Bible Study The Work of God: Terminal Agitation Ending in Silence

[smaller]

Do you believe that only those unbelievers whose hearts are like a well worn path, have the word of God stolen by Satan, or do you believe that all people, both unbelievers and believers have the word of God stolen by Satan?

I believe that Mark 4:15, Acts 26:18, Romans 11:8, Romans 11:32, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2 and 1 John 3:8 are all identical showings of a very certain fact.

When engaging any unbeliever I know for no uncertain fact that I am engaging a person AND the "god of this world" who is blinding them and has them captive.

I don't see only a person because I believe The Word.

And I don't expect the god of this world to cooperate in letting the captive go.

As to believers indwelling sin and evil present I do believe those workings to be from the spirit of disobedience, and NOT the believer. But most believers do not know or perceive the difference between themselves and the spirit of disobedience.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

At no point does "disobedience" become obedient. There was no point in time when Paul's indwelling sin and evil present with him "obeyed" or was "legal" or was NOT evil, present.

Evil present doesn't obey and evil present certain doesn't listen to Gods Words and obey them other than to do evil.

Anyone trying to justify the evil present with them is wasting their breath and their time.

Paul didn't say "a law" was present with him, he said it was A LAW, that EVIL was present with him:

Romans 7:21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Now, everyone trying to justify evil present with them raise your hand.

Everyone trying to say they don't have evil present with them raise their hand.

Everyone who raises their hand is an example of MARK 4:15.

 

[JLB]

Jesus said Mark 4:15. God Spoke that fact, therefore it is true, whether believed or not.

13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness;17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.” Mark 4;13-20


We know what is true about Mark 4:15, that Satan steals the Gospel Message from "some" unbeliever's, whose heart is hardened.

We also know that Mark 4:15 does not refer to believer's.


You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.



JLB

 

[JLB]

And I don't expect the god of this world to cooperate in letting the captive go.

The Gospel is the power of God, unto salvation.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16

A power that is greater than Satan.

A power that is greater than he that is in the world.

You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
1 John 4:4


God who is in us, is greater than Satan who is not in us, but in the world.


JLB

 

[smaller]

The Gospel is the power of God, unto salvation.

Anyone trying to justify indwelling sin and evil present with them is wasting their theological breath. Romans 7:17-21.

The indwelling sin and evil present with NO PERSON is justified, ever.

 

[smaller]

Knowing that the law is meant to make sin utterly sinful, Romans 7:13, and that the strength of sin is the law, 1 Cor. 15:56, what kind of outcome does this suggest?

I'd suggest the only logical conclusion is exactly that as proposed by Paul in Romans 3:19.

"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."

Before this happens however I might suggest that sin becomes utterly sinful. Romans 7:13. And that SIN gets what? Yeah, strengthened. 1 Cor. 15:56. So much so that it can no longer be DENIED by anyone.

It's NOT a pretty picture, until we get to Romans 3:19. Which is where this is headed to, by Divine Decree.

The point in time of Romans 3:19 is shown in Rev. 8, here:

Rev. 8:
1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Do you see? Every mouth stopped? There was silence. And, after this, all hell breaks out, as JUDGMENT FALLS.

The lesson here is this. As "believers" we really need to ask ourselves if we really want to be rid of indwelling sin/evil present?

IF so, we'd not defer judgment away from ourselves, but might rather be standing, first in line:

1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Do you really want to "protect" indwelling sin and evil present, or be RID of same? IF your mind says RID, then you are hearing. IF it says RUN from judgment, you're not listening.

You see, there is a life we are to LOSE:

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Do you hear me trying to justify indwelling sin and evil present? Never.

I have heard you rationalizing indwelling sin. You do that when you say it is all powerful and there is nothing a believer can do about it, so just accept it.

I have an admitted disrespect for believers who can not own up to the fact that we have indwelling sin and evil present with us that CAN NOT be justified. Romans 7:17-21.

The person gets justified. What's to not understand about that?
Sin and evil are what they are. It's the matter of the person being justified despite their struggle with sin and evil. Who says sin and evil get justified?

What is really going on with those who don't understand is this: They are in denial of sin being in operation via evil thoughts, and they try to JUSTIFY temptations and evil DEFILING thoughts.

Actually, you are the one trying to rationalize the operation of indwelling sin. The rest of us recognize sin and evil as the source of temptation, which becomes sin if we cave into it's demands. But simply being tempted is not a sin. It's the difference, for example, of seeing a beautiful woman that you find attractive who belongs to another man vs. then setting your heart on having her as your own (Deuteronomy 5:21 NASB). The latter 'thought' is what will condemn you as an adulterer, not the former.

Your logic doesn't even connect or make sense. Jesus saves sinners. Deal with it. 1 Tim. 1:15.

Actually, you are the one with the logic that does not connect or make sense:

"15For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 5:15 NASB)

How is it that our temptations, the very same one's Jesus had, are sin, but for Jesus those exact same temptations are NOT sin? See, you are the one with the failed logic, not me.

There isn't a believer who has ever lived on this planet who made themselves sinless.

Don't evade the point. I said NOTHING about being sinless. What I said was we are all responsible for the sin we commit because of the indwelling sin/ evil that is in us. But you rationalize away the accountability the believer has for sinning as a result of indwelling sin/ evil. You rationalize it away by saying that's just the way it is and we can't do anything about it, and worse, then say we will still be saved despite the enslavement to a lifestyle of unrepentant sin.

Your positions have this quite entirely mistaken notion that if a believer DOESN'T ACT on sin, that means we're NOT SINNERS.

I didn't say that. In fact, I pointed out in this post that coveting your neighbors things is a sin. The point being, the temptation to covet your neighbor's things is not the sin.......actually coveting them is.

I understand if you don't get it because I understand Mark 4:15 happens.

The truth is it seems you are the one in whom the plain scriptures I share are immediately swept away by the enemy, not me. I read them for what they say and I believe them. You read them and then insist they do not mean what they so plainly say. But you should not argue that is true, for you are the one saying that we are hypocrites and liars for saying that doesn't happen. So don't you dare say the devil has not stolen the words of the scriptures I share here out of your heart so that you do have them in your heart to understand. YOU are the one making the claim that the devil steals the word, not me. So you must acknowledge that is happening to you right here in our discussions.

 

[smaller]

I have heard you rationalizing indwelling sin. You do that when you say it is all powerful and there is nothing a believer can do about it, so just accept it.

Indwelling sin and evil present are realities. Did I EVER say 'all powerful?'

Let's pass on the imaginary conversations in your own mind, K?

As to believers choosing themselves to be sinless and not have evil present? That is off the table. It's never happened for a single believer. No, not once.

I'm only surprised that believers think that is the case.

The person gets justified. What's to not understand about that?
Sin and evil are what they are. It's the matter of the person being justified despite their struggle with sin and evil. Who says sin and evil get justified?

Don't know what might be running through your head quite frankly. I do know that Paul has solid facts, that sin dwells in the flesh, that evil is present with us, and that these are condemned, whether they show up on the outside or not.

Actually, you are the one trying to rationalize the operation of indwelling sin.

Citing the reality of these things from scripture doesn't make me the bad guy Jethro.

The rest of us recognize sin and evil as the source of temptation, which becomes sin if we cave into it's demands. But simply being tempted is not a sin.

Sorry, you statement is NOT correct. Covered this prior. Any thoughts to violate the law are evil, disobedient and defiling.

Lending excuses and coverups to temptation in lawbreaking is not in the scriptural cards.

Matt. 15:19-20, Mark 7:21-23 and Matt. 5:28

It's the difference, for example, of seeing a beautiful woman that you find attractive who belongs to another man vs. then setting your heart on having her as your own (Deuteronomy 5:21 NASB). The latter 'thought' is what will condemn you as an adulterer, not the former.

Toy with it and excuse as you please. It's still adultery in mind for the slightest thought of sex with a woman outside of marriage to that woman. Matt. 5:28.

How is it that our temptations, the very same one's Jesus had, are sin,

You bring up an interesting point. Do you think Jesus had sexual thoughts toward women?

Be careful about how many theological feet you might shove in your mouth when you answer.

but for Jesus those exact same temptations are NOT sin? See, you are the one with the failed logic, not me.

You brought the subject up. NOW you'll have to answer the question.

I don't think Jesus had ANY, no not ONE lustful sexual thought about any woman. So there's my answer.

Don't evade the point. I said NOTHING about being sinless. What I said was we are all responsible for the sin we commit because of the indwelling sin/ evil that is in us.

And you again and again continue to avoid the obvious, that NO amount of responsibility is going to RID the flesh of indwelling sin or make evil NOT present with us or make either NOT DO what they do and instead be "obedient" "lawful" etc. In other words, you are engaged with a logical fallacy that tries vainly to say "responsibility" equates to "not having indwelling sin/evil present." Or these things doing what they quite factually do.

Those are not options that are on the table.

Paul hammers these facts down where they can not be denied, and applied these facts to himself, personally, in Romans 7:7-13, Romans 7:15, Romans 17-21. And connects every bit of it to indwelling sin and evil present.

No amount of "personal responsibility" is going to change the hard line facts of having indwelling sin and evil present, operating and doing what they do. Romans 7 has the facts straight. Your claims do not.

But you rationalize away the accountability the believer has for sinning as a result of indwelling sin/ evil. You rationalize it away by saying that's just the way it is and we can't do anything about it, and worse, then say we will still be saved despite the enslavement to a lifestyle of unrepentant sin.

See the above. Responsibility made exactly NO ONE without indwelling sin and evil present.

I didn't say that. In fact, I pointed out that coveting your neighbors things is a sin. The point being, the temptation to covet your neighbor's things is not the sin.......actually coveting them is.

You claim there is a difference. There isn't.

Temptation to covet is coveting. Just as temptations of a sexual nature toward a woman that is not your wife are adultery thoughts.

The truth is it seems you are the one in whom the plain scriptures I share are immediately swept away by the enemy, not me.

You are inclined to "forgive" tempter and temptation.

What you utterly FAIL to see is the adverse dynamic between indwelling sin and the law which causes evil thoughts exactly as Paul says in Romans 7:7-13, which Paul says is caused by INDWELLING SIN.

Your position is soft selling the operations of sin in the mind by calling "temptations" not as they are, "Evil thoughts" from "indwelling sin."

Paul nails the facts. You don't.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

As to believers choosing themselves to be sinless and not have evil present? That is off the table. It's never happened for a single believer. No, not once.

smaller, it's off the table because NO ONE HAS SAID CHRISTIANS DON'T SIN.

You bring up an interesting point. Do you think Jesus had sexual thoughts toward women.

Of course he did. Is it a sin to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex? Of course not, lol.
The question is, did he find another man's wife attractive and then covet that woman as his own? Of course not. The attraction is not the sin, the coveting is. If he ever coveted another man's wife then he sinned and he is not the promised Messiah.

 

[smaller]

smaller, it's off the table because NO ONE HAS SAID CHRISTIANS DON'T SIN.

No one said personal responsibility makes believers "temporarily sinless" either.

Of course he did. Is it a sin to be sexually attracted to a potential mate? Of course not, lol.

So, just to be clear, you are saying Jesus had sexual thoughts toward women that were not his wife, correct?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

So, just to be clear, you are saying Jesus had sexual thoughts toward women that were not his wife, correct?

Of course he did. He was in a normal male biological body.
It is not a sin to be attracted to the opposite sex. What is a sin is to respond to that attraction in ways that God forbids.

What I know for sure is Jesus did not respond to his normal sexual attractions in a sinful way. If he did, he could not have made the boast of being the sinless Messiah.

 

[smaller]

Of course he did. He was in a normal male biological body.
It is not a sin to be attracted to the opposite sex.

It is strictly against the law to have sexual thoughts toward any woman who is not your wife.

What is a sin is to respond to that attraction in ways that God forbids.

So how far are you going to drag Jesus into sexual thoughts toward women?

Did He like picture them naked in His Mind and ravage them sexually or what?

What I know for sure is Jesus did not respond to his normal sexual attractions

Oh, so you mean they were maybe not all that legit, therefore He had to "resist" His sexual thoughts toward women?

in a sinful way. If he did, he could not have made the boast of being the sinless Messiah.

Well, I'm sure we're going to flesh this matter out, aren't we?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It is strictly against the law to have sexual thoughts toward any woman who is not your wife.

Do you have a chapter and verse for it being unlawful for a man to have sexual attraction toward women?

Did He like picture them naked in His Mind...

Maybe.
What is sinful about being attracted to the female body?
That is what God built into men so they will go into them and have children.

...and ravage them sexually or what?

No, because then he would be entertaining lustful thoughts of fornication, not simply being tempted to fornicate through his normal attraction to women.
And I know he didn't do that because he is the sinless Messiah.

Oh, so you mean they were maybe not all that legit, therefore He had to "resist" His sexual thoughts toward women?

He had to resist letting his normal, God given sexual attraction for women lead him into fulfilling it unlawfully in his mind, and of course in his actions too. Because if he did that he would be sinning. And I know he did not sin. But simply being tempted to act out his normal, biological sexual desire in his heart or in his flesh is not a sin. Acting on it in the mind and heart is the sin. He resisted that sin.

Well, I'm sure we're going to flesh this matter out, aren't we?

What's to flesh out?
The Bible plainly says Jesus was tempted like the rest of us, but that he did not give in to temptation so as to sin. Read it:

"15For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 5:15 NASB)

So, if you want to insist just being tempted is the sinful part then you have no choice but to conclude that Jesus sinned, because the above passage says he was tempted just like me and you. If he sinned that pretty much makes Christianity completely false and we can close this thread and this entire forum and go back to our old lives.

 

[smaller]

Do you have a chapter and verse for it being unlawful for a man to have sexual attraction toward women?

There is little point in evading the question of whether Jesus had sexual desires for women that were not his wife.

So far it would appear you are in the YES HE DID camp.

You are welcome to clarify if this isn't the case.

For official definitions LUSTS are defined thusly:

epithumeo {ep-ee-thoo-meh'-o}

Part of Speech:
verb
Usage in the KJV:
desire 8, covet 3, lust 3, lust after 1, fain 1

Total: 16
Definition:

1. to turn upon a thing
2. to have a desire for, long for, to desire
3. to lust after, covet
   1. of those who seek things forbidden

Jesus: Longed for, desired SEX with women? yeah or nay Jethro?

Maybe.
What is sinful about being attracted to the female body?
That is what God built into men so they will go into them and have children.

No, because then he would be entertaining lustful thoughts of fornication, not simply being tempted to fornicate through his normal attraction to women.
And I know he didn't do that because he is the sinless Messiah.

Fine. We can restructure the question just for you:

Jesus: tempted to fornicate through his normal sexual attraction/desires/lusts to have sexual relations with women. Yes or no?

He had to resist letting his normal, God given sexual attraction for women lead him into fulfilling it unlawfully in his mind, and of course in his actions too.

Well, we're getting closer to an actual answer aren't we? Did Jesus resist His Own Lusts? After all "temptation" is accompanied by LUSTS:

James 1:14
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Jesus: Lusted. Yeah or nay?

Because if he did that he would be sinning. And I know he did not sin. But simply being tempted to act out his normal, biological sexual desire in his heart or in his flesh is not a sin. Acting on it in the mind and heart is the sin. He resisted that sin.

It would appear that you are saying that it is normal for the mind of any man to sexually desire any women. And that Jesus did so. We can certainly get into the specifics about this further, of course as it may have related to Jesus' normal sexual desires for women, in your mind anyway.

What's to flesh out?
The Bible plainly says Jesus was tempted like the rest of us, but that he did not give in to temptation so as to sin.

I cited that temptation is accompanied by lust. So that's where we're going to take this in relationship to Jesus' temptations and sexual desires that He presumably had to "resist," according to Jethro anyway.

So, if you want to insist just being tempted is the sinful part then you have no choice but to conclude that Jesus sinned, because the above passage says he was tempted just like me and you. If he sinned that pretty much makes Christianity completely false and we can close this thread and this entire forum and go back to our old lives.

James 1:14
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Jesus lusted? Yes or no Jethro. Let's cut to the chase.

 

[Chopper]

Again, as stated before, sinless is your word that you interject into a scripture or post, the try to argue against what the scripture does not say.

Paul was saved by grace through faith.
Paul was forgiven of his sins.
Paul is a saint, not a sinner.

He went from being a sinner, to being a saint.


Paul now had the ability to come body before the throne of Grace, and have his sins forgiven, through faith in Jesus Christ, and what He did on the cross.

Before this, he was a persecutor of the Church and a sinner, in which he considered himself the chief of sinners.

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, 13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 1 Timothy 1:12-15

Paul placed himself at the top of the list of sinners, whom Christ came into the world to save.

...although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man;


Do you believe Paul continued to be a blasphemer, a persecutor and an insolent man after he was a Christian and an Apostle?



JLB

Hi there old friend JLB. Personally, I don't understand why you seem to be arguing with smaller over Satan's activities in stealing the Word of God from our minds/hearts when we receive a life changing Word from the Scriptures. I feel that smaller pointing out Mark 4:15 was so important for my understanding why there is such a battle over retaining life changing Words from the Holy Spirit.

Lets look at this verse again....Mark 4:15 "And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.".... I don't feel that we can isolate this verse to refer only to the unsaved. The verse, seems to be inclusive of all people.

You've made a couple of statements that I'd like to comment on. This is the first one....

Do you believe Paul continued to be a blasphemer, a persecutor and an insolent man after he was a Christian and an Apostle?

....You know very well that smaller doesn't believe that, no one in their right mind would!

Here's the second....

Paul is a saint, not a sinner....He went from being a sinner, to being a saint.

I believe that you are locked onto the verse you quoted to prove Paul's conversion....1 Timothy 1:12-15. I really have always liked that verse because I taught things as a legalist back in the day, but I did it ignorantly because I was taught by Bob Jones legalist Professors.

To understand what was happening in the Apostle Paul's saved life is told by him in Romans chapter seven....Romans 7:14 "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I." I think that's quite clear, don't you?

O well, I doubt that I'll settle anything, just that I see in your reply's, statements that are not true to what smaller believes. Smaller sometimes is like the Apostle Paul, hard to understand... 2 Peter 3:15 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
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[JLB]

Hi there old friend JLB. Personally, I don't understand why you seem to be arguing with smaller over Satan's activities in stealing the Word of God from our minds/hearts when we receive a life changing Word from the Scriptures.

I asked smaller to provide a scripture in this Bible Study, that shows us that Satan steals the word of God from believer's.

He has used mark 4:15 to claim that Satan has stolen the word of God from believer's, when mark 4:15 is a reference to Satan stealing the "Gospel Message" from unbelievers, not believers.

If you agree with him that Satan steals the word of God from believers, and has stolen the word that God recently spoke to you, then please provide a scripture for your belief.

Mark 4:15 teaches us that Satan was only successful in stealing the Gospel Message from 25% of the unbelievers who heard the message.

Smaller has built an entire Theology that comes from "Satan dwelling in every believer's flesh", and that the "sin in our flesh" is really "Satan himself", and that it's Satan doing the sinning not the person themselves.

That is his core belief which he propagates in every thread he participates in.



JLB

 

[JLB]

....You know very well that smaller doesn't believe that, no one in their right mind would!

Here's the second....

Smaller believes Paul lived as a sinner throughout his life until he died, even when writing the scripture that warns us about associating with those who live an immoral lifestyle.

Smaller has made this belief of his well known in every thread he writes in.

Again, Smaller claims the Apostle Paul was a sinner.


JLB

 

[JLB]

I believe that you are locked onto the verse you quoted to prove Paul's conversion....1 Timothy 1:12-15. I really have always liked that verse because I taught things as a legalist back in the day, but I did it ignorantly because I was taught by Bob Jones legalist Professors.

Paul claimed he was at the top of the list, the chief, of sinners who Christ came to save.

This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
1 Timothy 1:15

I will say it another way.

Paul said: I am the chief of all the sinners, that Jesus Christ came into the world to save.

Paul certainly was not saying that He was a sinner, since he taught that Christian's were to disassociate themselves with those who continued to live a sinful or immoral life.

• Purge out the leaven.
• Put away the evil person.
• I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.

7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.” 1 Corinthians 5:7-13



JLB

 

[JLB]

O well, I doubt that I'll settle anything, just that I see in your reply's, statements that are not true to what smaller believes.

I'm sorry old friend, but I know what Smaller believes, and have spent the last year in discussion after discussion with him.

Smaller believes:

• Satan dwells in our flesh, and is the one doing the sinning, and not the person.
• God made Adam sin because that was God's plan all along.
• No one has the ability to choose right or wrong. No Freewill.

JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus lusted? Yes or no Jethro. Let's cut to the chase.

Jesus was tempted, yet without sin.

For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15

Just as we are tempted, but have the grace and power to choose not to sin, because the Lord lives within us.


Where does it say Jesus lusted?

Chapter and verse please.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Anyone trying to justify indwelling sin and evil present with them is wasting their theological breath. Romans 7:17-21.

The indwelling sin and evil present with NO PERSON is justified, ever.

Can you show me one post where someone has tried to justify sin?

• Still waiting on the scripture that teaches us Satan steals the Gospel message from believers.
• Still waiting on the scripture that teaches us Satan steals God's word from believers.

JLB