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Jesus said, "I and the Father are One." I see only one undivided God. My God is undivided. I would not worship a divided God. The word "NOT" divides, and the opposer loves division. I have nothing more to say.
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Jesus said a lot of things, including the ones I just gave that clearly shown a distinction between he, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. Here are some more things Jesus said:
Joh 17:4 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
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Joh 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
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Joh 17:21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Joh 17:22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
Joh 17:23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.
Joh 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. (ESV)
Note especially verses 5, 11, 21, and 24. Verses 5 and 24 clearly show that Jesus thought he was distinct from the Father prior to creation, that is, in eternity past. So why do you think differently than Jesus? Do you think he was mistaken?
Verse 11 and 21 show that believers are to be one in the same way that the Father and Son are one, which obviously doesn't mean that believers are literally one. Verse 21 also shows Jesus using the plural of he and the Father. This makes sense only if he and the Father are distinct. He also does this in John 14:32:
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. (ESV)
And, of course, this goes right back to John 1:1, which itself hints at Gen 1:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
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Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. (ESV)
So, John uses language--"In the beginning"--that purposely brings us right back to Genesis 1, where God makes man "in his own image," that image which consists of "us" and "our." It is no surprise then that John says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (1:1, ESV). That is, the Word was already in existence when the beginning began and was in intimate relationship and communion with God, yet was also God himself.
All of that clearly shows a plurality in the one God which you and others have failed to address. All you and others have done is post verses in support of monotheism, but the doctrine of the Trinity fully affirms monotheism.
The word "not" merely shows distinction between the three persons, just as it should based on what Jesus said and John wrote.
You seem unconcerned by Satan's attempts to divide God in the minds of his disciples. Already people follow the Father and not the Saviour. The attacks on Jesus, the Saviour of the world are numerous.
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Are you going to respond to the arguments I made, which were backed up by Scripture, or just continue to evade?
Spin doctoring. No. The diversions are many.
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What is with you anti-trinitarians just avoiding anything that shows your position to be problematic? Such behaviour is divisive.
This is what we should be discussing.
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The undivided God, whose division you so stoutly defend.
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That is precisely what I am trying to discuss but you’re avoiding anything that is too difficult for your position.This is what we should be discussing.
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The undivided God, whose division you so stoutly defend.
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You didn't post anything that I haven't addressed, but I cannot say the same for you. Why not just address what I posted, so we can continue the discussion?
Watch the video.
Why? I already believe that Jesus is God. How about addressing the specific arguments and passages I gave?
The Holy Spirit came upon Mary, not the Word.
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 1:18
Study this. I am going to bed.
- The Alpha and the Omega
Greek: τὸ Ἄλφα καὶ τὸ Ὦ
Meaning: “The First and the Last,” “The Beginning and The End”
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Rev. 1:8, 11, 21:16, 22:13 - The All Sufficient One
“The All Sufficient”
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
He is all sufficient because He is Almighty.
2 Corinthians 9:8 KJV - The Amen —transliteration from Greek
Greek: ὁ Ἀμήν
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Revelation 3:14 - The Ancient of Days
Hebrew: וְעַתִּ֥יק יוֹמִ֖ין
Daniel 7:9 KJV; Dan. 7:13-14 KJV; Dan. 7:22 KJV
Hebrew transliteration: `attiyq yowm
Aramaic transliteration: Atik Yomin
Greek: Palaios Hemeron
Latin: Antiquus Dierum - The Anointed One
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
The word “Christ” means “The Anointed One”
See: Christ and Messiah - The Apostle and High Priest
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Hebrews 3:1 KJV, NKJV, NASB, ESV - The Atoning Sacrifice for Our Sins
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
1 John 2:2 NIV
“the propitiation for our sins” —1 John 2:2 KJV, NKJV, NASB, ESV, NIV; 1 John 2:2; 4:10
Romans 3:25 KJV - Attiq Yomin (attîq yōwmîn) —transliteration from Aramaic
Hebrew: וְעַתִּ֥יק יוֹמִ֖ין
Meaning: “Ancient of Days”
Daniel 7:9 KJV; Dan. 7:13 KJV; Dan. 7:22 KJV - The Author and Finisher of Our Faith
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Hebrews 12:1-2 KJV, NKJV
“the founder and perfecter of our faith” —Hebrews 12:1-2 ESV
“the author and perfecter of faith” —Hebrews 12:1-2 NASB - The Author of Eternal Salvation
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Hebrews 5:9 KJV - The Author of Life
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Acts 3:15 ESV, NIV
“The Prince of life” —Acts 3:15 KJV, NKJV, NASB
967 Names and Titles of our God (God's biblical names) - WebBible Encyclopedia - ChristianAnswers.Net
lengthy list of various names and titles of the God of the Bible
That all agrees with the Trinity. You should have noticed “God the Son,” which as used to distinguish the Son from God the Father.Study this. I am going to bed.
- The Alpha and the Omega
Greek: τὸ Ἄλφα καὶ τὸ Ὦ
Meaning: “The First and the Last,” “The Beginning and The End”
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Rev. 1:8, 11, 21:16, 22:13- The All Sufficient One
“The All Sufficient”
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
He is all sufficient because He is Almighty.
2 Corinthians 9:8 KJV- The Amen —transliteration from Greek
Greek: ὁ Ἀμήν
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Revelation 3:14- The Ancient of Days
Hebrew: וְעַתִּ֥יק יוֹמִ֖ין
Daniel 7:9 KJV; Dan. 7:13-14 KJV; Dan. 7:22 KJV
Hebrew transliteration: `attiyq yowm
Aramaic transliteration: Atik Yomin
Greek: Palaios Hemeron
Latin: Antiquus Dierum- The Anointed One
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
The word “Christ” means “The Anointed One”
See: Christ and Messiah- The Apostle and High Priest
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Hebrews 3:1 KJV, NKJV, NASB, ESV- The Atoning Sacrifice for Our Sins
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
1 John 2:2 NIV
“the propitiation for our sins” —1 John 2:2 KJV, NKJV, NASB, ESV, NIV; 1 John 2:2; 4:10
Romans 3:25 KJV- Attiq Yomin (attîq yōwmîn) —transliteration from Aramaic
Hebrew: וְעַתִּ֥יק יוֹמִ֖ין
Meaning: “Ancient of Days”
Daniel 7:9 KJV; Dan. 7:13 KJV; Dan. 7:22 KJV- The Author and Finisher of Our Faith
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Hebrews 12:1-2 KJV, NKJV
“the founder and perfecter of our faith” —Hebrews 12:1-2 ESV
“the author and perfecter of faith” —Hebrews 12:1-2 NASB- The Author of Eternal Salvation
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Hebrews 5:9 KJV- The Author of Life
—refers to God the Son (Jesus Christ)
Acts 3:15 ESV, NIV
“The Prince of life” —Acts 3:15 KJV, NKJV, NASB
.967 Names and Titles of our God (God's biblical names) - WebBible Encyclopedia - ChristianAnswers.Net
lengthy list of various names and titles of the God of the Biblechristiananswers.net
Yes, I know. God the Son is not God the Father, and God the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not etc. making three gods, and that is polytheism.
I believe in One God.
This is a problem of the Trinitarians own making, and they need to sort it. But typically, instead of putting right their own problem, they attack those who have it correct, the same as the whited sepulchres in Christ's time.
Just put your own house in order.
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No, it is not. Maybe you should learn what the doctrine of the Trinity states before you try debating it.
As do Trinitarians.
No. The word 'not' divides, and God cannot be divided against himself.
You are not seeing it. Pray for your eyes to be opened.
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