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These Signs Will Follow Those Who Believe (Mark 16:17)

hawkman said:
Amen ! :goodpost

Having the mulligrubs and saying woe is me is no place to be !
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Where is the house of fools ? ( where is their place to be?)


Ecclesiastes 7:2 It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.
3 Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.
4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.
 
gordon777 said:
Where is the house of fools ? ( where is their place to be?)


Ecclesiastes 7:2 It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.
3 Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.
4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.
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Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
 
Alfred Persson said:
Perfect? Before God began drawing me to Himself, I begged for coin to get high on drugs. When I sing "saved a wretch like me", I mean it.
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That is interesting. You become perfect by going on drugs and begging for money and singing saved a wretch like me. Can you show me in scripture where it says that?

I am wondering if you use a different bible because mine says no one is perfect.
 
Alfred Persson said:
When I was deceived by experiences, i too ignored the bible. The more a person follows their experences, the less they follow the Bible. That is implicit in Paul's words bolded below:

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace,
17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work. (2 Thess. 2:9-17 NKJ)
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How do you follow your experiences?
 
andy pandy said:
That is interesting. You become perfect by going on drugs and begging for money and singing saved a wretch like me. Can you show me in scripture where it says that?

I am wondering if you use a different bible because mine says no one is perfect.
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If you want this world a better place, it's time to start believing in perfection.



Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Matthew 21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
gordon777 said:
If you want this world a better place, it's time to start believing in perfection.



Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Matthew 21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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Try answering the question
 
andy pandy said:
Try answering the question
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I answered, if anyone asks questions it is because they are an unbeliever.( they are unaware of the reason of hope of the Lord in you.)


1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
 
gordon777 said:
If you want this world a better place, it's time to start believing in perfection.



Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Matthew 21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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I wonder if you use a different bible to mine as mine says no one is perfect. It is the same in all 10 translations I have
 
gordon777 said:
I answered, if anyone asks questions it is because they are an unbeliever.( they are unaware of the reason of hope of the Lord in you.)


1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16)
 
gordon777 said:
Are you asking questions to avoid strifes, or gender them..


2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
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Translation: "But reject foolish and ignorant controversies, because you know they breed infighting." Timothy 2:23 NET, "Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels." ESV, "But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels." NASB

Why don't you follow your own advice? It seems that all you do is breed quarrels.
 
gordon777 said:
I answered, if anyone asks questions it is because they are an unbeliever.( they are unaware of the reason of hope of the Lord in you.)


1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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You could not be so wrong. Asking questions is the key to learning not to show they are an unbeliever. I know what I am talking about being a retired teacher. My classes knew they could stop me and ask a question at any time. It only showed they wanted to be sure they understood what I was saying.
 
"There is "another spirit" that can do powerful works and make it seem like its in Christ's name:"

There is something someone holding the lawless one back from doing lying wonders. That being said there is no demon, fallen angel that can do the works that Christ did and what ever believer today can do. Christ told us a kingdom divided against its self will fall. God does not cause any kind of sickness and then heal if so then His kingdom will fall. Satan comes to kill steal and destroy. Yes I know heard Satan has some counterfeit gift for all God has. Not written praise GOD.

The thing I think so many do not understand is as our brothers said about that name and faith in that name. That NAME will always work. Its w fake some fake can stand up there and we see wonders happen. People come they believe have faith in that name and it will always work!

Doubt...its being spoke written here. If we doubt were like a ship tossed back and forth on the waves. Let not that man think he will get anything from God. Now if we know our Father hears us.. KNOW He hears us then we know we have the petitions we asked for. Ever think about that? So you prayed asked and you know He heard you yet you do not have it. Hmm seems someone said something like this. What ever you desire when you pray believe you receive it you shall have it. All of this always comes back to faith which we think we have yet we do not. If we do not have faith in for the simple things we never will for the huge things problems that come in this life.

So those signs will always follow them that believe. They are happening today around those that believe. DIdn't say since that which is perfect is come. Says when that which is perfect is come. So look around you and then judge how God works or you read what He said and just believe. YOU are not doing anything.. so if you expect to see because you are doing it.. it will never happen. Peter and John our brothers told us.. why look at us as if we did this by our own power? That name faith in that name made this man rise in walk. Yeah they spoke that name reached down and pulled him up. Do you have that faith? Well work your faith.. start small. Just shhh and read don't think about it just believe and watch what He can do. Its ALWAYS Him and HIM alone that gets oooh YES all the glory and praise. ASK HIM don't believe a word I say..
 
Blade said:
"There is "another spirit" that can do powerful works and make it seem like its in Christ's name:"

There is something someone holding the lawless one back from doing lying wonders. That being said there is no demon, fallen angel that can do the works that Christ did and what ever believer today can do. Christ told us a kingdom divided against its self will fall. God does not cause any kind of sickness and then heal if so then His kingdom will fall. Satan comes to kill steal and destroy. Yes I know heard Satan has some counterfeit gift for all God has. Not written praise GOD.

The thing I think so many do not understand is as our brothers said about that name and faith in that name. That NAME will always work. Its w fake some fake can stand up there and we see wonders happen. People come they believe have faith in that name and it will always work!

Doubt...its being spoke written here. If we doubt were like a ship tossed back and forth on the waves. Let not that man think he will get anything from God. Now if we know our Father hears us.. KNOW He hears us then we know we have the petitions we asked for. Ever think about that? So you prayed asked and you know He heard you yet you do not have it. Hmm seems someone said something like this. What ever you desire when you pray believe you receive it you shall have it. All of this always comes back to faith which we think we have yet we do not. If we do not have faith in for the simple things we never will for the huge things problems that come in this life.

So those signs will always follow them that believe. They are happening today around those that believe. DIdn't say since that which is perfect is come. Says when that which is perfect is come. So look around you and then judge how God works or you read what He said and just believe. YOU are not doing anything.. so if you expect to see because you are doing it.. it will never happen. Peter and John our brothers told us.. why look at us as if we did this by our own power? That name faith in that name made this man rise in walk. Yeah they spoke that name reached down and pulled him up. Do you have that faith? Well work your faith.. start small. Just shhh and read don't think about it just believe and watch what He can do. Its ALWAYS Him and HIM alone that gets oooh YES all the glory and praise. ASK HIM don't believe a word I say..
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While I basically agree with what you have written, it is a poor idea to base any doctrine on the "long ending" of Mark's gospel. It is most certainly an addition to the original, since the style of writing is quite different from Mark's style.

Writing "So those signs will always follow them that believe" is taken from Mark 16:17-18, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." KJV It is dangerous to "take up serpents" and believe that "if they [anyone] drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them.”
 
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