There is no Second Coming

[whirlwind]

Preterist is just another religious term to box God in something religious men can get a hold of. Many of the things in God's Word have not occured yet. But what will occur in the future is His will being done on this earth, be it your earth, my earth or the WHOLE earth. My God looses nothing. Be it Satan or the Lake of Devine Purging or Hades. All of this things are for His glory and or what God has always intented for all creation. GOD cause the fall, Adam had no choice and neither do we; and God will restore, redeem the whole earth and all that is in it; that is His divine promise even thought religious man does not see it.

I love the word See in Luke 3:6: (Gk) with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable

So many in the religous real look at the word see and assume it means (NT:991, which denotes simply voluntary observation; and from) or (NT:4648 a watching from a distance); they claim you will only see the salvation of God; but turn on your spiritually understand and stop hearing what tradition is saying

See: Strong’s NT:3700

Well here is Luke 3:6

Luke 3: 6 (Amp) And all mankind shall see (behold and [a]understand and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God (the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).


BUT NO the word “see†is so relevant in our search for truth; religious men have hundreds of reasons to not see; you hear them all the time. Examples: that is not what my pastor teaches, this is so contrary to orthodoxy, my Bible says here is a hell so that means there is a hell. It is like Columbus who look out across the Atlantic and could see something beyond the ignorance of his time; God want us to see; singular; in other words

. The Jew’s are traditionalist; Christians should be mature spiritual sons with ears to hear and eyes to see beyond the carnal literal. See: with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable

See: Strong’s NT:3700

optanomai (op-tan'-om-ahee); a (middle voice) prolonged form of the primary (middle voice) optomai (op'-tom-ahee); which is used for it in certain tenses; and both as alternate of NT:3708; to gaze (i.e. with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable; and thus differing from NT:991, which denotes simply voluntary observation; and from NT:1492, which expresses merely mechanical, passive or casual vision; while NT:2300, and still more emphatically its intensive NT:2334, signifies an earnest but more continued inspection; and NT:4648 a watching from a distance):

Luke 3 (msg)
A Baptism of Life-Change
1-6 In the fifteenth year of the rule of Caesar Tiberiusâ€â€it was while Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea; Herod, ruler of Galilee; his brother Philip, ruler of Iturea and Trachonitis; Lysanias, ruler of Abilene; during the Chief-Priesthood of Annas and Caiaphasâ€â€John, Zachariah's son, out in the desert at the time, received a message from God. He went all through the country around the Jordan River preaching a baptism of life-change leading to forgiveness of sins, as described in the words of Isaiah the prophet:

Thunder in the desert!
"Prepare God's arrival!
Make the road smooth and straight!
Every ditch will be filled in,
Every bump smoothed out,
The detours straightened out,
All the ruts paved over.
Everyone will be there to see
The parade of God's salvation."


It is man who limit God, it s man who is in darkness be it religious, or carnal men who have not been called yet because it is God's timing is all that matters.

Benoni,
Would you consider yourself a Preterist? In that all the prophecies of the Bible were complete at the first Advent of Christ and the subsequent distrucion of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.?
Peace, Bubba

To SEE means to understand. :yes Reaching that conclusion (finally) brought greater understanding to me of several verses and it changed the meaning completely of what I first "saw" it to mean.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin, unto salvation.

In that particular verse (which was used earlier in this thread) the word "look" means "to expect" but the word "appear" is....Horao = to perceive with the eyes. It is used of bodily sight, and with special reference to the thought as to the object looked at. It is interesting to me to see a side notation in my Bible concerning the "looking for Him" and His appearing, with the following scripture....

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

It is the "sons of God" that look (expect) Him and I believe it also means that it is the sons of God that He "shall appear" in. However...I'm still contemplating, does that mean that as He comes in us and is us that He also doesn't come separately? With us, not within us but also with us...as a separate entity?

 

[follower of Christ]

... I have step on enough toes.

Agreed.

You should do a little open study on the trinity an look at its origins, this doctrine has only been around for about 200 years.

Sorry friend, but the concept is backed by the SCRIPTURES...a rose by any other name.

Yes they express ideas, be they right or wrong.
Those ideas are based on tradition and man’s religious teaching, not God’s Word.

Sorry but we've been PROVIDING GODS WORD for you in most cases...

God wants overcomers not escapist. We have been having an awesome spiritual battle so far; BUT the vast majority of the people on this forum get offended the first time I step on one of their false gods.

Save the martyr nonsense for someone else.
we get offended because of your distortions of the truth.

you just need to turn on his light not the preconceived way you have been taught. People like you are the ones I love to debate with because your heart is where it matters.

What *I* believe is based on many THOUSANDS of hours of study, friend...its hardly preconceived...

 

[Benoni]

Bubba

The “manifested sons of God†are the overcomer. They are the one God is going to use to restore humanity back to the Father. Let me show you another little hidden beauty in God’s Word.

The Tabernacle of David; here was a small tent where the Ark of God was brought to Mount Zion/Sion; how many times is this name mentioned in the NT. Zion was mentioned 152 times in OT; where Sion was mention 7 times in NT; sure this was David’s home Solomon etc; but is also a symbolism.

Zion was the natural home of King David who is a type of Christ in Natural Jerusalem. Mt Zion was the head of natural Kingdom; just as Spiritual Mt Zion is the Spiritual high place of Christ in the book of Revelation. David did not need to go to a priest; let alone a high priest to visit the Ark (or the glory of God) it was in a tent or tabernacle on his back porch at Mt Zion. This is a beautiful type which tells us myriads of what God is tying to tell us in the Spirit of the Word.

David was king; He was God’s anointed King; not like Saul who was also anointed by God; but chosen by the people; like many ministries in the church (little c) realm today. David was one of those special people God called, anointed and was one after God’s own heart. David lived in Jerusalem and Mount Zion (Sion); That is where the earthly anointed King lived and all His court; what a wonderful type of the ruler ship of the spiritual Mount Zion.

When David brought the Ark back to Mount Zion he wore an linen ephod, (In other word’s a priestly garment) David also offered burnt offerings to God as the High priest would on the Feast of Tabernacles. There was no high Priest; once a year at the Feast of Atonement at Zion; but David was an example of both King and Priest in that the Ark was not at Shiloh but Zion. No outer court, no holy place, no Levitical order. It is no wonder the Bible is full of pages written by David because of the influence of God’s Ark at Zion.

2 Samuel 6:
14And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
17And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD

Point being God is going to reestablish the Tabernacle of David in a called out people to become kings and priest unto God for the remainder of God’s people he has not called.

 

[Bubba]

Benoni,
We use terms to describe thoughts and beliefs, and in the case of those who call themselves Christian, these terms (labels) help us to know what beliefs others adhere to. Thus, if I use terms like “Partial Preterist, Amillennialist, no freewill and Universalist for myself, one can readily discern my Christian thoughts and position. That is why I asked if you might be a Preterist, because your writings seem to lean in that direction.
From what I have read, I would conclude that my thoughts on Christianity and my relationship with God may indeed be very similar to yours. So, I continue to read your posts looking for any new truth or better explanations to what I believe, with an open mind. Not too many years ago this would not have been the case and my demeanor would probably be very similar to the opposition you are experiencing on this forum currently.
Grace, Bubba

 

[Benoni]

Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'

Acts 15: 13-18 (Message) James broke the silence. "Friends, listen. Simeon has told us the story of how God at the very outset made sure that racial outsiders were included. This is in perfect agreement with the words of the prophets: After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house; I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing. "God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this

Acts 15: (Amp) 17So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,

Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,

Acts 15: 17 (NIRV) Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.' â€â€(Amos 9:11,12)

Now if the rest of men may seek the Lord, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing “, “ all the Gentiles , the “remainder of man kind are destroyed as you proclaim in the Lake of Devine Purging (Lake of Fire); then what about this promise.

 

[follower of Christ]

We need to understand that much of the language of the Bible is couched in symbolism, metaphors and allegories.

And we ALSO need to understand that not EVERYTHING in scripture has some allegorical meaning.
Jesus coming back in the clouds doesnt have to mean anything beyond what it states. It simply shows what WE will see from OUR view here on earth when He returns.
We dont have to mystify things in scripture that dont need to be...

 

[follower of Christ]

Benoni,
We use terms to describe thoughts and beliefs,
Grace, Bubba

Exactly.
Terms like 'Trinity' or 'Second coming' dont have to be in scripture for the CONCEPTS themselves to be very clearly presented therein.

 

[Benoni]

I understand

All who walk this walk have came out of Baby lon. I to once believed in eternal hell and the rapture; but why would God need to torture billions upon billions of people God cause to fall. My God is a savior not this ..... religion wants you to believe in.

Benoni,
We use terms to describe thoughts and beliefs, and in the case of those who call themselves Christian, these terms (labels) help us to know what beliefs others adhere to. Thus, if I use terms like “Partial Preterist, Amillennialist, no freewill and Universalist for myself, one can readily discern my Christian thoughts and position. That is why I asked if you might be a Preterist, because your writings seem to lean in that direction.
From what I have read, I would conclude that my thoughts on Christianity and my relationship with God may indeed be very similar to yours. So, I continue to read your posts looking for any new truth or better explanations to what I believe, with an open mind. Not too many years ago this would not have been the case and my demeanor would probably be very similar to the opposition you are experiencing on this forum currently.
Grace, Bubba

 

[Bubba]

Bubba

The “manifested sons of God†are the overcomer. They are the one God is going to use to restore humanity back to the Father. Let me show you another little hidden beauty in God’s Word.

The Tabernacle of David; here was a small tent where the Ark of God was brought to Mount Zion/Sion; how many times is this name mentioned in the NT. Zion was mentioned 152 times in OT; where Sion was mention 7 times in NT; sure this was David’s home Solomon etc; but is also a symbolism.

Zion was the natural home of King David who is a type of Christ in Natural Jerusalem. Mt Zion was the head of natural Kingdom; just as Spiritual Mt Zion is the Spiritual high place of Christ in the book of Revelation. David did not need to go to a priest; let alone a high priest to visit the Ark (or the glory of God) it was in a tent or tabernacle on his back porch at Mt Zion. This is a beautiful type which tells us myriads of what God is tying to tell us in the Spirit of the Word.

David was king; He was God’s anointed King; not like Saul who was also anointed by God; but chosen by the people; like many ministries in the church (little c) realm today. David was one of those special people God called, anointed and was one after God’s own heart. David lived in Jerusalem and Mount Zion (Sion); That is where the earthly anointed King lived and all His court; what a wonderful type of the ruler ship of the spiritual Mount Zion.

When David brought the Ark back to Mount Zion he wore an linen ephod, (In other word’s a priestly garment) David also offered burnt offerings to God as the High priest would on the Feast of Tabernacles. There was no high Priest; once a year at the Feast of Atonement at Zion; but David was an example of both King and Priest in that the Ark was not at Shiloh but Zion. No outer court, no holy place, no Levitical order. It is no wonder the Bible is full of pages written by David because of the influence of God’s Ark at Zion.

2 Samuel 6:
14And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
17And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD

Point being God is going to reestablish the Tabernacle of David in a called out people to become kings and priest unto God for the remainder of God’s people he has not called.

Benoni,
I have no problem with what you have written here. I believe that those with God's spirit are the Tabernacle of God and Christ is our King fulfilling the proprecy of Amos at the council of Jersulem in Acts. Where David was a type of The King to come and the Temple was a type of the true House of God, the Body of Christ, which in this age is us, the firstfruits of His Blessing of life.
Blessings, Bubba

 

[Paidion]

I agree that Christ has come to us in many ways, and that John 14 is all about His preparing places in the body for His disciples in which He and the Father would reside. That happened on that special day of Pentecost.

But it is also true, that Jesus is going to return in the same resurrected body in which He departed.

And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.†Acts 1:9-11

As Jesus was lifted up the disciples saw a cloud take Him out of their sight. Was that a cloud as we know a cloud? Or was it a group of people or angels? There is no reason to speculate that it was the latter. As a wise old Mennonite man said, "If the literal sense makes sense, then it makes no sense to take it in any other sense." The two men in white robes, most likely angels, told the disciples that Jesus would come in the same way as they saw Him go. In what way did they see Him go? They saw Him go in His resurrected body. Therefore He will come in His resurrected body!

Benoni wrote that Jesus came as lightning. That is not what was written in Matthew 24:27. First, the Greek word means "lighting" not "lightning". This is a broader term than "lightning", although it is sometimes used to refer to lightning. In one New Testament passage, it refers to the lighting which comes from a lamp.

Secondly, He doesn't come as lighting. Rather His coming is being compared to lighting. What lighting would that be?

Matthew 24:27 For as the lighting comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.

Matthew compares the coming of Christ to the lighting which comes from the east and shines as far as the west. It can refer only to the lighting of the sun. It is the sun that rises in the east and shines to the west. Lightning doesn't necessarily come from the east. It can come from any direction, and it doesn't shine to the west. Rather it flashes in any old direction.

When the sun rises and shines throughout the sky, everyone is aware of it. So will it be when Christ returns. It won't be a secret coming ---- a rapture. He won't be found in secret chambers or in the desert. Rather "Every eye shall see Him". All people will be just as aware of His presence as they are of the lighting from the sun.

 

[Benoni]

Amen. God is building His temple with in

There are many things hidden in God’s Word I love the lampstand in the Book of Revelation which I believe agrees with Isa. 11:2

Seven Spirits of God, awesome subject but in brief; here goes…

The lampstand in scripture had seven staffs attached to one staff; symbolic of seven spirits of God in Isaiah 11:2; but one God. The number seven is always used when speaking of divine completeness; here are a few examples: [Genesis 7:2, Isaiah 11:2, 7 Spirits of God, 7 churches, 7 days of creation]


God uses all theses types, shadows, symbolisms in scripture because we cannot see His reality as well as because of religious corrupt men have altered the truth. But the picture language of the Bible has unchangeableness where religious men did not understand what God’s Spirit was saying; so they cannot not altar God’s Word which they have so often in the past to promote their bias.

Look at the lamp stand:

A lamp is a light; just like Jesus; who is so often described as various types of light. I have always loved the concept of Jesus being “the bright and morning starâ€Â. In my words a tiny insignificant light in a very dark morning star; so often the only light out there; but with a promise of a new and glorious day; Rev. 22:16 proclaims: because I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

My icon on the top of my avatar used to be the lampstand which is symbolic of the seven spirits of God. The lamp stand was a piece of furniture that was in the Tabernacle in the wilderness as well all the temples; when God’s builds something it is more then just a piece of furniture; it is something where He hides those little mystery’s so we can learn His glory; who He really is. Like all the furniture in the temple there was always a much deeper and awesome meaning.

Lamp stand was made by beaten gold; that is the craftsman would literally beat the gold to desired shape. Gold is symbolic of divine life which takes trials and tribulations to accomplish.

Gold always speak of divinity, silver speaks of redemption; brass; judgment; and iron; will. The pearl is an interesting jewel; it only jewel I know of that a product of life. Then put these thoughts together and spin it with the verse below.

Matt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:


Back to the lampstand

Fire is symbolic of the purging power of Holy Spirit. Cloven Tongues of fire; God is a consuming fire; etc Everyday the priest would have to immerse the lamp in olive oil (symbolic of God’s anointing) and light the lamp with fire.

There are three places in the temple/tabernacle; outer court (also should mention the three feast (Basic salvation/Feast of Passover); Holy Place (Pentecost’s Feast of Pentecost) That is where the lamp stand was placed; the light was placed in the Holy Place for light. (not a lot of light but in a dark place and a long night; at least it is better then the outer court; where there was no light)

And then we come to the Holy of holies/ or Feast of Tabernacle) Here there is no lamp; and why should there be; for God’s Glory was all the light ever needed


This shows me a deeper abiding place in God; using OT types and symbolisms. In my Fathers house are many mansions; or Greek (abode) abiding place. So do you all have a different abiding place then me. My place is not to condemn that abiding place but to seek, ask and knock to know God in a deeper abiding place that I am now


Check out George Warnocks "Feast of Tabernacles", or Ray Prinzing's "Revelation a Positive Book" on the Web

Bubba

The “manifested sons of God†are the overcomer. They are the one God is going to use to restore humanity back to the Father. Let me show you another little hidden beauty in God’s Word.

The Tabernacle of David; here was a small tent where the Ark of God was brought to Mount Zion/Sion; how many times is this name mentioned in the NT. Zion was mentioned 152 times in OT; where Sion was mention 7 times in NT; sure this was David’s home Solomon etc; but is also a symbolism.

Zion was the natural home of King David who is a type of Christ in Natural Jerusalem. Mt Zion was the head of natural Kingdom; just as Spiritual Mt Zion is the Spiritual high place of Christ in the book of Revelation. David did not need to go to a priest; let alone a high priest to visit the Ark (or the glory of God) it was in a tent or tabernacle on his back porch at Mt Zion. This is a beautiful type which tells us myriads of what God is tying to tell us in the Spirit of the Word.

David was king; He was God’s anointed King; not like Saul who was also anointed by God; but chosen by the people; like many ministries in the church (little c) realm today. David was one of those special people God called, anointed and was one after God’s own heart. David lived in Jerusalem and Mount Zion (Sion); That is where the earthly anointed King lived and all His court; what a wonderful type of the ruler ship of the spiritual Mount Zion.

When David brought the Ark back to Mount Zion he wore an linen ephod, (In other word’s a priestly garment) David also offered burnt offerings to God as the High priest would on the Feast of Tabernacles. There was no high Priest; once a year at the Feast of Atonement at Zion; but David was an example of both King and Priest in that the Ark was not at Shiloh but Zion. No outer court, no holy place, no Levitical order. It is no wonder the Bible is full of pages written by David because of the influence of God’s Ark at Zion.

2 Samuel 6:
14And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
17And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD

Point being God is going to reestablish the Tabernacle of David in a called out people to become kings and priest unto God for the remainder of God’s people he has not called.

Benoni,
I have no problem with what you have written here. I believe that those with God's spirit are the Tabernacle of God and Christ is our King fulfilling the proprecy of Amos at the council of Jersulem in Acts. Where David was a type of The King to come and the Temple was a type of the true House of God, the Body of Christ, which in this age is us, the firstfruits of His Blessing of life.
Blessings, Bubba

 

[Bubba]

"Check out George Warnocks "Feast of Tabernacles", or Ray Prinzing's "Revelation a Positive Book" on the Web"

Benoni,
I just recently became acquainted with Ray Prinzing's writings and I did down load the paper "Revelation a Positive Book", but have not finished it. I will check out George Warnocks "Feast of Tabernacles".
Bubba

 

[walter]

Jesus came once, in the flesh. He lived, was crucified, died and was buried.
He rose and told His followers not to touch Him because He had "not yet ascended unto the Father."
Then, later, He told Thomas to touch him.

Hmmmmm.

It was against Hebrew law to touch a dead body without the proper procedures so that made sense, but then He has Thomas touch Him.

Could this mean that He ascended and then returned?

Perhaps "second coming" is inaccurate after all?

 

[Vic C.]

You should do a little open study on the trinity an look at its origins, this doctrine has only been around for about 200 years.

Sorry friend, but the concept is backed by the SCRIPTURES...a rose by any other name.... snip...

FoC, I agree 100% and would add that it have been around WAY longer than 200 years. But this isn't the proper arena for discussing Triune doctrine. Lord knows we have had SO much bickering on that already! :crazy

Anyway, Benoni, you quoted from The Message? That gets two :crazy :crazy

a REAL Bible. ;)

 

[parousia70]

Jesus came once, in the flesh. He lived, was crucified, died and was buried.
He rose and told His followers not to touch Him because He had "not yet ascended unto the Father."
Then, later, He told Thomas to touch him.

Hmmmmm.

Touch
Strongs #680
Haptomai
to fasten one's self to, adhere to, cling to

What's more correct is that Jesus told the women not to "CLING to Him" for he had not yet ascended.
He later told Thomas to thrust his fingers into his hands and side.

Jesus had still "not yet ascended to the Father" at the time of Thomas' "touching".

Thomas' "touch" and the womens "touch" are Not the same thing.

 

[Benoni]

The day you show me that God is made up of "three persons" using God's Word is the day I will agree with you. God is one.

God does not change.

[quote="follower of Christ":2nee7zdo]

You should do a little open study on the trinity an look at its origins, this doctrine has only been around for about 200 years.

Sorry friend, but the concept is backed by the SCRIPTURES...a rose by any other name.... snip...

FoC, I agree 100% and would add that it have been around WAY longer than 200 years. But this isn't the proper arena for discussing Triune doctrine. Lord knows we have had SO much bickering on that already! :crazy

Anyway, Benoni, you quoted from The Message? That gets two :crazy :crazy

a REAL Bible. ;)[/quote:2nee7zdo]

 

[Benoni]

AWESOME, I have been reading Ray for forty years.

"Check out George Warnocks "Feast of Tabernacles", or Ray Prinzing's "Revelation a Positive Book" on the Web"

Benoni,
I just recently became acquainted with Ray Prinzing's writings and I did down load the paper "Revelation a Positive Book", but have not finished it. I will check out George Warnocks "Feast of Tabernacles".
Bubba

 

[Vic C.]

The day you show me that God is made up of "three persons" using God's Word is the day I will agree with you. God is one.

God does not change....

Good for you, but did you not read this part of my post? :gah

But this isn't the proper arena for discussing Triune doctrine. Lord knows we have had SO much bickering on that already! :crazy

 

[walter]

Jesus came once, in the flesh. He lived, was crucified, died and was buried.
He rose and told His followers not to touch Him because He had "not yet ascended unto the Father."
Then, later, He told Thomas to touch him.

Hmmmmm.

Touch
Strongs #680
Haptomai
to fasten one's self to, adhere to, cling to

What's more correct is that Jesus told the women not to "CLING to Him" for he had not yet ascended.
He later told Thomas to thrust his fingers into his hands and side.

Jesus had still "not yet ascended to the Father" at the time of Thomas' "touching".

Thomas' "touch" and the womens "touch" are Not the same thing.

See, this is what I have a problem with. Word games. With all due respect, in either sense both definitions require touching the other person and why in the world would Jesus tell them to not be clingy? He had died and now He was alive! They were overcome with joy and our Lord would in no wise admonish them for that.
He let the apostle whom He loved lay his head on His shoulder. This sentiment to not love Him would be out of character for Him.

Anyway, that is not what this thread is about. Perhaps we can continue this another time?

 

[follower of Christ]

[quote="follower of Christ":2ekyrx7i]

You should do a little open study on the trinity an look at its origins, this doctrine has only been around for about 200 years.

Sorry friend, but the concept is backed by the SCRIPTURES...a rose by any other name.... snip...

FoC, I agree 100% and would add that it have been around WAY longer than 200 years. But this isn't the proper arena for discussing Triune doctrine. Lord knows we have had SO much bickering on that already! :crazy

Anyway, Benoni, you quoted from The Message? That gets two :crazy :crazy

a REAL Bible. ;)[/quote:2ekyrx7i]
I think, Vic, that you are really good at missing the point most of the time.
I think we all KNOW what the topic is here..kwim ?
The POINT is that the OP has made a huge deal about the PHRASE 'second coming' NOT being in scripture...just as TRINITY is not in scripture.
The POINT is being made that it is IRRELEVANT that 'TRINITY" isnt in scripture any more than 'SECOND COMING' in in there but BOTH concepts ARE in scripture.

Sometimes I think you see a post by FoC and just try to find a reason to correct me without even comprehending if the point is relevant or not.