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Hi for_his_glory

I believe the 7 year tribulation is a reference to Daniel's explanation of the final seven that many believe is yet to unfold. I happen to be one of them, but that's where it stems from. The angel speaking to Daniel explains that there will be a final seven of the 70 sevens. He breaks them down into groups. The first being 7 sevens when the wall will be rebuilt in troublous times. Then the 62 sevens which will see Messiah here with us. But there is yet a final seven and that's where we find that the great days of tribulation will likely be 3 1/2 years and 3 1/2 years. Starting with a decree or proclamation or some kind of treaty to be made. Much similar to the beginning point of Daniel's prophecy of when the 70 sevens clock would start. A decree was to be issued to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.

But I think that's where the 7 years of tribulation comes from. It could be more or less.

God bless,
Ted
Sorry about the length, but there are things that need explained in full.

The seven year great tribulation, which is not found anywhere in scripture, was derived by mans misinterpretation of Daniel 9:24-27. This is what the Bible clearly reveals about the seventy weeks. From vs.24 to vs.27 was seventy weeks or 490 days (490 prophetic years when you add a day for a year principle), beginning with Ezra, Ezra chapter 1-6, rebuilding the temple to the time of the Messiah (Jesus Christ) being fulfilled in His birth, death and resurrection. In a sense it was a literal and spiritual temple that was being built. Ezra was teaching the people of the spiritual temple of God that indwelled in all that believed in God and of the coming of Messiah. There was actually a four hundred year span from Ezra till the birth of Jesus that God shut himself off from Israel because of their transgressions towards the Lord, Malachi Chapter 4, but saved a remnant that would believe in the coming of Messiah, Isaiah 10. As still today, God still waits for National Israel to repent and believe in the name of Jesus as they still follow Judaism.

Daniel 9:24-27 the Vision of the Seventy Weeks

Vs. 24 this verse shows us that the timing from Ezra to the cross was 490 days (490 Prophetic years) as within that time Ezra was reestablishing the law in Jerusalem until Jesus had fulfilled the end of transgression, made an end to sin, made reconciliation for iniquity and bring everlasting righteousness and to seal up the prophecy to fulfill parts of the law through the cross.

Vs. 25 from the time of the cross, which also means the last days, which includes what some like to separate and call The Great Tribulation, which is not mentioned anywhere in scripture and is not a separate event after the elect of God are caught up, but as the last days so we are in tribulation times until the end of the world as we know it, Acts 2:17; Hebrews 1:1,2; Matthew 24:4-31; Mark 13:24-31; Luke 21:5-36. These are just some of the scriptures that support that we will go through all things of Rev Chapter 6-21. Everyone will have opportunity to come unto salvation through Jesus Christ if they would only believe until the door of salvation is closed when Jesus calls us and we meet him in the clouds, which after this time no one can be saved, Matthew 25:10.

Vs.26 after 434 years that end in the year AD29 shall Messiah be cut off. Jesus was crucified after he was baptized in AD 29 three and a half years later. Jesus was cut off (killed) by the people of the Romans under Vespasian their prince that the Pharisees, Sanhedrin and the high priest who have favor with that destroy the city and the sanctuary (meaning Christ) and the end thereof shall be with a flood (Gods wrath) that will put an end to abominations by desolation or in other words a ruin to evil deeds. Daniel 9:27 explains the definitions of desolation of abominations or the ruin of evil deeds. There is no actual Desolations of Abominations where a so called Antichrist (emphasis on the capitol "A") will take a literal throne, but the desolation will be when the son of perdition, being the false prophet/last antichrist, tries to take his throne in Jerusalem, Daniel 11:36-45. Gods word never defines one great Antichrist, but says there are many antichrists, 1John2:18; 11 Thessalonians 2:1-12; Revelation 11:7. The seven years that some call the seven year tribulation means three and a half years beginning with the first six seals being the beginning of sorrows (first woe). The last three and a half years starting with the (second woe) with the sounding of the first trumpet and ending with the seventh trumpet that includes everything else written in Revelations that includes the time of Christ return for His Bride in Rev 19 up to the end when Satan is cast into the lake of fire with the beast and the false prophet and ends with the new Jerusalem being ushered down as then we will be with the Lord forever.

Vs.27 the 70th seven began with Christ baptism in AD 29 and three years later at the end of the first half of the 70th seven sacrifices and offering ceased because Christ hung on the cross. From the giving of the law in 458BC when Ezra went to establish the law, or to rebuild the spiritual city right to the cross where the first 69 sevens. The 70th seven is from the time of the cross until Jesus comes back in the air to call his Bride home and for the overspreading of abominations he will make desolate, or make an end to all who would not believe.

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times. The last siege and destruction of the 2nd Temple and the wall was in 70AD as a revolt led by Titus as he broke through the walls and destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem. The wall and the Temple were never rebuilt, nor will it be in the future. The Temple mount laid waste until the Dome of the Rock was built on it in 691AD by the caliph Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan. The Islamic control over the Dome of the Rock will never surrender the original temple mount back to the Jews.

The last decree to build and restore Jerusalem, including the building of the second Temple that took 49 days/49 prophetic years, came around 538BC with the decree given to Ezra by King Cyrus. Through much oppositions the city, walls and the second Temple were completed on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of King Darius II around 417BC as he reigned from 423BC to 404BC, Ezra Chapter 1-6. This was part of the vision given to Daniel as the full prophecy given to him is found in Daniel Chapters 9-12.

During the first six trumpets we read all the destruction that will befall earth and its inhabitants during God's great wrath being poured out into the world on those who are none of Christ as they refuse to repent. This will be worldwide which will cause much chaos and great fear in the hearts of those who have no understanding, Hosea 4:6, 7. They will be seeking a type of savior, yet rejecting the very Savior, Christ Jesus, who wants to save them.

During the sounding of the seventh trumpet they will accept this deceptive savior who is the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, who will take his seat in Jerusalem on the very Temple Mount where the Dome of the Rock sits and even now is being refurbished for the son of perdition to take his literal seat. He will try and rule the nations for 3 1/2 years causing all to bow down and take its mark as he promises peace and safety displaying lying signs and wonders claiming he is God. Those who refuse will be taken captive and dealt with as many Christians will either become a slave or die a martyr's death, Rev 13.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21, At the end of the 3 1/2 years of the beast and its false prophet, Christ returns with His army (warring angels) from heaven and fights the final battle destroying the beast and false prophet by the sword (word) of His mouth and the brightness of His coming, 2 Thessalonians 2:8, casting both into the lake of fire. Then will Christ destroy the remnant being those who followed after the beast out of the earth from every nation that have always followed and obeyed the beast.

Rev 19,20 This is the time of the gathering of the saints when Christ sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather all who are His that are asleep in the grave and alive at His coming, Matthew 24:29-31 as He then binds Satan for a time so he can not interfere with the gathering. Once we are gathered to Him Jesus lets Satan loose for a time to gather his army, which I believe to be his demonic angels, against the camp of the saints, but God consumes his army by fire sent down from heaven and Satan is then cast into the lake of fire. All those who have now been slain by Jesus are gathered with the rest of the dead and face God's final judgment as their names are not found written in the Lamb's book of life and are cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
 
If we cannot interpret the words "thousand years" why would we think our interpretation has any value? .
One can only understand the thousand years when one has Spiritual knowledge given them by the Holy Spirit.

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)
 
If we are still alive when the son of perdition takes his literal seat in Jerusalem we have been told by Jesus in Matthew 24:15-21 to flee as no matter where we go God will provide for our needs like He did with the water, Quail and manna in the wilderness as we read in Exodus 16. This will be our greatest time of a greater faith and trust in God.
Amen!
 
One can only understand the thousand years when one has Spiritual knowledge given them by the Holy Spirit.

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)
Exactly . "as is" in being figurative and not literal as is denotes a "parable" the signified understanding is in view through the whole Book called hidden manna in chapter 2:17

Just as informed in the introduction to the whole book verse 1

Revelation 1King James Version1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

It the kind of ear he gives to hear his understanding (gospel hidden)- manna what is it?

Revelation 1King James Version 17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
 
There is no actual Desolations of Abominations where a so called Antichrist (emphasis on the capitol "A") will take a literal throne, but the desolation will be when the son of perdition, being the false prophet/last antichrist, tries to take his throne in Jerusalem, Daniel 11:36-45. Gods word never defines one great Antichrist, but says there are many antichrists, 1John2:18; 11 Thessalonians 2:1-12; Revelation 11:7.

I would offer seeking after a sign a fulfillment Christ called a evil generation natural unconverted mankind that has no faith coming from God does seek after the things seen rather than prophecy .The foundation of Paganism out of sight out of mind as in . . Who believes in a god no one can see? First example Cain buried under Abel having no interest in the spiritual not seen things of God.Abel the first apostles sent with the word of God first recorded martyr. Like all saints the blood cries out longing to be clothed with the incorruptible . . that all die not receiving.

Human nature demands a sign before they believe Out side of that they have thier imagination of a hard heart again no faith as it is written None not little .he gives us little of His the golden measure (unknown)

An example of those who seek after a sign before they will beleive.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
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John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

No sign other than the sign of the times was given (history repeating itself because of moral issues the cause of the rise and fall of any nation to include the Jewish nation

The son of perdition or called the man of sin is satan the antichrist (singular ) he works to deceive antichrists (plural or legion many) men who do the will of the spirit of lies Satan called false prophets false apostles .

Peter is used to demonstrate how the one spirit of the antichrist works in the legion of antichrists false teachers God rebuked him given word to his prophet jesus the Son of man and the unseen Lord said get behind me not seen and not Peter used as one of the antichrists seen.

Satan the accuser is the god of lying signs to wonders deceiving mankind day and night. Wonder is not believing its wondering hoping for something visual to complete wonder is a form of doubt its why jesus told Nicodenmus a sign and wonder seeker . In regard to the greatest possible miracle a man must be born from above the commandment "marvel not" but rather beleive.

Mathew 16: 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter was forgen of his blasphemy against the Son of man jesus blasphemy against the Holy Father not seen . .no forgiveness

The abomination of desolation (temple built with human hans a a will of men was made to desolate in Mathew 23 . Notice is made as a mark of the word of God what he says comes to pass not will be .

Mathew 23:38-39 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Continuing despite the unnecessary chapter break when they walked out the disciples that were trusting in the things seen the tempol corruptible as a sign .Must of thought Jesus had his eyes closed/ in the twinkling of the that parable represents Christ on a high mountain to signify all the kinds of this world habe become the kingdoms of God then he explained no sign other than the sign of times

24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (the blink of the eye )And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

All one event coming the end the last day under the Sun

The 7th seal its the end of time under the Sun looking back to genesis the beginning.

Revelation 11:15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

With that in mind . . when looking at the parable (chapter 20) we must look at all the metaphors that make up the gospel hid in parables.

The key is in the phrase "should deceive all the nations" to include the Jewish nation, as to its timing In that way I would offer when the veil was rent. . . the time of reformation ( Hebrew 9) There was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies .Satan could no longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man . . he fell from that aspect of deceiving all the nations but as the accuser of the brother day and night

24 /7 until the last day under the Sun

Revelations 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years (a unknown) should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The Amil "no literal thousand years" a metaphor works the best
 
I would offer seeking after a sign a fulfillment Christ called a evil generation natural unconverted mankind that has no faith coming from God does seek after the things seen rather than prophecy .The foundation of Paganism out of sight out of mind as in . . Who believes in a god no one can see? First example Cain buried under Abel having no interest in the spiritual not seen things of God.Abel the first apostles sent with the word of God first recorded martyr. Like all saints the blood cries out longing to be clothed with the incorruptible . . that all die not receiving.

Human nature demands a sign before they believe Out side of that they have thier imagination of a hard heart again no faith as it is written None not little .he gives us little of His the golden measure (unknown)

An example of those who seek after a sign before they will beleive.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
I
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

No sign other than the sign of the times was given (history repeating itself because of moral issues the cause of the rise and fall of any nation to include the Jewish nation

The son of perdition or called the man of sin is satan the antichrist (singular ) he works to deceive antichrists (plural or legion many) men who do the will of the spirit of lies Satan called false prophets false apostles .

Peter is used to demonstrate how the one spirit of the antichrist works in the legion of antichrists false teachers God rebuked him given word to his prophet jesus the Son of man and the unseen Lord said get behind me not seen and not Peter used as one of the antichrists seen.

Satan the accuser is the god of lying signs to wonders deceiving mankind day and night. Wonder is not believing its wondering hoping for something visual to complete wonder is a form of doubt its why jesus told Nicodenmus a sign and wonder seeker . In regard to the greatest possible miracle a man must be born from above the commandment "marvel not" but rather beleive.

Mathew 16: 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter was forgen of his blasphemy against the Son of man jesus blasphemy against the Holy Father not seen . .no forgiveness

The abomination of desolation (temple built with human hans a a will of men was made to desolate in Mathew 23 . Notice is made as a mark of the word of God what he says comes to pass not will be .

Mathew 23:38-39 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Continuing despite the unnecessary chapter break when they walked out the disciples that were trusting in the things seen the tempol corruptible as a sign .Must of thought Jesus had his eyes closed/ in the twinkling of the that parable represents Christ on a high mountain to signify all the kinds of this world habe become the kingdoms of God then he explained no sign other than the sign of times

24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (the blink of the eye )And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

All one event coming the end the last day under the Sun

The 7th seal its the end of time under the Sun looking back to genesis the beginning.

Revelation 11:15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

With that in mind . . when looking at the parable (chapter 20) we must look at all the metaphors that make up the gospel hid in parables.

The key is in the phrase "should deceive all the nations" to include the Jewish nation, as to its timing In that way I would offer when the veil was rent. . . the time of reformation ( Hebrew 9) There was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies .Satan could no longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man . . he fell from that aspect of deceiving all the nations but as the accuser of the brother day and night

24 /7 until the last day under the Sun

Revelations 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years (a unknown) should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The Amil "no literal thousand years" a metaphor works the best
Could you simplify this as you are all over the place and a very confusing long read.
 
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Could you simplify this as you are all over the place and a very confusing long read.
Thanks I can try. If a person does not obey the hermeneutic needed to rightly divide the last chapter of the book of prophecy as a overview of history where all the metaphors used in parables come together to give the eternal vision

Revelation 1 King James Version1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The key is both inspired sent and signified the prophecy .Signified prophecy is the language of parables called hidden manna in 2:17

In that way the literal measure does not win over the spiritual unseen called the golden measure .The thousand years metaphor is used to represent Gods work is not subject to time . . he finished it all in six days . Not six thousands years.or six thousand generation when the metaphor thousand used with generation.

The first three time is is clearly used as a parable to represent a unknow not revealed for a certain purpose

Because it is used six time in one parable Chapter 20 it not make it a literal sign to seek after . Its why Jesus said no sign to wonder after was given we walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand yearsi n thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as (not is) a thousand years, and a thousand years as (not is) one day.
 
Thanks I can try. If a person does not obey the hermeneutic needed to rightly divide the last chapter of the book of prophecy as a overview of history where all the metaphors used in parables come together to give the eternal vision

Revelation 1 King James Version1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The key is both inspired sent and signified the prophecy .Signified prophecy is the language of parables called hidden manna in 2:17

In that way the literal measure does not win over the spiritual unseen called the golden measure .The thousand years metaphor is used to represent Gods work is not subject to time . . he finished it all in six days . Not six thousands years.or six thousand generation when the metaphor thousand used with generation.

The first three time is is clearly used as a parable to represent a unknow not revealed for a certain purpose

Because it is used six time in one parable Chapter 20 it not make it a literal sign to seek after . Its why Jesus said no sign to wonder after was given we walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand yearsi n thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as (not is) a thousand years, and a thousand years as (not is) one day.
So all the line from Adam to Noah lived a metaphor and not literally hundreds of years?
 
Thanks I can try. If a person does not obey the hermeneutic needed to rightly divide the last chapter of the book of prophecy as a overview of history where all the metaphors used in parables come together to give the eternal vision

Revelation 1 King James Version1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The key is both inspired sent and signified the prophecy .Signified prophecy is the language of parables called hidden manna in 2:17

In that way the literal measure does not win over the spiritual unseen called the golden measure .The thousand years metaphor is used to represent Gods work is not subject to time . . he finished it all in six days . Not six thousands years.or six thousand generation when the metaphor thousand used with generation.

The first three time is is clearly used as a parable to represent a unknow not revealed for a certain purpose

Because it is used six time in one parable Chapter 20 it not make it a literal sign to seek after . Its why Jesus said no sign to wonder after was given we walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand yearsi n thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as (not is) a thousand years, and a thousand years as (not is) one day.

What you need to understand is that time is either from God's perspective or from mankind's perspective and time is relative to that perspective (which science has proven).

In Jewish thought, Creation begins at the start of the first day, but time, from man's point of view, begins on day 6, when Adam receives his "neshama" (soul). Moshiach (the Messiah) must come by no later than the year 6,000, but that calendar begins with Adam, not with the beginning of Creation (the universe).

Since Yeshua (Jesus) is the promised Messiah from Jewish scriptures, we need to understand this.
 
Thanks I can try. If a person does not obey the hermeneutic needed to rightly divide the last chapter of the book of prophecy as a overview of history where all the metaphors used in parables come together to give the eternal vision

Revelation 1 King James Version1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The key is both inspired sent and signified the prophecy .Signified prophecy is the language of parables called hidden manna in 2:17

In that way the literal measure does not win over the spiritual unseen called the golden measure .The thousand years metaphor is used to represent Gods work is not subject to time . . he finished it all in six days . Not six thousands years.or six thousand generation when the metaphor thousand used with generation.

The first three time is is clearly used as a parable to represent a unknow not revealed for a certain purpose

Because it is used six time in one parable Chapter 20 it not make it a literal sign to seek after . Its why Jesus said no sign to wonder after was given we walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand yearsi n thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as (not is) a thousand years, and a thousand years as (not is) one day.
Revelation was given to John in visions as prophecies that had their beginnings in the Old Testament, being fulfilled in the New Testament and yet much to be fulfilled in future events before the great and terrible day of the Lords return.

Revelations is given to all nations and tongues that live throughout the whole world as in Jew and Gentile. Israel is mainly mentioned, but not all of Israel is Gods chosen people. Those who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are joined as a branch with Israel as God is the root of that branch and those who are sealed by His Holy Spirit are His own who find favor in Him, Romans 11:11-31. Therefore, our attention needs to be on those things that are happening in Israel especially Jerusalem as being Gods Holy City.

Revelations is full of symbolism that is literal where it needs to be and Spiritual where it needs to define that of the literal. These revelations are given as a warning to those who have yet to accept Jesus as Messiah. Gods chastisements are to draw those back to him in repentance before that door of salvation is closed forever when Jesus returns and Gods true Church is gathered up to be with the Father forever.

The focus in Revelations would seem to center around Israel only and the nations that come against her for this is how John would recognize it to be since all other nations were not yet developed in his time. Revelations is about all of us, Jew and Gentile, past, present and future that by faith keep Gods commandments. We are Gods witnesses that testify of His mercy and grace as we take His word out into the world to those who have ears to hear.

The Disciples who sat with Jesus on the Mt. of Olives in Matthew 24:3 asked Him three questions, when shall these things be, what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? These three questions are now revealed to us as the Spirit of God has revealed them to John who told him to write these visions down and give them to the Church for instruction and understanding.

Rev 1:1-3
God gave these revelations to Jesus first and then he passed it onto John through a ministering angel through visions as God reveals those things that have to come to pass before the return of Jesus. The revelations are for the Church in John’s time plus every generation from that time on until Jesus returns in the air to gather up his Bride to the clouds as they receive their new glorified bodies and meet Jesus in the air, 1Corinthians 15:5-58; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18.
 
The bride of Christ as first member was Abel the prophet apostle and first recorded martyr, the second born God setting up his born again plan shown in the genealogy of the generation of Christ Mathew

I see the idea of the temporal use of a Jew a little differently. God choice to temporally use the Jew in parables as figures to show he is not served by human hands . met its end at the time of the first century reformation spoken of in Hebrews9 .

1 Samuel 8 . . . The outward Jew had become completely removed from Christ unseen reigning with them. No god in their dark hearts They demanded of Samuel an inward Jew the prophet sent as a apostle. . in thier jealousy a king like all the other pagan atheist nations of the world the pagn foundation no God of the scriptures working in thier heats

God said to his prophet its not you they reject as king but me the unseen Kings of kings . God gave them over until the time or reformation . He then restored the order of Judges men and women prophets from all the nations of the world renaming his bride previously Israel to Christians a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations Christian with no other meaning added .Residents of the city of Christ named after her husband prepared for his wife the church

Putting an end to the abomination of desolation (Kings in In Israel)

God had renamed his bride Christian.
First of all this thread is not about the Bride of Christ or Samuel and his sons so please stay on topic. Secondly I have no idea of what you are talking about as you seem to be mixing up bits and pieces of scriptures making no point that I can understand as you are not even using any scripture.

There is no need to explain this, but to get back to the topic of the OP. Thank you.
 
The focus temporally was was about Israel previously Jacob the deceiver .

Originally from Genesis. . the focus the whole world

The focus was on the second born to signify born again Abel who passed the spiritual seed eventually to Jacob .
Esua like Cain saw no value in the unseen eternal things of God . Esau sold the born again birthright to Jacob for a cup of hairy goat soup of the day .

Christian literally meaning "residents of the city of Christ prepared for his bride the church". The promised name the father named his bride in Acts .

Just as promised in Isaiah 62 a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world .gentile as well as Jew . . same bride

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh (to include Jewish), but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man (Jew or Gentile) have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
We are getting off topic with our conversation as this thread is about the thousand year, so if you want to pursue this further please start a new thread and tag me into it. Anymore off topic replies will be deleted as being off topic. You have a good day.
 
We are getting off topic with our conversation as this thread is about the thousand year, so if you want to pursue this further please start a new thread and tag me into it. Anymore off topic replies will be deleted as being off topic. You have a good day.
Thanks, Sorry
 
A thousand year day makes sense to me.

The battle has already been won. A lot goes on at the Resurrection / judgement.

When everything physical is burned up; is time not ended?

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I too go along with the "a thousand years is a day" but most do not apply it across the board they use it in certain places.
 
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Sorry about the length, but there are things that need explained in full.

The seven year great tribulation, which is not found anywhere in scripture, was derived by mans misinterpretation of Daniel 9:24-27. This is what the Bible clearly reveals about the seventy weeks. From vs.24 to vs.27 was seventy weeks or 490 days (490 prophetic years when you add a day for a year principle), beginning with Ezra, Ezra chapter 1-6, rebuilding the temple to the time of the Messiah (Jesus Christ) being fulfilled in His birth, death and resurrection. In a sense it was a literal and spiritual temple that was being built. Ezra was teaching the people of the spiritual temple of God that indwelled in all that believed in God and of the coming of Messiah. There was actually a four hundred year span from Ezra till the birth of Jesus that God shut himself off from Israel because of their transgressions towards the Lord, Malachi Chapter 4, but saved a remnant that would believe in the coming of Messiah, Isaiah 10. As still today, God still waits for National Israel to repent and believe in the name of Jesus as they still follow Judaism.

Daniel 9:24-27 the Vision of the Seventy Weeks

Vs. 24 this verse shows us that the timing from Ezra to the cross was 490 days (490 Prophetic years) as within that time Ezra was reestablishing the law in Jerusalem until Jesus had fulfilled the end of transgression, made an end to sin, made reconciliation for iniquity and bring everlasting righteousness and to seal up the prophecy to fulfill parts of the law through the cross.

Vs. 25 from the time of the cross, which also means the last days, which includes what some like to separate and call The Great Tribulation, which is not mentioned anywhere in scripture and is not a separate event after the elect of God are caught up, but as the last days so we are in tribulation times until the end of the world as we know it, Acts 2:17; Hebrews 1:1,2; Matthew 24:4-31; Mark 13:24-31; Luke 21:5-36. These are just some of the scriptures that support that we will go through all things of Rev Chapter 6-21. Everyone will have opportunity to come unto salvation through Jesus Christ if they would only believe until the door of salvation is closed when Jesus calls us and we meet him in the clouds, which after this time no one can be saved, Matthew 25:10.

Vs.26 after 434 years that end in the year AD29 shall Messiah be cut off. Jesus was crucified after he was baptized in AD 29 three and a half years later. Jesus was cut off (killed) by the people of the Romans under Vespasian their prince that the Pharisees, Sanhedrin and the high priest who have favor with that destroy the city and the sanctuary (meaning Christ) and the end thereof shall be with a flood (Gods wrath) that will put an end to abominations by desolation or in other words a ruin to evil deeds. Daniel 9:27 explains the definitions of desolation of abominations or the ruin of evil deeds. There is no actual Desolations of Abominations where a so called Antichrist (emphasis on the capitol "A") will take a literal throne, but the desolation will be when the son of perdition, being the false prophet/last antichrist, tries to take his throne in Jerusalem, Daniel 11:36-45. Gods word never defines one great Antichrist, but says there are many antichrists, 1John2:18; 11 Thessalonians 2:1-12; Revelation 11:7. The seven years that some call the seven year tribulation means three and a half years beginning with the first six seals being the beginning of sorrows (first woe). The last three and a half years starting with the (second woe) with the sounding of the first trumpet and ending with the seventh trumpet that includes everything else written in Revelations that includes the time of Christ return for His Bride in Rev 19 up to the end when Satan is cast into the lake of fire with the beast and the false prophet and ends with the new Jerusalem being ushered down as then we will be with the Lord forever.

Vs.27 the 70th seven began with Christ baptism in AD 29 and three years later at the end of the first half of the 70th seven sacrifices and offering ceased because Christ hung on the cross. From the giving of the law in 458BC when Ezra went to establish the law, or to rebuild the spiritual city right to the cross where the first 69 sevens. The 70th seven is from the time of the cross until Jesus comes back in the air to call his Bride home and for the overspreading of abominations he will make desolate, or make an end to all who would not believe.

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times. The last siege and destruction of the 2nd Temple and the wall was in 70AD as a revolt led by Titus as he broke through the walls and destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem. The wall and the Temple were never rebuilt, nor will it be in the future. The Temple mount laid waste until the Dome of the Rock was built on it in 691AD by the caliph Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan. The Islamic control over the Dome of the Rock will never surrender the original temple mount back to the Jews.

The last decree to build and restore Jerusalem, including the building of the second Temple that took 49 days/49 prophetic years, came around 538BC with the decree given to Ezra by King Cyrus. Through much oppositions the city, walls and the second Temple were completed on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of King Darius II around 417BC as he reigned from 423BC to 404BC, Ezra Chapter 1-6. This was part of the vision given to Daniel as the full prophecy given to him is found in Daniel Chapters 9-12.

During the first six trumpets we read all the destruction that will befall earth and its inhabitants during God's great wrath being poured out into the world on those who are none of Christ as they refuse to repent. This will be worldwide which will cause much chaos and great fear in the hearts of those who have no understanding, Hosea 4:6, 7. They will be seeking a type of savior, yet rejecting the very Savior, Christ Jesus, who wants to save them.

During the sounding of the seventh trumpet they will accept this deceptive savior who is the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, who will take his seat in Jerusalem on the very Temple Mount where the Dome of the Rock sits and even now is being refurbished for the son of perdition to take his literal seat. He will try and rule the nations for 3 1/2 years causing all to bow down and take its mark as he promises peace and safety displaying lying signs and wonders claiming he is God. Those who refuse will be taken captive and dealt with as many Christians will either become a slave or die a martyr's death, Rev 13.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21, At the end of the 3 1/2 years of the beast and its false prophet, Christ returns with His army (warring angels) from heaven and fights the final battle destroying the beast and false prophet by the sword (word) of His mouth and the brightness of His coming, 2 Thessalonians 2:8, casting both into the lake of fire. Then will Christ destroy the remnant being those who followed after the beast out of the earth from every nation that have always followed and obeyed the beast.

Rev 19,20 This is the time of the gathering of the saints when Christ sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather all who are His that are asleep in the grave and alive at His coming, Matthew 24:29-31 as He then binds Satan for a time so he can not interfere with the gathering. Once we are gathered to Him Jesus lets Satan loose for a time to gather his army, which I believe to be his demonic angels, against the camp of the saints, but God consumes his army by fire sent down from heaven and Satan is then cast into the lake of fire. All those who have now been slain by Jesus are gathered with the rest of the dead and face God's final judgment as their names are not found written in the Lamb's book of life and are cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Does Rev 21:1 refer to Rev 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
 
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I too go along with the "a thousand years is a day" but most do not apply it across the board they use it in certain places.
as a day denotes a metaphor used in parables to represent a unknown .He will come and go like a thief in the night on the last day under the Sun

No sign were given to wonder after. It's a evil generation natural unconverted mankind that does lust after one .false pride builders......Out of sight mind. . .no God in thier hearts . . called fools

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The wrath of God. Rather than worshiping the eternal unseen Holy Spirit, mankind worshiped the things created above that of our unseen Holy God . The veil was rent the shadows disappeared there was not Jewish man as King of kings and Lord of lord Satan fel no longer able to deceive all the nations of the world A gospel explosion Men, woman, Jew and Gentile one body the bride the time of reformation restoring the order before thier were kings in israel men and women prophets as apostles called Judges declaring the gospel

Kings in Israel the abomination of desolation mankind making the word of God as it is writen to no effect with the oral tradition of dying mankind.

Psalm 90:4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 
What convinced me the thousand year day was literal, was how one video pointed to how the Lord told Adam & Eve not to eat of the tree of Knowledge lest they die in that day. That never made sense to me until the thousand year day teaching showed how no man lived beyond a thousand years. Only then did the verse fit like a hand to a glove. Then the Jewish calendar fits as well. The Word shows no cosmic abstract symbolism needed.
 
What convinced me the thousand year day was literal, was how one video pointed to how the Lord told Adam & Eve not to eat of the tree of Knowledge lest they die in that day. That never made sense to me until the thousand year day teaching showed how no man lived beyond a thousand years. Only then did the verse fit like a hand to a glove. Then the Jewish calendar fits as well. The Word shows no cosmic abstract symbolism needed.
What do you do with the words "as if it was" ? Not as it is..

The word thousand is used that way as a unknown not revealed throughout. Like God own the cattle of a thousand hills (every hill all the cattle)

Or a thousand generations. If one day is a thousand of 40 year generations do the math. If Moses’ era was around 1400 BCE, we are nearing 86 generations since the time of Moses on the 40 year cycle.

1000 take away 86.???
 
as a day denotes a metaphor used in parables to represent a unknown .He will come and go like a thief in the night on the last day under the Sun

No sign were given to wonder after. It's a evil generation natural unconverted mankind that does lust after one .false pride builders......Out of sight mind. . .no God in thier hearts . . called fools

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The wrath of God. Rather than worshiping the eternal unseen Holy Spirit, mankind worshiped the things created above that of our unseen Holy God . The veil was rent the shadows disappeared there was not Jewish man as King of kings and Lord of lord Satan fel no longer able to deceive all the nations of the world A gospel explosion Men, woman, Jew and Gentile one body the bride the time of reformation restoring the order before thier were kings in israel men and women prophets as apostles called Judges declaring the gospel

Kings in Israel the abomination of desolation mankind making the word of God as it is writen to no effect with the oral tradition of dying mankind.

Psalm 90:4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
I did not ask about a sign