There Is Only One Baptism With the Holy Spirit By Jesus Christ

[cyberjosh]

3. None of those verses say anything about "multiple baptisms" and hence, the Scholars also understand that, hence, the English translations do not mention it. Or are you claiming your Koine Greek is better than the Bible translator Scholars? Yes or No?

First of all it was "multiple fillings" in question as you yourself mentioned in your last post, not "multiple baptisms". I'm sure that was just a slip though. Secondly FC and I have pointed out we meant a single filling at different periods in time for the same people. Please see my post here: http://www.christianforums.net/f17/...rit-jesus-christ-38396/index9.html#post573087. Please don't ignore this, this particular discussion does not need to continue any further - because surely it is predicated on a misunderstanding.

For your convenience if you don't want to click on that post I will quote what I said at the bottom of the last page:

Former Christian is right. You must be thinking of a different definition of "multiple" and/or misunderstood what I meant. I did not, to clarify, mean multiple kinds of fillings. I meant a single filling mentioned in each of those verses is repeated for the same people or group again at another period of time later. Hence, if someone is filled once and then five chapters later that same person or group is said to be filled again on another occasion I would say they have been filled twice (and so on for each additional occasion), hence "multiple" times. I did say "multiple occasions" in that post you quoted - so that should have been clear to you. Read Former Christian's post. I believe he understood my point well. Why didn't you?

 

[cyberjosh]

2. What are your qualifications in Koine Greek and where were they attained?

Although addressed to FC, why does it matter? Meaning, what do you hope to prove? If it doesn't meet your standards or approval then what?

 

[Bonairos]

This Christian community already knows my “position in Christ”. Only you do not.

And that is? A simple answer would clarify this. Yet you still choose to evade. Hmmm.

It matters not whether I’m an Atheist, Buddhist, or a Christian.

Of course it does! And any Christian who states it doesn't matter is prone to deception.

Since my answer to your question is dependent on your answer to my question, and you won’t answer, then neither will I answer.

HAHAHA! You serious? You evade my question by posing another question. When I ask you to reply to my initial question (as to not chase rabbits), you respond with this? HAHAHA! And I'm to take your interpretation/opinion seriously?


The problem is, "How can (if not WHY would) anyone talk about/attempt to interpret the things of God (and that of the Holy Spirit!) when they previously stated that they DON'T believe in the existence of God in the first place??" (chasing rabbits?)


Not all believers are gullible. And perhaps (based on this dialog) that not all athiest are honest in identifying themselves as such.

Again I have no problem dialoging with an athiest, buddist, or whomever (it just makes it easier in HOW to receive and respond).

YET! I do have a problem (and so should other Christians) in doing so with someone who appears to have different agenda and belief(?) system and are not honest about it.

Call it discernment or call it a desire to communicate effectively. You decide.


Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

To learn scripture, no one needs to be qualified in anything. All you need is the Holy Spirit. As long as you think you have the understanding and wisdom in you because of your qualifications, you are not allowing the Holy Spirit to work in you.

So is that how you believe you have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the ENTIRE SCRIPTURE?

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

What would be the difference between a Christian with the Holy Spirit IN them versus the Holy Spirit being UPON them ?

Only a Christian can have the Holy Spirit IN them, in their eathen vessel.. right ?

Although I believe that the Holy Spirit could be 'pressing' UPON a person's mind and conscience without them being IN Christ..

Regardless, what would be the difference.. ? His Spirit is always 'consistent' isn't it ?

Everyone has a SPIRIT inside them, the lost and saved.

When someone is born, there is a SPIRIT placed INSIDE them. The Bible says without the SPIRIT the body is dead! It goes on to say in Ecc 12:7 that when a person dies the SPIRIT returns to God who gave it.

So which SPIRIT does the LOST have?

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

...HAHAHA! You serious? You evade my question by posing another question. ..

Get used to it Bonairos! 99% of posters on this forum will sidestep the questions we ask them, and instead post a question or insult you and desparetely try to change the topic. Very very very few people will give a DIRECT and HONEST answer!

The reason they do this is because we are asking them questions that they cannot answer honestly and directly without exposing their previous contradictions.

 

[Stormcrow]

To learn scripture, no one needs to be qualified in anything. All you need is the Holy Spirit.

I disagree. There is much in the Bible that needs to be understood through the lenses of history and culture that you simply will not understand by being filled with the Holy Spirit. There are threads in the End Times forum that amply illustrate this point.

Further, your own misstatement about Peter writing to Gentiles earlier in this thread demonstrates that even people who are sincere can be sincerely wrong.

If the Holy Spirit is all the believer needs to understand scripture, why so many Bible and Sunday schools???

Why does the Holy Spirit give the gift of teaching to some if all anyone needs is the Holy Spirit???

No one is adequate enough in their understanding of the Bible to say that they can understand it all without anyone else's help. Were that true, there would be no need for pastors, teachers, or even churches. 2

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

I disagree. There is much in the Bible that needs to be understood through the lenses of history and culture that you simply will not understand by being filled with the Holy Spirit. There are threads in the End Times forum that amply illustrate this point.

Further, your own misstatement about Peter writing to Gentiles earlier in this thread demonstrates that even people who are sincere can be sincerely wrong.

If the Holy Spirit is all the believer needs to understand scripture, why so many Bible and Sunday schools???..

In addition, WHY was the Bible written about so many teachings etc if everyone can already get perfect understanding about God and His teachings through the Holy Spirit. And why does Eph 4:11 say that some are given the gift of TEACHER if we don't need teachers and the Holy Spirit alone teaches us?

Felix claims he has INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture through the Holy Spirit, so why does he need to read Bible or teach anyone, seeing we don't need it and only need the Holy Spirit to teach us.

Felix seems very confused to me. I don't think he knows what to believe.

 

[cyberjosh]

Get used to it Bonairos! 99% of posters on this forum will sidestep the questions we ask them, and instead post a question or insult you and desparetely try to change the topic. Very very very few people will give a DIRECT and HONEST answer!

Be careful where you point the finger and how you judge people (John 7:24). Your figure is an exaggeration, and I can say that from experience from having been here for several years. And a discussion always has to go both ways. Don't always think it's the other person's fault (Romans 12:10; Philippians 2:3), and even if it is bear with them in patience as Scripture commands us (Ephesians 4:2).

Take care,
Josh

 

[felix]

In addition, WHY was the Bible written about so many teachings etc if everyone can already get perfect understanding about God and His teachings through the Holy Spirit. And why does Eph 4:11 say that some are given the gift of TEACHER if we don't need teachers and the Holy Spirit alone teaches us?

Felix claims he has INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture through the Holy Spirit, so why does he need to read Bible or teach anyone, seeing we don't need it and only need the Holy Spirit to teach us.

Felix seems very confused to me. I don't think he knows what to believe.

(John 14:26) But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Amen.

I believe His Word and He had never left me without understanding of what I need to know. His work is amazing and He explained me many things when I am ready and mature to absorb it. God didn't explain to His prophets how a nuclear bomb works or to Daniel how machines work when He showed the future.All that Christ taught me through the Holy Spirit is INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture. If you doubt it, you doubt me not but Holy Spirit and His Word.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Be careful where you point the finger and how you judge people (John 7:24). Your figure is an exaggeration, and I can say that from experience from having been here for several years. And a discussion always has to go both ways. Don't always think it's the other person's fault (Romans 12:10; Philippians 2:3), and even if it is bear with them in patience as Scripture commands us (Ephesians 4:2).

Take care,
Josh

Has your comments and advice ever applied to yourself? yes or no?

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

(John 14:26) But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Amen.

I believe His Word and He had never left me without understanding of what I need to know. His work is amazing and He explained me many things when I am ready and mature to absorb it. God didn't explain to His prophets how a nuclear bomb works or to Daniel how machines work when He showed the future.All that Christ taught me through the Holy Spirit is INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture. If you doubt it, you doubt me not but Holy Spirit and His Word.

In my entire life, I have only ever heard 2 people claim to have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture... YOU and the POPE!

Yet interestinly, when I asked you to explain to me WHO the BEAST IS exactly, what the MARK is and WHO will get it and WHY, you told me you do not know that yet. So seeing you claim to have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture, and NOT KNOW who the BEAST IS or the MARK etc, it's obvious you are very confused about your position.

 

[felix]

In my entire life, I have only ever heard 2 people claim to have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture... YOU and the POPE!

Yet interestinly, when I asked you to explain to me WHO the BEAST IS exactly, what the MARK is and WHO will get it and WHY, you told me you do not know that yet. So seeing you claim to have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture, and NOT KNOW who the BEAST IS or the MARK etc, it's obvious you are very confused about your position.

Did you really read what I posted? I am not sure about you, but Holy Spirit interprets perfectly to me making me understand what I have to, to walk in paths of righteousness.

Is Mark of the beast your benchmark? I already told you it's the number of a man. You never replied which what part you can't understand.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Did you really read what I posted? I am not sure about you, but Holy Spirit interprets perfectly to me making me understand what I have to, to walk in paths of righteousness.

Is Mark of the beast your benchmark? I already told you it's the number of a man. You never replied which what part you can't understand.

Yes Felix, I have read everything you have posted, and you have on numerous occasions told me that you have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture. And as I mentioned earlier, I have never ever in my entire life heard anyone make that claim besides YOU and the POPE!

And in reference to the Mark of the Beast... WHO IS THE MAN and how does the number 666 refer to that MAN? And what exactly IS the MARK and WHO will get it and WHY?

Please explain this to me seeing you have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture.

Thank you Felix, I look forward to your post.

 

[felix]

Yes Felix, I have read everything you have posted, and you have on numerous occasions told me that you have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture. And as I mentioned earlier, I have never ever in my entire life heard anyone make that claim besides YOU and the POPE!

And in reference to the Mark of the Beast... WHO IS THE MAN and how does the number 666 refer to that MAN? And what exactly IS the MARK and WHO will get it and WHY?

Please explain this to me seeing you have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture.

Thank you Felix, I look forward to your post.

Whenever I reply, I always say the understanding is through the Holy Spirit and it is He who teaches. However, you are saying something that I said so... which I never said. For instance, I can't even find the word 'Holy Spirit' in your statement claiming to be said by me. Why are you trying to say something which I never said, then trying to prove something based on what you say that I said, which has nothing to do with my post or what I actually said. I can't understand what are you trying to prove?

 

[Stormcrow]

All that Christ taught me through the Holy Spirit is INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture. If you doubt it, you doubt me not but Holy Spirit and His Word.

Originally Posted by felix
Further Peter is writing this letter to common people who are Gentiles as in 1Pet 1:1.

Not to derail this thread too far, but Peter was writing to Jewish believers of the diaspora, just as James was:

{1} Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia...1 Peter 1:1 (NASB)

Peter would not have referred to Gentiles living in their own homelands as "resident aliens." Further, Peter's greeting is consistent with James 1:1:

{1} James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings. James 1:1 (NASB)

Finally, Paul tells us in Galatians to whom he and Peter were sent as apostles:

{7} But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised {8} (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), {9} and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. Galatians 2:7-9 (NASB)

Peter was an apostle to the Jews, and the greeting of I Peter 1:1 reflects that fact, just as was the case with James.

Stormcrow, agreed! :nod

All that Christ taught me through the Holy Spirit is INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture. If you doubt it, you doubt me not but Holy Spirit and His Word.

Infallible? Perfect?

I'm just wondering how the H.S. could have mislead you into believing Peter was writing to Gentiles in his greeting, since you claim to be taught by the Holy Spirit and can - therefore - never be wrong.

In the meantime, perhaps you can harmonize these verses with your position:

{28} And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 1 Corinthians 12:28 (NASB)

{11} And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, {12} for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; Ephesians 4:11-12 (NASB)

Good luck.

 

[felix]

Infallible? Perfect?

I'm just wondering how the H.S. could have mislead you into believing Peter was writing to Gentiles in his greeting, since you claim to be taught by the Holy Spirit and can - therefore - never be wrong.

In the meantime, perhaps you can harmonize these verses with your position:

{28} And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 1 Corinthians 12:28 (NASB)

{11} And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, {12} for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; Ephesians 4:11-12 (NASB)

Good luck.

All that Christ taught me through Holy Spirit, is very much different from what I write and post which is through my spirit for which I am responsible. If you agree you have the Holy Spirit and yet you sin, does that mean .. God sins through you?

 

[Eventide]

Everyone has a SPIRIT inside them, the lost and saved.

I know that, although we're talking about God's Spirit, the Holy Spirit. Unsaved people do not have the Spirit of Christ in them.. people receive the Holy Spirit after the trust in Christ, after hearing the gospel, and after they believe.

That's what being born again is, having Christ's Spirit born in you.

When someone is born, there is a SPIRIT placed INSIDE them. The Bible says without the SPIRIT the body is dead! It goes on to say in Ecc 12:7 that when a person dies the SPIRIT returns to God who gave it.

So which SPIRIT does the LOST have?

Certainly not the Spirit of Christ..

Although what does any of this have to do with what I asked.. ie, what difference would there be for a Christian to have the Spirit of God IN them as compared to UPON them ?

 

[cyberjosh]

Has your comments and advice ever applied to yourself? yes or no?

Yes, and honestly I tried being very patient and as polite as possible in my posts to you and I tried to correct a misunderstanding between us but you haven't responded to most of those posts. I'm willing to just let it go though, since our conversation wasn't really going anywhere.

I'm sorry it turned out like it did. My biggest point was that I never said "Greek context" and that you must have misunderstood my intent. I apologize if it was my initial lack of clarity that caused the problem to begin with.

God Bless,
~Josh

 

[francisdesales]

In my entire life, I have only ever heard 2 people claim to have INFALLIBLE PERFECT INTERPRETATION and PERFECT UNDERSTANDING of the entire Scripture... YOU and the POPE!

The Pope doesn't make that claim.

I don't think Felix made that claim, either.

Regards