Thousand year day teachings gaining steam

[Mr. G Lee]

I did not ask about a sign

Hi
I would offer yet you seek after one calling a literal thousand year a literal day .and not as a day as written that's a sign a parable must be rightly divided .

 

[Thekjv]

Hi
I would offer yet you seek after one calling a literal thousand year a literal day .and not as a day as written that's a sign a parable must be rightly divided .

I realize that the 1000 years is as one day to the Lord may not be 100% correct. It is obvious back then the word million or billion did not exist. they only used thousands and 10 thousands to describe millions. For all we know 1,000,000 years are as 1 day t the Lord. In either case The sun and moon which actuates the 24 hour day was not created until day #4. The previous days could/may have been 1000 years or 1,000,000 years each.

 

[for_his_glory]

Let me ask all of you this question. When Jesus returns and we are all caught up to Him then why would we have to wait another literal thousand years before the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord for all eternity?

 

[Thekjv]

Let me ask all of you this question. When Jesus returns and we are all caught up to Him then why would we have to wait another literal thousand years before the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord for all eternity?

imo When the Rapture occurs the 24 hour time will still be in effect. When I said in Gen 1 the 1000 yr is like a day; could/mayy only apply to the first 4 days anfte day for the 24 hour time started. th 2 hour time is maintained/regulated by the sun and moon the first 4 days there were no sun or moon.

 

[TheDeafMan]

When plain sense makes sense make no other sense. In other words, 1,000 years means exactly that, 1,000 years. 1,000 years of 360+/- days.

 

[eddif]

Let me ask all of you this question. When Jesus returns and we are all caught up to Him then why would we have to wait another literal thousand years before the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord for all eternity?

I wonder if I am one of the all of you?

I am being quiet. I am Trying to be quiet.

The ability to be caught up with the Lord for all eternity, was accomplished by Jesus on the cross and his subsequent resurrection, and……

Our ability to spread this news happened at Pentecost. Part of the Heavenly Gift moved in our direction (started coming down.)

Sent by the Father
Accomplished by the Son
Empowered by the Spirit

I personally am for it being finished.

This thread has a title. This thread has an Original Post, by the Original Poster. It sure gets confused as to what is discussed in a hurry. LOL

For me to continue to wrangle will not help.

eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

imo When the Rapture occurs the 24 hour time will still be in effect. When I said in Gen 1 the 1000 yr is like a day; could/mayy only apply to the first 4 days anfte day for the 24 hour time started. th 2 hour time is maintained/regulated by the sun and moon the first 4 days there were no sun or moon.

Here is what the problem is with what you are saying or even that of a pretrib Rapture, even though it is only your opinion. Read these verses carefully and think about what you are reading as Christ returns on the last day as we, alive and in the grave, are caught up to meet Him in the air. (Don't want to make this about a pretrib as that's another topic.)

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

Those who reign with Christ are those souls that had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. In Revelations 6:9-11, are the souls of martyrs who had been slain for the word of God under an altar crying for vengeance. In Rev 20:4 the martyrs are on thrones. The difference between these scriptures is God's judgment has already come to those certain martyrs. The victory came in the spiritual realm of God, not the physical, and God assured their victory.

John was shown in a vision those souls that already had the victory over death as being in Christ. When we who are of Christ die before His return God has already passed judgement on us and we have the victory in Christ over that of the second death, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57. Those who are not of Christ will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. There is only one resurrection, but two judgements, John 5:28, 29. Those in Christ are raised first as those still alive at His coming will be gathered and caught up together to meet Christ in the air to be with Christ for eternity, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The rest are then raised for their judgement as rejecting Christ and there forever have their place in the lake of fire. Rev 20:4 says nothing about Jesus coming to this earth and establishing a worldly kingdom at Jerusalem.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)

 

[for_his_glory]

I wonder if I am one of the all of you?

I am being quiet. I am Trying to be quiet.

The ability to be caught up with the Lord for all eternity, was accomplished by Jesus on the cross and his subsequent resurrection, and……

Our ability to spread this news happened at Pentecost. Part of the Heavenly Gift moved in our direction (started coming down.)

Sent by the Father
Accomplished by the Son
Empowered by the Spirit

I personally am for it being finished.

This thread has a title. This thread has an Original Post, by the Original Poster. It sure gets confused as to what is discussed in a hurry. LOL

For me to continue to wrangle will not help.

eddif

Topics like this can lead to many directions since it pertains to the end of days. We don't have to have all the details figured out, but just to only be prepared that when Jesus returns we will be the part that is caught up to Hi.

 

[for_his_glory]

When plain sense makes sense make no other sense. In other words, 1,000 years means exactly that, 1,000 years. 1,000 years of 360+/- days.

Scripture is literal where it needs to be and symbolic where it needs to be as we see much of this in the book of Revelation, but if you dig deeper, compare scripture with scripture, chapter by chapter and book by book it all fills in the puzzle that is placed before it.

 

[Thekjv]

Here is what the problem is with what you are saying or even that of a pretrib Rapture, even though it is only your opinion. Read these verses carefully and think about what you are reading as Christ returns on the last day as we, alive and in the grave, are caught up to meet Him in the air. (Don't want to make this about a pretrib as that's another topic.)

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

Those who reign with Christ are those souls that had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. In Revelations 6:9-11, are the souls of martyrs who had been slain for the word of God under an altar crying for vengeance. In Rev 20:4 the martyrs are on thrones. The difference between these scriptures is God's judgment has already come to those certain martyrs. The victory came in the spiritual realm of God, not the physical, and God assured their victory.

John was shown in a vision those souls that already had the victory over death as being in Christ. When we who are of Christ die before His return God has already passed judgement on us and we have the victory in Christ over that of the second death, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57. Those who are not of Christ will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. There is only one resurrection, but two judgements, John 5:28, 29. Those in Christ are raised first as those still alive at His coming will be gathered and caught up together to meet Christ in the air to be with Christ for eternity, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The rest are then raised for their judgement as rejecting Christ and there forever have their place in the lake of fire. Rev 20:4 says nothing about Jesus coming to this earth and establishing a worldly kingdom at Jerusalem.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)

I may not have said it clearly enough or you missed it. I posted that I understand the 1000yr verse in 2 Pet 3:8 may or may not be a 1000 yr day. Sorry for not being clear.

 

[Thekjv]

It would seem you are clear you simply ignore " as a day" (metaphor) It cannot be both .

I would offer dig a little he gives us the understanding of the hidden manna. Unbelievers have no power to search. A person could find a pearl of great price.

Proverbs 25:1-3King James Version25 These are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied outIt is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter

My beliefs or understanding does not have be identical to yours. an I suggest to you put those books down and experience some life its short.

 

[for_his_glory]

Closing this thread temporarily for clean up as there is to much off topic replies. Will reopen after clean up. Please stay on topic of the OP.

 

[for_his_glory]

This thread is now reopened. All replies are to be addressed to that of the 1000 years. Any post not pertaining to that will de deleted. Please stay on topic.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

This thread is now reopened. All replies are to be addressed to that of the 1000 years. Any post not pertaining to that will de deleted. Please stay on topic.

Thanks does that apply to the signified as well as the literal?

 

[for_his_glory]

Thanks does that apply to the signified as well as the literal?

It applies to the literal and symbolic of the 1000 years in Revelation 20:1-10

 

[for_his_glory]

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

Those who reign with Christ are those souls that had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. In Revelations 6:9-11, are the souls of martyrs who had been slain for the word of God under an altar crying for vengeance. In Rev 20:4 the martyrs are on thrones. The difference between these scriptures is God's judgment has already come to those certain martyrs. The victory came in the spiritual realm of God, not the physical, and God assured their victory.

John was shown in a vision those souls that already had the victory over death as being in Christ. When we who are of Christ die before His return God has already passed judgement on us and we have the victory in Christ over that of the second death, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57. Those who are not of Christ will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. There is only one resurrection, but two judgements, John 5:28, 29. Those in Christ are raised first as those still alive at His coming will be gathered and caught up together to meet Christ in the air to be with Christ for eternity, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The rest are then raised for their judgement as rejecting Christ and there forever have their place in the lake of fire. Rev 20:4 says nothing about Jesus coming to this earth and establishing a worldly kingdom at Jerusalem.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)

 

[daninthelionsden]

Hey All,
Do you really know why the 1000 years equals a day has taken off as a means of solving the mystery of The Revelation? Because the last popular theory has been proven false.
Back in the 1970s the popular solution was the 40 year generation of Israel. The rapture, or the tribulation period, if you were a "post tribber, " was to start sometime between 1948 and 1988. Then 1988 passed. Well to cover their you-know-whats, they said the 40 year period actually started in 1967 after Israel won Jerusalem back in the 6 day war. So that pushed the date out till 2007.
So now we have passed 2007. And this thousand years equals a day idea has popped up. But it only works where these people say time is being used symbolically, or metaphorically.
1. So this also means God actually took 6000 years to create the universe.
2. Noah's time in the arc was 374 days. So that would translate to 1038 years. Got a problem with that?

Genesis 9:29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

I do.
"Oh yeah well it obviously doesn't apply here."

3. Luke 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

So it was actually dark 125 years before Jesus' body was placed in the tomb?
"No it doesn't apply there either."
This thousand years equals a day idea only applies where they say so.

If any of these theories were true we would all be in heaven sipping on Mai Tais, or whatever. Those theories I mentioned only work when the theorist can manipulate time. A generation was supposed to be 40 years. A day now is supposed to be 1000 years. These people have to manipulate time to make their theories plausible for one reason. Money. They go around the Christian world teaching their theories for "love offerings," and selling books nobody else cares about. Yeah I was stupid enough in my younger years to believe this stuff also.
But over the years I have figured it out. I know exactly when the end times will start. I also don't need to buy somebody's book to help me figure it out.

Matthew 24:5, 50-51 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Now you know when. An that's a fact. I have not manipulated anything other than showing you a portion of the chapter. Be my guest and read all of Matthew 24. It will not change the passage.

Nobody knows. Nobody has it "figured out." And that is also a fact. Show me another theory that does not have to manipulate time for it to work. Don't be gullible to these people. They are not trying to speak the truth in love. They don't care what you believe as long as you buy their books. Do I sound like someone who has bought these stupid books.? Do you need a theory to answer the question? I didn't think so. Keep walking everybody. May God bless,
Taz

I don't think they mean every instance of time mentioned in the Word has the thousand year day principle applying. Only time in heaven applies not on Earth.

 

[for_his_glory]

imo When the Rapture occurs the 24 hour time will still be in effect. When I said in Gen 1 the 1000 yr is like a day; could/mayy only apply to the first 4 days anfte day for the 24 hour time started. th 2 hour time is maintained/regulated by the sun and moon the first 4 days there were no sun or moon.

What is your source for this as the 1000 years is only mentioned one time in scripture found in Rev 20.

I do not believe in a pretrib Rapture, but that needs to be another thread.

 

[for_his_glory]

When plain sense makes sense make no other sense. In other words, 1,000 years means exactly that, 1,000 years. 1,000 years of 360+/- days.

What about the symbolism of 1000 years?

 

[TheDeafMan]

What about the symbolism of 1000 years?

There is no symbolism. 1000 years means exactly that, 1,000 360+/- day years.