Bible Study The Work of God: Terminal Agitation Ending in Silence

[JLB]

Satan steals Word. That's what Satan does. Satan doesn't stop doing what Satan does. Mark 4:15

Satan only steals the word from unbelievers whose heart is hardened... lest they should believe and be saved.

13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness;17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.” Mark 4:13-20


Satan can not steal the Gospel Message from believers.


Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal the Gospel Message from believers.



JLB

 

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The person who believes in Christ is justified by His blood.

The indwelling sin and evil present with NO MAN is ever justified by God in Christ, ever. Nor is that even a remote theological possibility.

 

[JLB]

Indwelling sin and evil present (from Romans 7:17-21) is NOT forensic. It is therefore unseen power/activity, internal, IN THE MIND as Jesus Paul shows us, which scriptures call disobedience, i.e. the spirit of disobedience. Romans 11:32, Eph. 2:2.


Scriptures tell us quite plainly that Word is stolen from us by Satan. That theft is internal. Sin is also quite connected to the DEVIL, by 1 John 3:8. There is no logical disconnection available.

Paul himself acknowledges that a messenger of Satan DID dwell in his own flesh. 2 Cor. 12:7. And showed also that "temptation" was in his flesh, Gal. 4:13-14. Does the tempter tempt? Of course. And does so INTERNALLY.

Seeing just man or just a believer is NOT a scriptural sight whatsoever.

13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness;17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.” Mark 4:13-20


Satan can not steal the Gospel Message from believers.

Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal the Gospel Message from believers.


JLB

 

[JLB]

The indwelling sin and evil present with NO MAN is ever justified by God in Christ, ever. Nor is that even a remote theological possibility.

The person who believes in Christ is justified by His blood.

8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. Romans 5:8-10

The person who is justified by the blood of Jesus Christ, their body will be resurrected from dead and be immortal, just like Jesus.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 2 Corinthians 5:2-4


JLB

 

[smaller]

Satan only steals the word from unbelievers whose heart is hardened... lest they should believe and be saved.

Jesus said "every Word" of God applies to us, Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. Therefore Mark 4:15 applies to us.

 

[JLB]

Jesus said "every Word" of God applies to us, Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. Therefore Mark 4:15 applies to us.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal the Gospel message from believers.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal God's word from believers.

JLB

 

[smaller]

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal the Gospel message from believers.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal God's word from believers.

JLB

Already did. Jesus said "every Word" of God applies to us, Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. Jesus Spoke Mark 4:15. Therefore Mark 4:15 applies to us.

Not saying believers actually believe what Jesus says as they obviously DON'T believe that particular fact, as some come forth to prove, right here in this thread.

 

[JLB]

Already did. Jesus said "every Word" of God applies to us, Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. Jesus Spoke Mark 4:15. Therefore Mark 4:15 applies to us.

Not saying believers actually believe what Jesus says as they obviously DON'T believe that particular fact, as some come forth to prove, right here in this thread.

I asked you to post a scripture, not state your opinion.

Already did. Jesus said "every Word" of God applies to us

You stating your opinion, is not a scripture.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal the Gospel message from believers.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal God's word from believers.

JLB

 

[smaller]

I asked you to post a scripture, not state your opinion.

I did post scripture. Not saying believers believe what's stated, as some obviously DON'T.

Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Mark 4:15.

IF you don't understand, that's a whole nuther story. Please refer to the reality of Mark 4:15 for that one.

IF Jesus said Mark 4:15 happens, then BELIEVERS believe that is true, and that it happens. And they won't believe themselves to be an exception, as there are no exceptions given.

 

[JLB]

I did post scripture. Not saying believers believe what's stated, as some obviously DON'T.

Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Mark 4:15.

IF you don't understand, that's a whole nuther story. Please refer to the reality of Mark 4:15 for that one.

IF Jesus said Mark 4:15 happens, then BELIEVERS believe that is true, and that it happens. And they won't believe themselves to be an exception, as there are no exceptions given.

I don't see your scripture.

Where is the scripture?

You stating your opinion, is not a scripture.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal the Gospel message from believers.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal God's word from believers.

Mark 4:15 does not say that Satan steals the Gospel Message from believers.

13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word.

15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts.

16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness;17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.”
Mark 4:13-20


Mark 4:15 refers to Satan stealing the Gospel Message from unbelievers so that they won't believe.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal the Gospel message from believers.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal God's word from believers.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4



JLB

 

[reba]

This thread is reading like the A&T clean it up from this point on or it will close..
do not reply to this post in this thread

 

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3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

Quite obviously Mark 4:15 gets stolen from by Satan, when people do not believe what Jesus said is TRUE.

Jesus said, and I believe, that "every Word" of God applies to us. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. Is Mark 4:15 Gods Word? Yep! Does it apply to us because it is Gods Word? Yep! Is there at any time a time when Gods Words do NOT apply to us? Nope!

Gods Words do apply, all the time. But Satan assuredly steals Gods Words because Jesus says so. And I'd suggest in more ways than can be counted. But the very first way is not believing Mark 4:15 applies to us. I'd suggest that not believing Mark 4:15 is proof of theft and actually a form of "unbelief."

Not believing what Jesus said is TRUE is a form of unbelief.

 

[smaller]

There are a LOT of saved people who don't believe that their sin is of the devil.

It's probably the most common form of blindness in christianity, because Satan STEALS understanding The Word, Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8.

We know for example that the law is for sinners. 1 Tim. 1:9. And that by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20. But some don't have that knowledge. Why not? Because it gets stolen from them by our adversary, who is ALSO a sinner. Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8.

Too often we are falsely led to "justify" the entirety of ourselves when that is technically scripturally speaking, entirely impossible. The sin indwelling our flesh and the evil present with us can not be justified. Romans 7:17-21, Romans 8:3. Yet believers still try to overlook these facts as well, and go headlong into outright denial, even as is demonstrated right here in this thread, openly. The believers doing it don't even realize they are being GAMED by our adversary.

They will excuse their sins.
They will deny they have sin.
They will deny they have evil thoughts.
They will deny their evil thoughts are SIN.
They will deny that evil thoughts defile us.
and quite ENTIRELY predictably, they will DENY their sin is OF THE DEVIL, just like clockwork.

All of this kind of denial is actually the demonic activity of THEFT from believers. Causing believers not to speak "truthfully" and turning them instead into lying and eventually the worst state possible, HYPOCRISY.

It's a very easy form of short circuiting that Satan and his messengers perform 'in the flesh.' Temptations are obvious. It's the subtleties of LYING that Satan is really the expert at performing.

"he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:44)

IF we understand the principle involved, we're not as easily fooled. Only a person in truth can speak truthfully when it comes to the scriptures. And yes, that does include some 'uncomfortable' truths.

When we uphold the LAW it is done precisely to pinpoint the fact that SIN is a reality. And that fact will be resisted by indwelling sin/evil present. There is a very tense operating resistance dynamic that comes with this particular aspect of the scriptures.

The law makes SIN utterly SINFUL. Romans 7:13. That's what the LAW does. 1 Cor. 15:56.

If believers don't believe that, they are simply in unbelief on those counts because they CAN'T SEE IT. They are in fact being stolen from and are in unbelief on some subjects. Yes, the law does make sin utterly sinful. Sin does get strength from the LAW. Paul does teach us these facts, right there in black on white to observe.

Can indwelling sin and evil present be legal? Nope! Obedient? Nope! That's why Paul didn't teach "works" salvation, because it's IMPOSSIBLE for indwelling sin and evil present to COMPLY.

Yet we still have "believers" teaching works salvation. Why? Because they can't see the facts. They are being actively stolen from per Mark 4:15. And, because of this blatant THEFT, they will also quite naturally be BLINDED to the fact that indwelling sin and evil present can NOT be justified by any form of works.

Believers can believe that Jesus Is Lord, and saves them. But it doesn't mean they believe every Word of God applies to us. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4.

I'd dare say Mark 4:15 is the LEAST believed FACT, not believed by believers, in the entire Bible.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

smaller, you make two fundamental errors that cause you to adopt the doctrine you have adopted:

1) Being tempted is not the same as sinning. If that were true, Christ is not the sinless savior of the world (Hebrews 4:15 NASB).

2) All believers are responsible for acting on indwelling sin and evil. You can not act out indwelling sin and evil and expect that to go to the firey place, while you go to the heavenlies.

Your doctrine seems to be energized by these two very serious misunderstandings.

 

[JLB]

Quite obviously Mark 4:15 gets stolen from by Satan, when people do not believe what Jesus said is TRUE.

Mark 4:15 refers to "unbelievers" who have the Gospel message stolen from them by Satan, because their heart is hard like the well worn path Jesus described.

3 “Listen! Behold, a sower went out to sow. 4 And it happened, as he sowed, that some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds of the air came and devoured it. Mark 4:3-4

14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. Mark 4:14-15

Was the group that had the seed, the Gospel message, stolen from their hearts, believers or unbelievers?

They were unbelievers.

Mark 4:15 refers to Satan stealing the Gospel Message from unbelievers so that they won't believe, and be saved.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal the Gospel message from believers.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal God's word from believers.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4



JLB

 

[JLB]

I'd dare say Mark 4:15 is the LEAST believed FACT, not believed by believers, in the entire Bible.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4

The devil is only able to steal the word from unbeliever's who have hardened their heart, which encompasses 25% of the examples Jesus gave.

The rest of us have believed, in which the word of God, the Gospel message, was not stolen from us.

So far, you have not provided any scripture that teaches us Satan steals the word from Believers.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us Satan can steal God's word from believers.

JLB

 

[smaller]

smaller, you make two fundamental errors that cause you to adopt the doctrine you have adopted:

I don't have my doctrine. I read and believe the scriptures.

Do you hear me trying to justify indwelling sin and evil present? Never.

I have an admitted disrespect for believers who can not own up to the fact that we have indwelling sin and evil present with us that CAN NOT be justified. Romans 7:17-21.

And, additionally, I also know that indwelling sin and evil present is COMPELLED to come and resist these facts when the scriptures regarding these matters are upheld. This is something you don't realize is going on.

1) Being tempted is not the same as sinning.

Wrong. Evil thoughts do defile us all. And temptations are temptations to DO EVIL via EVIL thoughts against the LAW(s) to violate those LAWS and thusly do evil, externally. Matt. 15:19-20, Mark 7:21-23 and Matt. 5:28. <- These are NOT optional. They are a direct result of indwelling sin meeting LAW, just as Paul shows us in Romans 7:7-13.

What is really going on with those who don't understand is this: They are in denial of sin being in operation via evil thoughts, and they try to JUSTIFY temptations and evil DEFILING thoughts.

I don't play that game Jethro. Because that game is demonically inspired.

If that were true, Christ is not the sinless savior of the world (Hebrews 4:15 NASB).

Your logic doesn't even connect or make sense. Jesus saves sinners. Deal with it. 1 Tim. 1:15.

You think because we're tempted Jesus isn't our Savior? What kind of nonsense is that?

2) All believers are responsible for acting on indwelling sin and evil.

There isn't a believer who has ever lived on this planet who made themselves sinless. So move on. There are plenty liars about the subject to go around, that's a certainty.

You can not act out indwelling sin and evil and expect that to go to the firey place, while you go to the heavenlies.

No action or inaction is going to change the fact of being a factual sinner Jethro. Your positions have this quite entirely mistaken notion that if a believer DOESN'T ACT on sin, that means we're NOT SINNERS.

And that is NOT TRUE.

Paul shows us, quite precisely, that when indwelling sin meets LAW, that sin thoughts transpire. That's HOW Paul knew he was a sinner, not from the 'external deed' but from 'concupiscent thoughts.'

Now everyone in denial raise your hand.

Your doctrine seems to be energized by these two very serious misunderstandings.

I've addressed your critiques for years. I understand if you don't get it because I understand Mark 4:15 happens.

 

[smaller]

I'd like to have a gentle reminder that this thread is about the adverse relationship between GOD/His Word and indwelling sin-evil present.

Anyone who doesn't think this is the case would be well advised to not participate.

 

[JLB]

I don't have my doctrine. I read and believe the scriptures.

Do you believe that only those unbelievers whose hearts are like a well worn path, have the word of God stolen by Satan, or do you believe that all people, both unbelievers and believers have the word of God stolen by Satan?

14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. Mark 4:14-15



JLB

 

[smaller]

The devil is only able to steal the word from unbeliever's who have hardened their heart, which encompasses 25% of the examples Jesus gave.

Jesus said Mark 4:15. God Spoke that fact, therefore it is true, whether believed or not.

Jesus also said "every Word" of God applies to us. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4.

There is no way to make Mark 4:15 NOT true. And I'd suggest that those who try to make Jesus Word in Mark 4:15 NOT true are in fact proving Mark 4:15 IS TRUE.