The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions.

[eddif]

You do know Jeremiah was talking about the Millennial Messianic kingdom, right? That time is not yet.

Well maybe.
If the born again Jewish apostles had not written the New Testament and agreed Paul and others go to the gentiles, then that might be true. To me every time I read the Bible Jewish persons wrote their Romans 3 Jewish advantages rule my life. I do not in any way see gentiles in charge. The one new man exists now. That takes change in Jew and gentile alike.

On the day of Pentecost Jews and proselytes were in attendance and got the power to witness. At the gentile inclusion ( thanks Jewish persons) gentiles received the same Holy Spirit. Jesus had broken down the middle wall separating them.

Some will not agree, but that is part of life.

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[Randy]

In part, yes. But the part you quoted will only happen at the end of time.

Thru the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is a long slow process.

The new covenant as stated in Hebrews 8 was introduced by Jesus in Israel to the people of Israel first. As was testified in Hebrews 8 the first covenant was then obsolete. As was testified in Jeremiah the cause was the people broke that covenant even though God stated He was like a husband to them.

Therefore the only people who are in a covenant relationship with God are those whose hearts have been circumcised with the Spirit of Christ.

The gift of God is given in a instant and signifies those who "God" calls His children.

children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

At the end of the age through the signs given in Rev 11 many in Jerusalem will be brought into the body of Christ and led out into the desert through the splitting of the mount of olives as spoken of in Zech 14 and given some help and protection from the surrounding armies of the lawless ones and during his reign of 42 months. Those in the world who take joy in the murders of Gods two witnesses as testified in Rev 11 will fall to the lies of the beast.

But the new covenant has been established in Israel to the people of Israel by Jesus who He was sent to them first.

 

[Randy]

I believe in the Trinity OK. The problem is elsewhere.

Setting aside "Coeternal" -Jesus as He testified is not the Father before He was known as Jesus and now in heaven.

He is at God's righthand.

The Lord says to my lord

“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.

The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross. 31God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.

Jesus - And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!

So you see the Jesus who was and is couldn't be the Father.

In fact Jesus in heaven and earth states the one on the throne is His God and Father.

To state Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit are 3 distinct persons but share the nature and essence is a mystery. Its also not how Jesus taught and defined His oneness with the Father. That He and the Father are one as we and Jesus are one. That Jesus gave that same glory to us that the Father gave to Him. Not what was given but "oneness"

From my understanding I reject Jesus had a human spirit that began in the womb of Mary and state the Son who was, (His spirit), was in the body prepared for Him and as we read the FATHER was living IN Him. (oneness)

"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"


I do not see this as coeternal but from gifted from the will of another at a point in history before the world began. A other who defined Jesus's being as one who would be His God.
Col 1:19
Because IN Him it did PLEASE also the FULLNESS to DWELL.