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I would offer yet you seek after one calling a literal thousand year a literal day .and not as a day as written that's a sign a parable must be rightly divided .
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Thousand year day teachings gaining steam
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I would offer yet you seek after one calling a literal thousand year a literal day .and not as a day as written that's a sign a parable must be rightly divided .
I realize that the 1000 years is as one day to the Lord may not be 100% correct. It is obvious back then the word million or billion did not exist. they only used thousands and 10 thousands to describe millions. For all we know 1,000,000 years are as 1 day t the Lord. In either case The sun and moon which actuates the 24 hour day was not created until day #4. The previous days could/may have been 1000 years or 1,000,000 years each.
Let me ask all of you this question. When Jesus returns and we are all caught up to Him then why would we have to wait another literal thousand years before the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord for all eternity?
imo When the Rapture occurs the 24 hour time will still be in effect. When I said in Gen 1 the 1000 yr is like a day; could/mayy only apply to the first 4 days anfte day for the 24 hour time started. th 2 hour time is maintained/regulated by the sun and moon the first 4 days there were no sun or moon.
TheDeafMan
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When plain sense makes sense make no other sense. In other words, 1,000 years means exactly that, 1,000 years. 1,000 years of 360+/- days.
I wonder if I am one of the all of you?
I am being quiet. I am Trying to be quiet.
The ability to be caught up with the Lord for all eternity, was accomplished by Jesus on the cross and his subsequent resurrection, and……
Our ability to spread this news happened at Pentecost. Part of the Heavenly Gift moved in our direction (started coming down.)
Sent by the Father
Accomplished by the Son
Empowered by the Spirit
I personally am for it being finished.
This thread has a title. This thread has an Original Post, by the Original Poster. It sure gets confused as to what is discussed in a hurry. LOL
For me to continue to wrangle will not help.
eddif
Here is what the problem is with what you are saying or even that of a pretrib Rapture, even though it is only your opinion. Read these verses carefully and think about what you are reading as Christ returns on the last day as we, alive and in the grave, are caught up to meet Him in the air. (Don't want to make this about a pretrib as that's another topic.)
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.
Those who reign with Christ are those souls that had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. In Revelations 6:9-11, are the souls of martyrs who had been slain for the word of God under an altar crying for vengeance. In Rev 20:4 the martyrs are on thrones. The difference between these scriptures is God's judgment has already come to those certain martyrs. The victory came in the spiritual realm of God, not the physical, and God assured their victory.
John was shown in a vision those souls that already had the victory over death as being in Christ. When we who are of Christ die before His return God has already passed judgement on us and we have the victory in Christ over that of the second death, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57. Those who are not of Christ will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. There is only one resurrection, but two judgements, John 5:28, 29. Those in Christ are raised first as those still alive at His coming will be gathered and caught up together to meet Christ in the air to be with Christ for eternity, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The rest are then raised for their judgement as rejecting Christ and there forever have their place in the lake of fire. Rev 20:4 says nothing about Jesus coming to this earth and establishing a worldly kingdom at Jerusalem.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)
Topics like this can lead to many directions since it pertains to the end of days. We don't have to have all the details figured out, but just to only be prepared that when Jesus returns we will be the part that is caught up to Hi.
Scripture is literal where it needs to be and symbolic where it needs to be as we see much of this in the book of Revelation, but if you dig deeper, compare scripture with scripture, chapter by chapter and book by book it all fills in the puzzle that is placed before it.
I may not have said it clearly enough or you missed it. I posted that I understand the 1000yr verse in 2 Pet 3:8 may or may not be a 1000 yr day. Sorry for not being clear.
My beliefs or understanding does not have be identical to yours. an I suggest to you put those books down and experience some life its short.
Closing this thread temporarily for clean up as there is to much off topic replies. Will reopen after clean up. Please stay on topic of the OP.
This thread is now reopened. All replies are to be addressed to that of the 1000 years. Any post not pertaining to that will de deleted. Please stay on topic.
Thanks does that apply to the signified as well as the literal?
It applies to the literal and symbolic of the 1000 years in Revelation 20:1-10
Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.
Those who reign with Christ are those souls that had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. In Revelations 6:9-11, are the souls of martyrs who had been slain for the word of God under an altar crying for vengeance. In Rev 20:4 the martyrs are on thrones. The difference between these scriptures is God's judgment has already come to those certain martyrs. The victory came in the spiritual realm of God, not the physical, and God assured their victory.
John was shown in a vision those souls that already had the victory over death as being in Christ. When we who are of Christ die before His return God has already passed judgement on us and we have the victory in Christ over that of the second death, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57. Those who are not of Christ will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. There is only one resurrection, but two judgements, John 5:28, 29. Those in Christ are raised first as those still alive at His coming will be gathered and caught up together to meet Christ in the air to be with Christ for eternity, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The rest are then raised for their judgement as rejecting Christ and there forever have their place in the lake of fire. Rev 20:4 says nothing about Jesus coming to this earth and establishing a worldly kingdom at Jerusalem.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)
Those who reign with Christ are those souls that had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. In Revelations 6:9-11, are the souls of martyrs who had been slain for the word of God under an altar crying for vengeance. In Rev 20:4 the martyrs are on thrones. The difference between these scriptures is God's judgment has already come to those certain martyrs. The victory came in the spiritual realm of God, not the physical, and God assured their victory.
John was shown in a vision those souls that already had the victory over death as being in Christ. When we who are of Christ die before His return God has already passed judgement on us and we have the victory in Christ over that of the second death, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57. Those who are not of Christ will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. There is only one resurrection, but two judgements, John 5:28, 29. Those in Christ are raised first as those still alive at His coming will be gathered and caught up together to meet Christ in the air to be with Christ for eternity, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The rest are then raised for their judgement as rejecting Christ and there forever have their place in the lake of fire. Rev 20:4 says nothing about Jesus coming to this earth and establishing a worldly kingdom at Jerusalem.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)
daninthelionsden
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I don't think they mean every instance of time mentioned in the Word has the thousand year day principle applying. Only time in heaven applies not on Earth.
What is your source for this as the 1000 years is only mentioned one time in scripture found in Rev 20.
I do not believe in a pretrib Rapture, but that needs to be another thread.
What about the symbolism of 1000 years?
TheDeafMan
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There is no symbolism. 1000 years means exactly that, 1,000 360+/- day years.