OK we will leave body, soul and spirit out of the discussion.
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Are you taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Wearing the right shoes, and properly clothed spiritually?
Join Elected By Him for a devotional on Ephesians 6:14-15
https://christianforums.net/threads/devotional-selecting-the-proper-shoes.109094/
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Yet, John and Jesus himself contradict the understanding that Jesus is the Father (they agree that he is God Almighty). So, we must look to understand what other biblical uses of "father" mean, and if there is a legitimate use that applies to Jesus. And we find that this is the case, as I have provided previously.
Not to mention that Isaiah is speaking of the Messiah, not the second person of the Trinity. That is, he is speaking of how the Messiah will relate to people and is not making an ontological argument about the Trinity.
None of this disagrees with Trinitarianism. In fact, as you're showing, there is a continual distinctness made between the three persons, yet, being of the same essence and in intimately close relationship with one another, and that they're all involved in these various acts.
And that person would be the creator, initially known as the Word, but later given the name Jesus by the angel.
Say it out loud who the three persons are please.
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The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. You know this.
Where in scripture does it say Jesus is God. You will find no scripture written that says Jesus is God. You keep asking me for scripture that proves this and that but you won't give me a scripture that proves that God inspired men to write down Jesus is God.
They are titles.
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1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
2 Peter 1:1.. Our God and Saviour Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:16 For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son, he says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, the righteous sceptre is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Colossians 1:19 For in him (Jesus) all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell,
Colossians 2:2-3... Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. He’s omniscient all-knowing:
Colossians 2:9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,
Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son, he says, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous sceptre is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
Philippians 3:20-21... the Lord Jesus Christ, [21] who will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power which enables him even to subject all things to himself.
Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name is written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rom_6:11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
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They are persons. That is what God reveals about himself to us in Scripture.
More false information from you.
Whenever a person states their opinion and then “tags” their opinion with a scripture reference, and does not post the actual scripture, it’s usually a sign they are promoting a false doctrine.
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
Since we see that ”don’t understand His word” is not mentioned in this verse it becomes evident why you never posted the scripture.
JLB
No I disagree that Jesus existed as the Father in heaven before he became human. He didn't exist as the Father, he existed with his Father. The only begotten Son of God existed as the only begotten Son of God in heaven with his Father before he became human.
Jesus isn't our Eternal Father because he's God. YHWH God provided an “Eternal Father” for those who hope to live forever on earth. Jesus is a replacement for the human father, Adam, who failed all his offspring. By accepting Jesus as our “Eternal Father,” instead of the first Adam exercising faith in Jesus who is the last Adam, we have a sure hope of everlasting life.
During Jesus Millennial Reign, he will become a father to others. In fact, all earth’s inhabitants who receive everlasting life will gain everlasting life because they exercise faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. (John 3:16) So Jesus becomes their “Eternal Father.”
Nowhere in scripture is the only begotten Son of God Jesus Christ said to be Almighty God. In fact the scriptures apply the term Almighty to YHWH God only.
The Hebrew word Shaddai and the Greek word Pantokrato which are translated Almighty are only applied to YHWH God, never Jesus Christ.
Why do you believe the only begotten of the Father is silly?
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18
Do you believe Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God the Father?
JLB
More false information from you.
All these verses coincide perfectly.
2 Thess. 2:10-11
Hosea 4:6, 14
Jer. 9:6
Prov. 1:29
2 Tim. 2:15
I can't make you understand things.
Sadly, we can only lead a horse to water.
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The Head of Jesus is the Father.
The Head of the man is Jesus.
The Head of the woman is the man.
Thank goodness, God only has one head.
How silly would it be if He had .... three.
You're disagreeing with Isaiah, but that's fine.
Interesting strategy on studying God's Word though if you decide which Prophets you agree with and which you don't.
Do you ever feel as if you construct your Faith as you go along?
The idea is for the Bible to teach us what the Truth is.
Yes. The Mighty God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Wonderful Counselor," "Eternal Father," "Prince of Peace."
His name on earth is Jesus, for unto us a child is born to us! A son is given to us! And he will be our ruler. He will be called, "Wonderful Counselor," "Mighty God," "Eternal Father," "Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)
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The Bible very clearly teaches that the Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit, and that the Son also is not the Holy Spirit. They are three distinct persons in one essence, having existed together for eternity past.
You're ignoring many passages like Romans 8:9-11.
Can you please address that specific passage and explain how it doesn't make clear that Christ is the Holy Spirit?
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Yes and I'd be interested to see just where "the Bible very clearly teaches" that He is not.
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