The true teachings of Jesus

[for_his_glory]

Your John is altered by catholicism translating. Even in there own translating =the Greek Lexicons--The true God is called HoTheos in the second line=The God, plain Theos is in the last line. clearly to show a difference of what is being said-plain Theos = a god when HoTheos is used in the same paragraph.

But what you are missing is that HoTheos, which does mean God the Father, is used in many instances in scripture like John 1:1, but not in all instances where it refers to Jesus as being a part of the Godhead.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Both verses HoTheos as being the word of God and the word made flesh as in Jesus being HoTheos.

 

[keiw1]

Are you okay?

Romans 10:8-10, "But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we preach), because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation."

Joel 2:21-22,
"Do not fear, my land.
Rejoice and be glad,
because the Lord has accomplished great things!
Do not fear, wild animals.
For the pastures of the wilderness are again green with grass.
Indeed, the trees bear their fruit;
the fig tree and the vine yield to their fullest."

Joel 2:31-32 says...
"The sunlight will be turned to darkness
and the moon to the color of blood,
before the day of the Lord comes—
that great and terrible day!
It will so happen that
everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be delivered.
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who survive,
just as the Lord has promised;
the remnant will be those whom the Lord will call.
It will so happen that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be delivered."

What is the point of your post?

Romans is speaking of the real Jesus, but there are under lying other teachings that go along with that. Because at Matt 7:22-23-to those who think they are christian, and told they are christian- These confess Jesus as Lord and know 100% he was raised from the dead, but will hear those words from Jesus as judgement. Proving some teachings have other truths one must combine to make a whole truth.

 

[keiw1]

AND I showed you Jesus is called Ho Theos by Thomas, and not rebuked.

In fact, those who believe Jesus is Ho Theos "without seeing" are "blessed":

Καὶ ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς, καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ, Ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου. (Jn. 20:28 BYZ)
And Thomas answered and said unto him, THE Lord of me and THE GOD of me.


Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (Jn. 20:29 KJV)


So Orthodox Trinitarians are "blessed" for believing Jesus is Ho Theos!

What is the opposite of being blessed by the Son of the Living God?

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (Jn. 8:24 KJV)

I say Thomas looked to the sky when he said My God. If you combine 1 Cor 8:6--Paul showed truth-One God to all the Father, one Lord-Jesus--showing your error in thinking what it is saying but is not. The bible does not contradict itself. Trinity translations are filled with contradictions. True followers do not contradict one another-1 Cor 1:10= Unity of thought. no division.

 

[keiw1]

I'm not Catholic nor am I affiliated with any church at the moment. You just choose to neglect all the scriptures I gave you to read about Jesus also being coequal to God as part of the Godhead.

It's the false teachings and false Bible of the Watchtower that are deceiving you.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are not allowed to salute the flag of any nation, recite the pledge of allegiance, stand for or sing the national anthem, run for public office, vote, or serve in the armed forces.

Try believing that which is written that is separate from the Watchtower teachings.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Please do not think that we are coming against you, but trying to show you how deceptive the Watchtower society is in leading you to believe the lies of Satan. Many, including my own sister, have discovered how evil this society is and have left to seek truth.

Jesus' truth' answers the errors-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- God does not have a God. Jesus pointed all to worship his Father-John 4:22-24

 

[keiw1]

But what you are missing is that HoTheos, which does mean God the Father, is used in many instances in scripture like John 1:1, but not in all instances where it refers to Jesus as being a part of the Godhead.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Both verses HoTheos as being the word of God and the word made flesh as in Jesus being HoTheos.

No in the Greek Lexicons- John 1:1= In the beginning the Logos( word) was, And the Logos was with Ho Theos( The God) and the Logos was Theos--- not Ho Theos. showing the Logos was not being called The God. Its the same rule at 2 Cor 4:4-- Satan is called Theos of this system of things and God is called Ho Theos( The God)-- its the whole reason Ho Theos is there in both spots for the true God-thus small g god is correct at both spots for plain Theos. The trinity scholars know its fact. Billions would be lost each year to say truth, 2 billion very angry humans for being deceived would probably sue to get all their $$$ back on top of it. They cant afford to say truth.

And if the Logos is God, then in plain English the second line at John 1:1 reads--And God was with God= impossible.

 

[for_his_glory]

No actually in your altered translations you have LORD and Lord at Joel and the 2 spots in NT where its quoted. YHWH belongs at all 3 spots in real translating. Now you see with Gods name removed by satans will it misleads one into untruth. Thus one cannot accomplish this-John 4:22-24. All using altered translations are supporting satans will over Gods will. God put his name in 7000 places-OT-NT because he wants it there.

Do you even know that the Watchtower has written their own version of the Bible adding to, taking away and twisting words that gives a verse a different meaning. My sister showed me many of them. Here is one example below.

KJV
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Now look at their translation in the wording making Jesus born of a man (father) as he was full of favor and truth.
KJV -Father JW - father in the wording.

JW Bible The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
John 1:14 So the word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of favor and truth.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus' truth' answers the errors-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- God does not have a God. Jesus pointed all to worship his Father-John 4:22-24

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Who do you think this is talking about as it is not God that is coming back.

 

[keiw1]

Do you even know that the Watchtower has written their own version of the Bible adding to, taking away and twisting words that gives a verse a different meaning. My sister showed me many of them. Here is one example below.

KJV
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Now look at their translation in the wording making Jesus born of a man (father) as he was full of favor and truth.
KJV -Father JW - father in the wording.

JW Bible The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
John 1:14 So the word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of favor and truth.

Yes the NWT, the only translators to stand up for Gods will by putting his name back, out of Love and respect for him. The rest using altered translations condemned the NWT translation for that= darkness. Why would they condemn Gods will. Because with the name back in where it belongs, exposes them as false religions. They live in darkness and teach darkness to support satans will over Gods will.

 

[keiw1]

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Who do you think this is talking about as it is not God that is coming back.

Its God who does it all through Jesus. So in that way he is coming. Its Gods day of anger that will be carried out by Jesus at Armageddon.

 

[gordon777]

Its God who does it all through Jesus. So in that way he is coming. Its Gods day of anger that will be carried out by Jesus at Armageddon.

The Son of God and God the Father are ONE, and one does not do something through someone else, so in every way God is coming as Jesus Christ is God.

Jesus is also testified the same as the father to have no beginning of days nor end of life, AND, it was proven on earth, Jesus Christ was not POSSIBLE TO BE HELD IN DEATH.

To hear the voice of the Son of God IS TO HEAR THE VOICE OF LIFE.





Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

 

[jaybo]

No actually in your altered translations you have LORD and Lord at Joel and the 2 spots in NT where its quoted. YHWH belongs at all 3 spots in real translating. Now you see with Gods name removed by satans will it misleads one into untruth. Thus one cannot accomplish this-John 4:22-24. All using altered translations are supporting satans will over Gods will. God put his name in 7000 places-OT-NT because he wants it there.

What "altered translations" are you referring to?

 

[jaybo]

Yes the NWT, the only translators to stand up for Gods will by putting his name back, out of Love and respect for him. The rest using altered translations condemned the NWT translation for that= darkness. Why would they condemn Gods will. Because with the name back in where it belongs, exposes them as false religions. They live in darkness and teach darkness to support satans will over Gods will.

If you think the New World Translation is accurate, even moderately so, you are deceived.

 

[gordon777]

Deceivers are deceiving and being deceived, who thinks they are not deceived, is the most deceived.



2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Free]

No actually in your altered translations you have LORD and Lord at Joel and the 2 spots in NT where its quoted. YHWH belongs at all 3 spots in real translating.

So, YHWH belongs in Joel 2:32, Romans 10:13, and Heb 1:10? I agree that in Joel and Romans YHWH is mentioned, and in Heb he is referred to. However, I quoted from the NWT which doesn't have YHWH in either of the NT verses. Yes, it says "Jehovah" in Romans 10:13, but that doesn't actually appear in the Greek. Here is what the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures states:

Πᾶς γὰρ ὃς ἂν ἐπικαλέσηται τὸ ὄνομα Κυρίου σωθήσεται.
everyone for who likely might call upon the name of Lord will be saved.

You can look for yourself: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/int/45/10#study=discover

I told you that this one was somewhat tricky and needed a bit more study. That is because the NWT erroneously translates kurios, Lord, as Jehovah. Yes, it is a quote from Joel which uses YHWH, but kurios is the Greek word used, because the NT was written in Greek. Interestingly, if you look at the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the OT, it also uses kurios in place of YHWH.

This is at least the second time I've shown that the NWT is incorrect, using the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures. Why is it that the Watchtower's own interlinear translation contradicts their own translation of the Bible? Someone is lying to you and it isn't me.

With the NWT, my point about Romans 10:13 doesn't change. It should make the point all the more clear for you--that to confess the name of Jesus for salvation is the same as calling on the name of Jehovah for salvation.

Now you see with Gods name removed by satans will it misleads one into untruth.

On the contrary, you've just confirmed the very point I was making: the NT uses OT passages of YHWH and applies them to Jesus. Additionally, you've also just confirmed (according to your view) that the NWT has removed God's name and is, therefore, corrupted by Satan.

Thus one cannot accomplish this-John 4:22-24. All using altered translations are supporting satans will over Gods will. God put his name in 7000 places-OT-NT because he wants it there.

With all due respect, you don't understand how translation works. God's name is YHWH in the OT because it was written in Hebrew and that is what he says his name is. Greek translations of the OT use kurios and English uses Jehovah, Yahweh, or LORD. In English, it is irrelevant whether we use Jehovah, Yahweh, or LORD because we know that his name is YHWH. So, if you want to continue to argue that the use of "LORD" removes God's name (which it doesn't), then to be consistent, you must argue that the NWT removes God's name by using "Jehovah," and so is also supporting Satan's will over God's will.

 

[jaybo]

So, YHWH belongs in Joel 2:32, Romans 10:13, and Heb 1:10? I agree that in Joel and Romans YHWH is mentioned, and in Heb he is referred to. However, I quoted from the NWT which doesn't have YHWH in either of the NT verses. Yes, it says "Jehovah" in Romans 10:13, but that doesn't actually appear in the Greek. Here is what the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures states:

Πᾶς γὰρ ὃς ἂν ἐπικαλέσηται τὸ ὄνομα Κυρίου σωθήσεται.
everyone for who likely might call upon the name of Lord will be saved.

You can look for yourself: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/int/45/10#study=discover

I told you that this one was somewhat tricky and needed a bit more study. That is because the NWT erroneously translates kurios, Lord, as Jehovah. Yes, it is a quote from Joel which uses YHWH, but kurios is the Greek word used, because the NT was written in Greek. Interestingly, if you look at the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the OT, it also uses kurios in place of YHWH.

This is at least the second time I've shown that the NWT is incorrect, using the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures. Why is it that the Watchtower's own interlinear translation contradicts their own translation of the Bible? Someone is lying to you and it isn't me.

With the NWT, my point about Romans 10:13 doesn't change. It should make the point all the more clear for you--that to confess the name of Jesus for salvation is the same as calling on the name of Jehovah for salvation.


On the contrary, you've just confirmed the very point I was making: the NT uses OT passages of YHWH and applies them to Jesus. Additionally, you've also just confirmed (according to your view) that the NWT has removed God's name and is, therefore, corrupted by Satan.


With all due respect, you don't understand how translation works. God's name is YHWH in the OT because it was written in Hebrew and that is what he says his name is. Greek translations of the OT use kurios and English uses Jehovah, Yahweh, or LORD. In English, it is irrelevant whether we use Jehovah, Yahweh, or LORD because we know that his name is YHWH. So, if you want to continue to argue that the use of "LORD" removes God's name (which it doesn't), then to be consistent, you must argue that the NWT removes God's name by using "Jehovah," and so is also supporting Satan's will over God's will.

"YHWH" is the the tetragrammaton. It is symbolic of God's name, but it is so sacred to the Jews as to never be spoken. It is not God's name as we think of someone's name in English. "Jehovah" is blasphemy.

Exodus 3:13-14, "Moses said to God, “If I go to the Israelites and tell them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’—what should I say to them?”

14 God said to Moses, “I AM that I AM.” And he said, “You must say this to the Israelites, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Notice that He did not say "my name is Jehovah" or anything remotely like that.

 

[jaybo]

Romans is speaking of the real Jesus, but there are under lying other teachings that go along with that. Because at Matt 7:22-23-to those who think they are christian, and told they are christian- These confess Jesus as Lord and know 100% he was raised from the dead, but will hear those words from Jesus as judgement. Proving some teachings have other truths one must combine to make a whole truth.

Correction: "proving some teachings have other truths one must combine to make a whole truth" is sophistry. (And poor English.)

 

[keiw1]

The Son of God and God the Father are ONE, and one does not do something through someone else, so in every way God is coming as Jesus Christ is God.

Jesus is also testified the same as the father to have no beginning of days nor end of life, AND, it was proven on earth, Jesus Christ was not POSSIBLE TO BE HELD IN DEATH.

To hear the voice of the Son of God IS TO HEAR THE VOICE OF LIFE.





Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

They are one in purpose, as the true followers are as well. All those who are Gods live to do his will over their own, including Jesus-John 5:30--Matt 7:21.

 

[keiw1]

What "altered translations" are you referring to?

Every translation that has Gods name removed in the 7000 places. All of them done from Catholicism translating who altered many verses to fit false council teachings. Like 1John 5:7 was one of them. They put Father, son, and holy spirit were the 3 witness bearers. But they let the JW leaders into their archives back in the 60,s or 70,s and they came out with proof 1 John 5:7 had- The spirit, water and blood are the 3 witness bearers. Many translations put that in their translations after it was proved. Jesus was never with Catholicism, his adversary was. Many untruths came from those councils held. Its fact-No trinity was served until after 381 ce when catholicism added it as God. God did not change, Catholicism changed him to mislead all those using the altered translations to not enter Gods kingdom.

 

[keiw1]

If you think the New World Translation is accurate, even moderately so, you are deceived.

I put my eternal life into their translating. All other translating is by Catholicism. When the protestants translated only Catholicism translating remained. Their own translating proves 100% they are false religion. Its why the protestants ran. But had no clue to the alterations to fit false council teachings.

 

[keiw1]

So, YHWH belongs in Joel 2:32, Romans 10:13, and Heb 1:10? I agree that in Joel and Romans YHWH is mentioned, and in Heb he is referred to. However, I quoted from the NWT which doesn't have YHWH in either of the NT verses. Yes, it says "Jehovah" in Romans 10:13, but that doesn't actually appear in the Greek. Here is what the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures states:

Πᾶς γὰρ ὃς ἂν ἐπικαλέσηται τὸ ὄνομα Κυρίου σωθήσεται.
everyone for who likely might call upon the name of Lord will be saved.

You can look for yourself: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/int/45/10#study=discover

I told you that this one was somewhat tricky and needed a bit more study. That is because the NWT erroneously translates kurios, Lord, as Jehovah. Yes, it is a quote from Joel which uses YHWH, but kurios is the Greek word used, because the NT was written in Greek. Interestingly, if you look at the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the OT, it also uses kurios in place of YHWH.

This is at least the second time I've shown that the NWT is incorrect, using the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures. Why is it that the Watchtower's own interlinear translation contradicts their own translation of the Bible? Someone is lying to you and it isn't me.

With the NWT, my point about Romans 10:13 doesn't change. It should make the point all the more clear for you--that to confess the name of Jesus for salvation is the same as calling on the name of Jehovah for salvation.


On the contrary, you've just confirmed the very point I was making: the NT uses OT passages of YHWH and applies them to Jesus. Additionally, you've also just confirmed (according to your view) that the NWT has removed God's name and is, therefore, corrupted by Satan.


With all due respect, you don't understand how translation works. God's name is YHWH in the OT because it was written in Hebrew and that is what he says his name is. Greek translations of the OT use kurios and English uses Jehovah, Yahweh, or LORD. In English, it is irrelevant whether we use Jehovah, Yahweh, or LORD because we know that his name is YHWH. So, if you want to continue to argue that the use of "LORD" removes God's name (which it doesn't), then to be consistent, you must argue that the NWT removes God's name by using "Jehovah," and so is also supporting Satan's will over God's will.

YHWH is Jehovah.
Acts 2:21 is the other spot quoting Joel. Luke mentions Joel in verse 16