The Two Natures That Co-Exist In A Spirit-Filled Christian

The sin of Adam and Eve was not in attaining knowledge but in rejecting God’s will in favor of their own.

Adam was instructed not to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and when he and Eve were later tempted to do this by the serpent in the Garden of Eden, they did so anyway.

What commandments did Adam break in the Garden?

Though there was no formal law at the time of Adam, he violated all of them. In essence, a violation of one part of the law is a violation of the whole law, because the law is a chain, and to break one link is to break the entire chain. So, the sin of eating a piece of forbidden fruit is far more complex than one may first recognize because Adam disobeyed the Word of God.
Found this interesting.

www.jewfaq.org

Noahic (Noah) Commandments are seven commandments first given to Adam (according to Jewish tradition), by God before the flood and brought to remembrance by God to Noah after the flood, which are also binding on both Jew and Gentile as Abraham was the first one to be called a Hebrew as there were no Jew or Gentile in the days of Noah, Genesis 14:13. The seven make up the first parts of the ten that God gave to Moses on Mt Sinai in Exodus 20. Below is a comparison list of the seven and the full ten which are all a part of the 613 laws given to Moses as some were for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite and then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all, Jew and Gentile to follow. Christ did not come to destroy all the laws, but to fulfill the parts of the Temple and sacrifices, Matthew 5:17-22.

Noahic Laws:
Not to worship idols.
Not to curse God.
To establish courts of justice.
Not to commit murder.
Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
Not to steal.
Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

Mt. Sinai Laws:
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.

Part of the ten laws broken down to various commands within one law:
Other gods and idols are as one not to worship, but broke down into two commands
Remember the Sabbath was added to the ten commandments by God as a remembrance of all God did in six days (Gods timing) and rested on the seventh, Genesis 2:1-3; Matthew 12:1-13
To establish courts of justice was only given to Noah for the new generations to come after the flood
Honor your father and mother was not given to Noah, but was added to the ten commandments by God as the generations grew.

Not to covet was added to the ten commandments by God, but broke down into seven commands as your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.
 
Found this interesting.

www.jewfaq.org

Noahic (Noah) Commandments are seven commandments first given to Adam (according to Jewish tradition), by God before the flood and brought to remembrance by God to Noah after the flood, which are also binding on both Jew and Gentile as Abraham was the first one to be called a Hebrew as there were no Jew or Gentile in the days of Noah, Genesis 14:13. The seven make up the first parts of the ten that God gave to Moses on Mt Sinai in Exodus 20. Below is a comparison list of the seven and the full ten which are all a part of the 613 laws given to Moses as some were for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite and then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all, Jew and Gentile to follow. Christ did not come to destroy all the laws, but to fulfill the parts of the Temple and sacrifices, Matthew 5:17-22.

Noahic Laws:
Not to worship idols.
Not to curse God.
To establish courts of justice.
Not to commit murder.
Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
Not to steal.
Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

Mt. Sinai Laws:
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.

Part of the ten laws broken down to various commands within one law:
Other gods and idols are as one not to worship, but broke down into two commands
Remember the Sabbath was added to the ten commandments by God as a remembrance of all God did in six days (Gods timing) and rested on the seventh, Genesis 2:1-3; Matthew 12:1-13
To establish courts of justice was only given to Noah for the new generations to come after the flood
Honor your father and mother was not given to Noah, but was added to the ten commandments by God as the generations grew.

Not to covet was added to the ten commandments by God, but broke down into seven commands as your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.
I am of course able to be corrected, but it has been my understanding that they are called the “Noahide” laws because they are thought to have been given in their fullness to Noah after the flood.

As such they would not have been given to Adam.

They are also called the Noachian laws, the Seven Laws of Noah, or the Seven Commands for Noah’s Sons in the Jewish Talmod.

The idea of a formal set of laws given to all humanity (all the sons of Noah) comes from the Talmud and is therefore extra-biblical.

Some people believe the Book of Jubilees contains a possible mention of the Noahide Laws. But, again, the Book of Jubilees is not inspired Scripture. However, the basic seven Noahide Laws are based in biblical principles.
 
I am of course able to be corrected, but it has been my understanding that they are called the “Noahide” laws because they are thought to have been given in their fullness to Noah after the flood. They are also called the Noachian laws, the Seven Laws of Noah, or the Seven Commands for Noah’s Sons (in Hebrew, Sheva Mitzvot B'nei Noach).

The idea of a formal set of laws given to all humanity (all the sons of Noah) comes from the Talmud and is therefore extra-biblical.

Some people believe the Book of Jubilees contains a possible mention of the Noahide Laws. But, again, the Book of Jubilees is not inspired Scripture. However, the basic seven Noahide Laws are based in biblical principles.
I've been corrected many times and grateful for those who have a higher Biblical knowledge then I have.

The first seven laws of God are called the Noahide/Noahic Laws (various other names) found in the Hebrew Bible that make up parts of the OT. They are found in the Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 56a-b and the Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4.
 
I've been corrected many times and grateful for those who have a higher Biblical knowledge then I have.

The first seven laws of God are called the Noahide/Noahic Laws (various other names) found in the Hebrew Bible that make up parts of the OT. They are found in the Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 56a-b and the Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4.
I did not mean for you to think I was correcting you in any way. I apologize if it came across that way.
 
I've been corrected many times and grateful for those who have a higher Biblical knowledge then I have.

The first seven laws of God are called the Noahide/Noahic Laws (various other names) found in the Hebrew Bible that make up parts of the OT. They are found in the Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 56a-b and the Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4.
Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 56a-b
In Sanhedrin 56a, the discussion revolves around the obligations of the descendants of Noah (non-Jews). The Talmud states-

"Our Rabbis taught: Seven precepts were the sons of Noah commanded: social laws; to refrain from blasphemy, idolatry, adultery, bloodshed, robbery, and eating flesh cut from a living animal."
(Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 56a)
The Talmud elaborates on these laws and their derivations from biblical texts, though it treats them as traditions passed down rather than direct scriptural commandments.

Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4
The Tosefta, an additional collection of Jewish oral law, also addresses these laws:

"The children of Noah were commanded concerning seven precepts: concerning adjudication (justice), idolatry, blasphemy, sexual immorality, bloodshed, robbery, and not to eat flesh torn from a living animal."
(Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4)
This passage affirms the same seven laws and their universality for all humanity, emphasizing that they were given to Noah and his descendants.

Additional Context
These laws are not directly listed in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) but are inferred from the narratives in Genesis, especially the Noahic covenant (Genesis 9). Rabbinic tradition identifies these as the foundational moral laws for all people, distinct from the Mosaic Law given specifically to Israel.

Keep the faith!

Johann.
 
Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 56a-b
In Sanhedrin 56a, the discussion revolves around the obligations of the descendants of Noah (non-Jews). The Talmud states-

"Our Rabbis taught: Seven precepts were the sons of Noah commanded: social laws; to refrain from blasphemy, idolatry, adultery, bloodshed, robbery, and eating flesh cut from a living animal."
(Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 56a)
The Talmud elaborates on these laws and their derivations from biblical texts, though it treats them as traditions passed down rather than direct scriptural commandments.

Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4
The Tosefta, an additional collection of Jewish oral law, also addresses these laws:

"The children of Noah were commanded concerning seven precepts: concerning adjudication (justice), idolatry, blasphemy, sexual immorality, bloodshed, robbery, and not to eat flesh torn from a living animal."
(Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4)
This passage affirms the same seven laws and their universality for all humanity, emphasizing that they were given to Noah and his descendants.

Additional Context
These laws are not directly listed in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) but are inferred from the narratives in Genesis, especially the Noahic covenant (Genesis 9). Rabbinic tradition identifies these as the foundational moral laws for all people, distinct from the Mosaic Law given specifically to Israel.

Keep the faith!

Johann.
Good to know and My one and only input on this was simply that nowhere does the Bible record any laws God gave Adam, if any, other than the command to fill and subdue the earth and the prohibition against eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and they are certainly not associated with either Noah or Adam.
 
Good to know and My one and only input on this was simply that nowhere does the Bible record any laws God gave Adam, if any, other than the command to fill and subdue the earth and the prohibition against eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and they are certainly not associated with either Noah or Adam.
No worries Rodger.

Johann.
 
Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 56a-b
In Sanhedrin 56a, the discussion revolves around the obligations of the descendants of Noah (non-Jews). The Talmud states-

"Our Rabbis taught: Seven precepts were the sons of Noah commanded: social laws; to refrain from blasphemy, idolatry, adultery, bloodshed, robbery, and eating flesh cut from a living animal."
(Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 56a)
The Talmud elaborates on these laws and their derivations from biblical texts, though it treats them as traditions passed down rather than direct scriptural commandments.

Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4
The Tosefta, an additional collection of Jewish oral law, also addresses these laws:

"The children of Noah were commanded concerning seven precepts: concerning adjudication (justice), idolatry, blasphemy, sexual immorality, bloodshed, robbery, and not to eat flesh torn from a living animal."
(Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4)
This passage affirms the same seven laws and their universality for all humanity, emphasizing that they were given to Noah and his descendants.

Additional Context
These laws are not directly listed in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) but are inferred from the narratives in Genesis, especially the Noahic covenant (Genesis 9). Rabbinic tradition identifies these as the foundational moral laws for all people, distinct from the Mosaic Law given specifically to Israel.

Keep the faith!

Johann.
Thank you for taking explaining this a little further.
 
Thank you for taking explaining this a little further.

Plenty sources online and Sam Shamoun on AnsweringIslam. Also, many podcasts on this.

J.
 
After the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone who accepted Jesus is born again, filled and sealed with the Holy Spirit and made alive spiritually.

I haven’t seen any scripture that says those who accept Jesus is born again, filled and sealed.

From what I have studied, people believed the Gospel, and repented.

Then they were baptized in water, and later received the Holy Spirit, which is referring to the baptism with the Spirit.


Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-17
 
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (John 8:31-36)

The Savior said very clearly that those who shall know the truth will be free from sin, i.e. won't commit sin. Apparently, these corrupt bodies can be freed from the sin nature, because Christ will replace it. Therefore, if a believer is born again (and not all who believe are born again), he or she has only one nature:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Corinthiand 5:17).
I respectfully disagree, live2blieve. Jesus says, not that "those who know the truth will be free from sin, i.e. won't commit sin," but he does say in contrast to the crowd's emphasis on "bondage," that believers will not be dominated by sin as its slaves. Either we are slaves to sin or we are free children of God, who desire to do his will as our Father.

However, we continue to have sins in our lives that we must continue to fight through Jesus' mighty triumph. Here is one of many tests in the New Testament. Tell me if you follow perfectly Paul's commands in 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18,

1Th 5:16 Rejoice always,
1Th 5:17 pray without ceasing,
1Th 5:18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
 
I respectfully disagree, live2blieve. Jesus says, not that "those who know the truth will be free from sin, i.e. won't commit sin," but he does say in contrast to the crowd's emphasis on "bondage," that believers will not be dominated by sin as its slaves. Either we are slaves to sin or we are free children of God, who desire to do his will as our Father.

However, we continue to have sins in our lives that we must continue to fight through Jesus' mighty triumph. Here is one of many tests in the New Testament. Tell me if you follow perfectly Paul's commands in 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18,

1Th 5:16 Rejoice always,
1Th 5:17 pray without ceasing,
1Th 5:18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Correct. The sin nature is with every single person until death.
 
Most Christians have this wrong understanding and believed that God gave the Law for us to follow. Before the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone is living in the flesh and dead spiritually. Therefore, there is only one nature which man lived by which is the flesh. Man not knowing that they are sinful and can never please God, tried to perform good works to earn God's favor. Therefore God gave the Law and said: "Anyone who desire earn my favor and enter heaven must obey the Law without breaking any of the commandments."

Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Galatians 5:3 If anyone wants to be righteous through the law, they have to obey the entire law

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.


But God's true intention for giving the Law is to show man that they cannot keep his law because of their sinful nature. It is liken to God saying to a dead corpse "If you want to live, then show me that you can breathe." But it is impossible for a dead corpse to breathe.

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone who accepted Jesus is born again, filled and sealed with the Holy Spirit and made alive spiritually. At this point, a Christian has two natures. The nature of the sinful flesh that is the old man and nature of the Holy Spirit that is God's nature. If you know the flesh, you will know that it is capable of performing good works and evil desires. In the non-Christian community, do we not see people who contributed much to the society and others? However, God compare all the rightouseness of sinful man as filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

The other nature of a Christian is the nature the Holy Spirit that is God's nature which cannot sin. These two different nature within a Christian is constantly at war. Therefore Paul wrote that he discipline his body and bring it into subjection.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

How to know stop operating in the flesh?

Step 1: Stop focusing on the Law and do not be sin conscious. Remember that God did not gave the Law for anyone to follow but rather to make all sinners aware that of their sinful nature and cannot save themselves by their own human effort or good works. If you continue to focus on the Law, you will strengthen the flesh to perform and more sins will be committed.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.


Step 2: Live in freedom from the Law and act according to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. If you believe that God cannot sin, what made you think you will commit sin when you are flowing with the Holy Spirit?

Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Anyone who is alive will naturally breathe without being told to do so. Therefore if a Christian flows with the spirit, they live out the nature of God which is free from the Law and Sin. Therefore, I believe this is the reason why God do not want Christians to be conscious of the Law and Sin. A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it.
alaric, then why do the New Testament writers of the letters command Christians to keep striving for perfection:

Php 3:8 Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ
Php 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—
Php 3:10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
Php 3:11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
Php 3:13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,
Php 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Note that not even Paul claims to be perfect (verse 12) but has to struggle toward the final goal of resurrection perfection (verses 13 and 14).
 
Most Christians have this wrong understanding and believed that God gave the Law for us to follow. Before the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone is living in the flesh and dead spiritually. Therefore, there is only one nature which man lived by which is the flesh. Man not knowing that they are sinful and can never please God, tried to perform good works to earn God's favor. Therefore God gave the Law and said: "Anyone who desire earn my favor and enter heaven must obey the Law without breaking any of the commandments."

Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Galatians 5:3 If anyone wants to be righteous through the law, they have to obey the entire law

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.


But God's true intention for giving the Law is to show man that they cannot keep his law because of their sinful nature. It is liken to God saying to a dead corpse "If you want to live, then show me that you can breathe." But it is impossible for a dead corpse to breathe.

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone who accepted Jesus is born again, filled and sealed with the Holy Spirit and made alive spiritually. At this point, a Christian has two natures. The nature of the sinful flesh that is the old man and nature of the Holy Spirit that is God's nature. If you know the flesh, you will know that it is capable of performing good works and evil desires. In the non-Christian community, do we not see people who contributed much to the society and others? However, God compare all the rightouseness of sinful man as filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

The other nature of a Christian is the nature the Holy Spirit that is God's nature which cannot sin. These two different nature within a Christian is constantly at war. Therefore Paul wrote that he discipline his body and bring it into subjection.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

How to know stop operating in the flesh?

Step 1: Stop focusing on the Law and do not be sin conscious. Remember that God did not gave the Law for anyone to follow but rather to make all sinners aware that of their sinful nature and cannot save themselves by their own human effort or good works. If you continue to focus on the Law, you will strengthen the flesh to perform and more sins will be committed.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.


Step 2: Live in freedom from the Law and act according to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. If you believe that God cannot sin, what made you think you will commit sin when you are flowing with the Holy Spirit?

Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Anyone who is alive will naturally breathe without being told to do so. Therefore if a Christian flows with the spirit, they live out the nature of God which is free from the Law and Sin. Therefore, I believe this is the reason why God do not want Christians to be conscious of the Law and Sin. A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it.
alaric, if we are born-again Christians who are filled with the Holy Spirit and will "naturally obey the Law without effort," why do the letter writers in the New Testament command us to take off the old-nature qualities and replace them with the new-nature ones in Romans chapters 12-16, Ephesians 4-6, Galatians 5-6, Colossians 3-4, and Hebrews 12-13?

For example, why does Paul command us to be filled with the Spirit (Ephesians 5:18) instead of being filled with alcohol?

Eph 5:18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit....
 
I haven’t seen any scripture that says those who accept Jesus is born again, filled and sealed.
"Received" is the word the Bible uses.

1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 1 Corinthians 15:1

"Accepted" means the same thing.
 
"Received" is the word the Bible uses.

1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 1 Corinthians 15:1

"Accepted" means the same thing.

Received the word of God refers to being saved; born again.


It does not refer to being filled with the Holy Spirit or receiving the Holy Spirit.

Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-17
 
Received the word of God refers to being saved; born again.


It does not refer to being filled with the Holy Spirit or receiving the Holy Spirit.
It can:

21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. John 20:21-22

2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? Galatians 3:2

47“Can anyone withhold the water to baptize these people? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have!” Acts 10:47


Don't try to box the Holy Spirit into a doctrine. He is like the wind. He comes and goes as he pleases and is not controlled by legalisms and rituals but by the faith he himself instills in a person through the hearing of the word.
 
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