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These Signs Will Follow Those Who Believe (Mark 16:17)
- Thread starter Alfred Persson
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Correction. Your INTERPRETATION of scripture is your authority.
Incorrect. He didn't know them at all, period. They were workers of lawlessness, but that not why Jesus didn't know them.
The point is, as Jesus didn't know them they didn't do any of the supernatural works by the Spirit of Christ.
There is "another spirit" that can do powerful works and make it seem like its in Christ's name:
For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-- you may well put up with it! (2 Cor. 11:4 NKJ)
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1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant:
2 You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led.
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:1-3 NKJ)
Paul warned the Corinthians, who once were Experiencers led by evil spirits---(ὡς ἂν ἤγεσθε, ἀπαγόμενοι) "however ye were led". The Greek implies they were led like animals to the slaughter, anywhere the spirits wanted, even unto thinking dumb idols could hear prayer and speak!
That means their ability to think critically, evaluate facts and arrive at common sense solutions, was completely subverted. They followed their experiences, demon inspired experiences.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (1 Tim. 4:1 KJV)
Paul warns:
"Don't be fooled again by spiritism"----by those claiming to speak by the Spirit of Christ. Test them while under the influence of "the Spirit", if they say "Jesus is accursed" that is NOT the Holy Spirit speaking:
1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant:
2 You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led.
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:1-3 NKJ)
We are commanded to test the spirits (1 John 4:1)
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. (2 Cor. 2:11 KJV)
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As a general comment, the cessationist has got a lot of explaining to do to those who have experienced a miracle from the Lord. I have read of, seen, and experienced miracles so I KNOW that the gifts have NOT ceased. I remember one case which I have never forgotten.
It involved two American nurses working in Africa. They were working in a very primitive hospital to help as best they could and who you would not call charismatic in any way.
One day an African mother turned up with her dead baby in her arms. She said to them "This is my baby and he has died. I have taken him to the witch doctor and he could not help him. if your God can bring him alive I will follow him all my life."
The two nurses were quite put out because they had never prayed for anyone to be brought back from the dead. So it was a case of what do we do? After a chat and a prayer to God for his divine intervention, they told the lady they would pray for her son.
They put the baby on a table, laid hands on him, and prayed. Much to their surprise, the little boy came back to life. Of course the mother was overjoyed, became a believer and threw herself into the life of the church.
It involved two American nurses working in Africa. They were working in a very primitive hospital to help as best they could and who you would not call charismatic in any way.
One day an African mother turned up with her dead baby in her arms. She said to them "This is my baby and he has died. I have taken him to the witch doctor and he could not help him. if your God can bring him alive I will follow him all my life."
The two nurses were quite put out because they had never prayed for anyone to be brought back from the dead. So it was a case of what do we do? After a chat and a prayer to God for his divine intervention, they told the lady they would pray for her son.
They put the baby on a table, laid hands on him, and prayed. Much to their surprise, the little boy came back to life. Of course the mother was overjoyed, became a believer and threw herself into the life of the church.
Please note that it says SOME. Not all. The fact that it says some means there were others who did not depart from the faith and did not give heed to seducing spirits or doctrines of devils. They obviously gave heed to spirits that were not seducing and doctrines that were not from the devil.
If we are commanded to test the spirits, then it is very clear some spirits are good and some are not. It seems to me that we are being advised to keep clear of those spirits that are not from God and go with the Spirits that are from God. Because of that instruction, I prefer not to throw the baby out with the bathwater as you tend to do.
And if they do not say Jesus is accursed, they say Jesus is Lord, then that is the Holy Spirit speaking.
In that case, those that he did know did do works by the spirit of Christ.
That means there are those that are not another spirit who do powerful works in Christ's name
And if they say Jesus is Lord, that is the Holy Spirit speaking.
You obviously have overlooked the fact that he said you WERE gentiles, not ARE gentiles carried away by dumb idols.
You don't need to test the spirits if there are not good and bad.
At our annual conference, the ability to think critically, evaluate facts and arrive at common sense solutions was unnecessary.
I was working with another minister who spoke on the subject of Rejection. He explained what it was and how it affected people and how they could be set free from it. He invited people to come forward for prayer and he started at one end of the line and I started at the other end.
When I stood in front of the first person to pray for them, I realized I has no idea what to pray. So I just stood there and waited for God to speak. The words "He breaks the power of canceled sin and sets the prisoner free" came into my mind so that is what I prayed. The person went down under the power of the spirit so did the next one and the next one as I prayed those words. With the next one, I prayed the words partially and they were down as did the next few. As for the final few, the power of God was so powerful all I had to do was stand in front of them and they went down.
I understand that this is foreign to you as I did not have to engage my mind to do some critical thinking, evaluate facts and come to common sense solutions. All I did was ask the Lord for the words to pray and as a result of faith in him, people were set free. As it says in scripture "without faith it is impossible to please God" it does not say without critical thinkiing, evaluating facts and coming to common sense solutions it is impossible to please God.
You give the impression that we are ignorant of his devices. We are only afraid of him when we are ignorant. When we are not, we have nothing to worry about. A rule of thumb in warfare is to know your enemy. I have engaged in spiritual warfare in several areas and have never been afraid as I took the time and trouble to know the enemy.
I don't know where you got the "You may well put up with it" bit from. My bibles say and you welcome it with open arms.
So that means that if a person speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus Lord he is dinky-di.
So that means that if someone says Jesus is Lord then we have nothing to worry about.
Now that I have done an exegesis of your post and corrected your arguments, you will see (I hope) how deficient you were in your explanation. Dragging out some verses and only presenting one side of things is NOT good exegesis. In fact, it won't pass the pub test or any other test for that matter.
I have got the feeling that you consider yourself an expert on scriptural analysis, whereas the very opposite is true, My senior lecturer at Bible College was a converted Jew and at university was a professor of linguistics specializing in Greek and Hebrew and I know for sure that if I presented you work as a paper my mark would be about 10%.
I have got the feeling that you consider yourself an expert on scriptural analysis, whereas the very opposite is true, My senior lecturer at Bible College was a converted Jew and at university was a professor of linguistics specializing in Greek and Hebrew and I know for sure that if I presented you work as a paper my mark would be about 10%.
Your opinion and experiences are not exegesis.
As for the lecturer, Present my post etc. to him for evaluation.
You will again learn by experience Experiencer's feelings are usually wrong.
Any sound evaluation of the facts proves nothing exists today among charismanics that even remotely looks like this, where EVERYONE IS HEALED:
12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.
13 And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them.
14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)
15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.
16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one. (Acts 5:12-16 KJV)
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No one claims that everyone is healed.