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These Signs Will Follow Those Who Believe (Mark 16:17)

andy pandy said:
So that means that if someone says Jesus is Lord then we have nothing to worry about.
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That's correct, If prophesying by the Holy Spirit, while the prophet is totally "in the Spirit", if he confesses Jesus Christ is LORD, that is the Holy Spirit speaking.

But the test must be done while the person is totally "in the Spirit", otherwise like any human, he can lie and say anything he chooses.
 
andy pandy said:
I don't know where you got the "You may well put up with it" bit from. My bibles say and you welcome it with open arms.
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KJV 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.



NKJ 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-- you may well put up with it!



YLT 2 Corinthians 11:4 for if, indeed, he who is coming doth preach another Jesus whom we did not preach, or another Spirit ye receive which ye did not receive, or other good news which ye did not accept -- well were ye bearing it,



RPTE 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus, whom we did not proclaim, or if you receive a different spirit, which you did not receive, or a different "good news", which you did not accept, you put up with that well enough.



BBE 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if anyone comes preaching another Jesus from the one whose preachers we are, or if you have got a different spirit, or a different sort of good news from those which came to you, how well you put up with these things.



NET 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus different from the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the one you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it well enough!



NIV 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.



BGT 2 Corinthians 11:4 εἰ μὲν γὰρ ὁ ἐρχόμενος ἄλλον Ἰησοῦν κηρύσσει ὃν οὐκ ἐκηρύξαμεν, ἢ πνεῦμα ἕτερον λαμβάνετε ὃ οὐκ ἐλάβετε, ἢ εὐαγγέλιον ἕτερον ὃ οὐκ ἐδέξασθε, καλῶς ἀνέχεσθε.


The apodosis of the conditional sentence, καλῶς ἀνέχεσθε, “you put up with it well enough” (BAGD 401c), “you are marvellously tolerant” (TCNT), is harsh but ironical (cf. καλῶς in Mark 7:9).81 But behind the irony is profound disquiet—distress that the Corinthians so readily accepted novelty and elevated form over content, manner over matter. -Harris, M. J. (2005). The Second Epistle to the Corinthians: a commentary on the Greek text (p. 745). W.B. Eerdmans Pub. Co.; Paternoster Press.

ps: This last, is exegesis.
 
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Alfred Persson said:
KJV 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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When I read that verse, I usually add the word "accidently" at the end.
But I like your study that included the "tolerate" portion.
Tolerate without confronting the author(ity) of another Jesus, spirit, gospel.
 
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Hopeful said:
When I read that verse, I usually add the word "accidently" at the end.
But I like your study that included the "tolerate" portion.
Tolerate without confronting the author(ity) of another Jesus, spirit, gospel.
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Irony is easy to miss without visual cues of a speaker.
 
Alfred Persson said:
That's correct, If prophesying by the Holy Spirit, while the prophet is totally "in the Spirit", if he confesses Jesus Christ is LORD, that is the Holy Spirit speaking.

But the test must be done while the person is totally "in the Spirit", otherwise like any human, he can lie and say anything he chooses.
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And what is that test?
 
Hopeful said:
If you have no personal examples of "churches" wherein God has quit honoring the name of Jesus Christ, you come off as just an agitator sewing doubt.
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Sorry Hopeful, If you want a rational and proven quote from Peirson you will have to keep hoping.
 
Hopeful said:
If you have no personal examples of "churches" wherein God has quit honoring the name of Jesus Christ, you come off as just an agitator sewing doubt.
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You lost me. God always honors His Son. But I'll refrain from pointing to any particular church as "the best," all of them either are growing in Christ or becoming apostate. In every major denomination. I'll let God sort them out. My authority isn't any particular church, its the Word of God Holy Scripture.
 
andy pandy said:
And what is that test?
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There are two tests of a prophet that will work ONLY when the prophet is speaking "by the Spirit". If he's just making stuff up like many Charismania prophets, it won't work. They can lie about anything, including whether they believe Jesus is LORD (1 Cor. 12:3) or that He came in the flesh (1 John 4:3).

The "spirit" speaking through the prophet is being tested. John warns we must test the spirit speaking through a prophet because many false prophets exist. While they speak, they can be commanded to confess Jesus Christ "is come in the flesh" (the Incarnation of the Eternal Son of God). If its the Holy Spirit of Truth He will certainly confess it. If its a demon lying about its identity, it cannot confess this truth. That's how we can know the difference between the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of error.

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. (1 Jn. 4:1-6 KJV)

Those inspired by spirits of error do NOT "hear (obey) scripture truth the apostles taught", their rebellion against God's Word is also how we know the spirit inspiring a "prophet", if its God the Holy Spirit or a lying spirit.

Satan cannot cast out Satan. Demons will not inspire obedience to God's truth, that is the opposite of what they do.

An Antichrist spirit is a spirit who assumes the guise of Christ (or light, righteousness, etc), to oppose Christ.

For more on these things:
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Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.(1 Jn. 4:1 NKJ) I had an "out of body" experience where the illusion I had traveled to heaven was very real, but Scripture implies Demons can "download" a...
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andy pandy said:
Sorry Hopeful, If you want a rational and proven quote from Peirson you will have to keep hoping.
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What have I ever said that is "irrational"? Copy paste it here, with enough of the context so we can read it for ourselves.

To judge whether you bear false witness or not.
 
Alfred Persson said:
What have I ever said that is "irrational"? Copy paste it here, with enough of the context so we can read it for ourselves.

To judge whether you bear false witness or not.
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One I have no intention of giving you the mileage and exposure you seem to need and whether I bear false witness of not is another one of your whacky ideas to bolster your superior attitude.
 
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