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Three person God identified in the Bible?

Where is the three person God identified in the Bible?

  • A three person God is identified in the Bible

    Votes: 12 41.4%

  • A three person God is not identified in the Bible

    Votes: 13 44.8%

  • A three person God is not identified but is implied

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Total voters
    29
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JLB said:
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matthew 28:19


Jesus says there are three.


JLB
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If Jesus stated the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, it means that He recognized:
Three Persons
With One Nature
With One and the same Authority

And Jesus absolutely declared there was only One God,,,

So it must be understood why He mentioned 3 Persons...
(Was He incorrectly dividing God? If not then there must be another explanation).



Also for Cooper
 
JLB said:
Again, no one mentioned anything about God being divided.

Those are your words.

You are making up things no one has said and are building your “case” around a word that was never mentioned.

Why?


For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7


These three (divine persons of the Godhead) are one.


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;… Genesis 1:26

God (Elohim) is plural.
JLB
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The Trinity diagram does exactly that. It divides the one God.
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Cooper said:
The Trinity diagram does exactly that. It divides the one God.
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Forget about the diagram.
I think I posted it.
It's usually helpful.
If it wasn't helpful, then forget about it.
Why let one diagram hold you back from what you believe?
 
The concept of the trinity is not easy to comprehend. Indeed, I believe it is spiritually taught. Debating it via diagrams and competing logical arguments seems to me to be a total waste of time.
 
JLB said:
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matthew 28:19 Jesus says there are three.






JLB
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Name. (Singular)
Jesus said "I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30) and he told us to baptize in the NAME of the Father Son and Holy Ghost.

There is only ONE name that is above all names and that is the name of Jesus, "that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth." (Php 2:10)

"There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

By baptizing in the name of Jesus they were baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, for He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, He is Almighty God in heaven and on earth and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)
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Randy said:
Cooper, do you believe the trinity was given through Jesus and His Apostles or later by others?

In regard to onesness.
Jesus spoke of the Deity living in Him. Did He state it was His Deity or did He identify another Deity living in Him doing their work?

Others have already presented Jesus speaking of the Spirit as another. Does the Father speak of that Spirit as another?
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We are in the image of God, and we are body, soul, and spirit, while being one person. It does not mean we are three persons.
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wondering said:
If Jesus stated the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, it means that He recognized:
Three Persons
With One Nature
With One and the same Authority

And Jesus absolutely declared there was only One God,,,

So it must be understood why He mentioned 3 Persons...
(Was He incorrectly dividing God? If not then there must be another explanation).



Also for Cooper
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I don’t see where the word “divided” is mentioned.

I think if we stay specific to the scriptures, and determine that “one” may mean something to God, that we don’t fully comprehend.


We see this principle of all throughout scripture.


But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. Matthew 12:25


The three expressions of identity are:

House = Individual

City = Corporate

Kingdom = Universal


A House in the Bible is another way of saying family.

  • A family is a reference to many individuals yet one family.
  • A city is a reference to many houses yet one city.
  • A kingdom is a reference to many cities yet one kingdom.


Another way of saying this would be a father, a mother, and a son is one family.


These three people are one family.





JLB
 
Cooper said:
We are in the image of God, and we are body, soul, and spirit, while being one person. It does not mean we are three persons.
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Same with God.

He is ONE BEING..........................."Body"

With a word/logos/reason ...... Jesus
With breath ...................................... Holy Spirit

One being.....3 parts.
 
Cooper said:
We are in the image of God, and we are body, soul, and spirit, while being one person. It does not mean we are three persons.
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Yes these three individuals of body soul and spirit are one person.

These three individual members of father, mother, and son are one family.




JLB
 
JLB said:
I don’t see where the word “divided” is mentioned.

I think if we stay specific to the scriptures, and determine that “one” may mean something to God, that we don’t fully comprehend.


We see this principle of all throughout scripture.


But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. Matthew 12:25


The three expressions of identity are:

House = Individual

City = Corporate

Kingdom = Universal


A House in the Bible is another way of saying family.

  • A family is a reference to many individuals yet one family.
  • A city is a reference to many houses yet one city.
  • A kingdom is a reference to many cities yet one kingdom.


Another way of saying this would be a father, a mother, and a son is one family.


These three people are one family.





JLB
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Really JLB, I don't know where the word DIVIDED comes from.

I don't even know if the Trinity can really be explained.
I agree with jaybo regarding the fact that it may have to be spiritually understood.
 
Cooper said:
www.ucg.org

The Surprising Origins of the Trinity Doctrine

Few understand how the Trinity doctrine came to be accepted - several centuries after the Bible was completed! Yet its roots go back much farther in history.
www.ucg.org www.ucg.org
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This is called revisionist history, which makes Jesus a liar (Matt 28:20)--that he abandoned his Church, in this case, until the early 1900s. That should be a massive red flag, that this Oneness doctrine came about around 100 years ago. It is also just one in a long line of anti-trinitarian views--Muhammad, mid 600s; Joseph Smith, early to mid 1800s; Charles Taze Russell, late 1800s to early 1900s). Interestingly, it is the very same argument Mormons and JWs use to justify their beliefs. So, why believe Oneness theology instead of Islam, Mormonism, or JWs?
 
Cooper said:
The diagram can lead to errors and accusations of polytheism. Best if it wasn't there.
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It can, if one doesn't take the time to understand what it is saying. What you must understand is that the doctrine of the Trinity is not tritheistic nor tripartite. You need to get those things out of your mind. It is thoroughly monotheistic.

The key issue is that the NT repeatedly and consistently keeps the Father distinct from the Son, and both of them distinct from the Holy Spirit, yet it fully affirms the monotheism of the OT. That diagram of the Trinity is a simple visual which shows these biblical ideas.
 
wondering said:
Same with God.

He is ONE BEING..........................."Body"

With a word/logos/reason ...... Jesus
With breath ...................................... Holy Spirit

One being.....3 parts.
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While true, it must also be stated that they have always been in existence. There was never a time in "eternity past" when the Word or the Holy Spirit did not exist. God has always been three persons.
 
Free said:
While true, it must also be stated that they have always been in existence. There was never a time in "eternity past" when the Word or the Holy Spirit did not exist. God has always been three persons.
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Exactly.
God always had His "reason",,,,,, the Logos
God always had His "breath" ,,,,,, Holy Spirit


This is how I've come to understand the Trinity.
I'm sure we each have our own method .
I remember when I taught the Trinity to my religion kids, I was advised that all the methods I proposed were heretical!!
You know water, the triangle, etc. The triangle was the best.
 
Free said:
It can, if one doesn't take the time to understand what it is saying. What you must understand is that the doctrine of the Trinity is not tritheistic nor tripartite. You need to get those things out of your mind. It is thoroughly monotheistic.

The key issue is that the NT repeatedly and consistently keeps the Father distinct from the Son, and both of them distinct from the Holy Spirit, yet it fully affirms the monotheism of the OT. That diagram of the Trinity is a simple visual which shows these biblical ideas.
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If something can lead people into error, let's not go there. I am thinking particularly about the salvation of the Jews and their belief, rightly so, of one God. I imagine if we started talking about a Triune God it would cause them to reject Christianity out of hand. However, Jaybo is the best person to know about that, but I always think it is best to be cautious.
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Free said:
While true, it must also be stated that they have always been in existence. There was never a time in "eternity past" when the Word or the Holy Spirit did not exist. God has always been three persons.
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I'm not sure if the one God can be spoken of as 'they.'
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Cooper said:
If something can lead people into error, let's not go there. I am thinking particularly about the salvation of the Jews and their belief, rightly so, of one God. I imagine if we started talking about a Triune God it would cause them to reject Christianity out of hand. However, Jaybo is the best person to know about that, but I always think it is best to be cautious.
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Of course. I would never mention the Trinity unless the other party brings it up first. However, in the end, it is the biblical revelation God gives of himself to us. One must trust that God will eventually reveal the truth of it to those who don't believe.

Cooper said:
I'm not sure if the one God can be spoken of as 'they.'
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God himself uses "us" and "our" on a few occasions--most notably Gen 1:26, especially in light of verse 27. But also Gen 11:7, in light of verses 6 and 8, and Isa 6:8. If the one God speaks of himself using plural pronouns, then there is no reason why we shouldn't. In fact, it ought to make us sit up and take notice.
 
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