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The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions.

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Jacob62

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John 14:28, "For my Father is greater than I."

This statement does not indicate any sort of a Trinity, but rather shows a hierarchy. The Father, The Begotten Son Yeshua, and The Holy Spirit are indeed each the essence and Divinity of God, but not as a triune unit. The Father is the highest and largest, Jesus is the First Son having all rights of inheritance, and The Spirit is the extra dimensional aspect of God assigned to the Earth.

In John's Revelation of Heaven, "The Holy Spirit" is not there as we are aware of Him now on Earth. But there are The Seven Spirits of God. Hence, The Holy Spirit we now possess is not a part of any such Trinity as is commonly theorized, but rather is indeed of God as an aspect of Him.
 
Jacob62 said:
John 14:28, "For my Father is greater than I."

This statement does not indicate any sort of a Trinity, but rather shows a hierarchy. The Father, The Begotten Son Yeshua, and The Holy Spirit are indeed each the essence and Divinity of God, but not as a triune unit. The Father is the highest and largest, Jesus is the First Son having all rights of inheritance, and The Spirit is the extra dimensional aspect of God assigned to the Earth.

In John's Revelation of Heaven, "The Holy Spirit" is not there as we are aware of Him now on Earth. But there are The Seven Spirits of God. Hence, The Holy Spirit we now possess is not a part of any such Trinity as is commonly theorized, but rather is indeed of God as an aspect of Him.
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I don’t use the word Trinity.

I use the word Godhead.


For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Colossians 2:9


Do you believe Jesus Christ is Lord; the Lord God, only begotten of the Father?



JLB
 
JLB said:
I don’t use the word Trinity.

I use the word Godhead.


For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Colossians 2:9


Do you believe Jesus Christ is Lord; the Lord God, only begotten of the Father?



JLB
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Do you believe God the Father Is greater than Jesus Christ?
 
Jacob62 said:
The Holy Spirit we now possess is not a part of any such Trinity as is commonly theorized, but rather is indeed of God as an aspect of Him.
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For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7



Do you believe the Son, Jesus Christ, is God, man or other?
 
JLB said:
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7



Do you believe the Son, Jesus Christ, is God, man or other?
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1 John 5:7 does not appear in the oldest texts. It cannot be used as any sort of a proof text for Trinity teaching.

The Word of God through Jesus states He is in The Father, and The Father is in Him. Jesus also clearly told the Pharisees He was of equal nature with God the Father, and carried His Authority. Jesus on Earth was not the fullness of The Father as He was in Heaven.

Human imagination cannot add to any part of this.
 
Jacob62 said:
1 John 5:7 does not appear in the oldest texts. It cannot be used as any sort of a proof text for Trinity teaching.
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I guess someone who didn’t like a particular verse in the Bible could make such a claim about any passage in the Bible.


Relying on someone’s opinion is not how we build a strong foundation of truth for our lives.


For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7


The Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit are one.


Human imagination cannot add to nor take away from any part of this.





JLB
 
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The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions.​

Jacob62 said:
This statement does not indicate any sort of a Trinity, but rather shows a hierarchy. The Father, The Begotten Son Yeshua, and The Holy Spirit are indeed each the essence and Divinity of God, but not as a triune unit. The Father is the highest and largest, Jesus is the First Son having all rights of inheritance, and The Spirit is the extra dimensional aspect of God assigned to the Earth.
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Sweet, someone with all the answers...

So ... the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 different Gods?
Re: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are of the essence of God ... how does the essence of the Son and Father and Holy spirit differ? (are they are omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, eternal, or ?)
Re: The Father is the Highest and largest ... Higher than the Son and Holy Spirit? What does HIGHEST and LARGEST mean?
Re: The Spirit is the extra dimensional aspect ... What does 'extra dimensional' mean?
 
Fastfredy0 said:
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The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions.​


Sweet, someone with all the answers...

So ... the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 different Gods?
Re: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are of the essence of God ... how does the essence of the Son and Father and Holy spirit differ? (are they are omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, eternal, or ?)
Re: The Father is the Highest and largest ... Higher than the Son and Holy Spirit? What does HIGHEST and LARGEST mean?
Re: The Spirit is the extra dimensional aspect ... What does 'extra dimensional' mean?
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What does your Funk & Wagnall say about all this?
 
I can't figure out the Trinity any more than I can figure out why there is no known mechanism of evolution.
The difference is one is true and one is not.
 
JLB said:
I guess someone who didn’t like a particular verse in the Bible could make such a claim about any passage in the Bible.


Relying on someone’s opinion is not how we build a strong foundation of truth for our lives.


For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7


The Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit are one.


Human imagination cannot add to nor take away from any part of this.





JLB
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Guessing about the Word of God is risky. Hope this helps. Jesus stated, "The Father is greater than I." Ignoring Jesus' Word is not wise.
 
Jacob62 said:
Guessing about the Word of God is risky.
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No guessing, sir about the word of God.

I was said ... I guess someone who didn’t like a particular verse in the Bible could make such a claim about any passage in the Bible.


Thats not guessing about God’s word.


If you can’t comprehend this simple statement, why would anyone trust your ability to comprehend the mystery of the Godhead?


I guess that’s why you are trying to explain away the verse rather than read it and believe it.



JLB
 
JLB said:
No guessing, sir about the word of God.

I was said ... I guess someone who didn’t like a particular verse in the Bible could make such a claim about any passage in the Bible.


Thats not guessing about God’s word.


If you can’t comprehend this simple statement, why would anyone trust your ability to comprehend the mystery of the Godhead?


I guess that’s why you are trying to explain away the verse rather than read it and believe it.



JLB
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Do the research. That particular verse is not in the oldest manuscripts. Denying reality is not of God.
 
Jacob62 said:
Do the research. That particular verse is not in the oldest manuscripts. Denying reality is not of God.
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Not that I agree with your trinity doctrine. But you have a point regarding 1 John 5:7-8
JLB Cherry Picked the version to use.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement. HCSB
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify, 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement. Net2
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree ESV
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NASB

I am still waiting for answers to my questions in the thread labeled:

The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions.​

 
Jacob62 said:
Do the research. That particular verse is not in the oldest manuscripts. Denying reality is not of God.
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Denying God’s word is not reality.

Exalting commentary over God’s word is not reality.


Here’s what my NKJV version says —


For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7 NKJV


For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:7 KJV


  • How many are in the Godhead?


For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Colossians 2:9




JLB
 
Fastfredy0 said:
Not that I agree with your trinity doctrine. But you have a point regarding 1 John 5:7-8
JLB Cherry Picked the version to use.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement. HCSB
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify, 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement. Net2
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree ESV
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NASB

I am still waiting for answers to my questions in the thread labeled:

The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions.​

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Your questions are not inquiries about any information, but are mere complaints upon what I stated.

For instance, consider using a dictionary to find the definition of "greater" as spoken by Jesus of the Father. Then, read the rest of Scripture where Jesus repeatedly speaks of His constant obedience and submission to The Father as a superior authority over Him. Do not forget to do this. Okay?

Blessings.
 
Fastfredy0 said:
Not that I agree with your trinity doctrine. But you have a point regarding 1 John 5:7-8
@JLB Cherry Picked the version to use.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement. HCSB
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify, 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement. Net2
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree ESV
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NASB
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I didn’t see the KJV or the NKJV in you list.

Don't forget the NIV? The NIV omits it in verse 7 also.


However, their is always the context.

For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 1 John 5:7-10 NIV


  • Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.



We have the testimony of the Spirit in verse 8, but where is the testimony of the Son and the Father in verse 7?



I see three in these verses, how many do you see?

The Spirit
The Son (Word)
God (The Father)


Even the most perverted version can not hide the three that are one.





JLB
 

The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions.​


Jacob62 said:
Your questions are not inquiries about any information, but are mere complaints upon what I stated.
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The answer to all questions as posted by Jacob62 ... but when asked difficult (or even easy questions)you give no answer. When asked for clarification, you give no answer.

Question: So ... the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 different Gods?
Possible answers:
1) Yes
2) No
3) I don't know
4) I am not going to answer even though your authored thread says: "The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions".
 
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