying to you.

 

[keiw1]

Why then do you keep ignoring the contradictions in Watchtower materials that I have pointed out several times? The Watchtower is lying to you.

They have made corrections through the years. Proving truth is what they are about.
Your religions throw away facts and what Jesus teaches to teach the errors over truth in your translations.

 

[Free]

They have made corrections through the years. Proving truth is what they are about.
Your religions throw away facts and what Jesus teaches to teach the errors over truth in your translations.

Well, let's look at that. Here is what I posted previously about Heb 1:8-12:

‘8 But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.” 10 And: “You at [the] beginning, O Lord, laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands. 11 They themselves will perish, but you yourself are to remain continually; and just like an outer garment they will all grow old, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as an outer garment; and they will be changed, but you are the same, and your years will never run out.’ (NWT)

Compare:

Psalm 102:25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth itself, And the heavens are the work of your hands. 26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. 27 But you are the same, and your years will never end. 28 The children of your servants will dwell securely, And their offspring will be firmly established before you.” (NWT)

Notice that Heb 1:8 says God is saying this “with reference to the Son,” yet, as you said, in Psalm 102 it is speaking of Jehovah. So, is the writer of Hebrews wrong? How do you explain a passage in Psalms that is clearly speaking about God, being clearly applied to Jesus by God in Hebrews?

You responded that in verse 10, it is speaking of Jehovah.

However, as I responded, while Hebrews 1:10-12 is quoting Psalms 102:25-27, the reason it is being quoted is important. And that reason is given in Hebrews 1:8--it is God, the Father, speaking "in reference to the Son" or, as the NWT Study Edition puts it, "But about the Son, he says." The "And" that begins verse 10 refers back to verse 8, specifically about whom God is speaking--"the Son." In other words, God is saying that it is the Son being spoken of as the Creator. It is God applying the work of Jehovah to the Son. That is, even the NWT says that Jesus is Jehovah.

You have yet to adequately address this contradiction in your beliefs and the NWT. Why is it that the NWT both denies and affirms that Jesus is Jehovah, or at least is one with Jehovah?