Jesus was the Son AFTER the incarnation.
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He has always been the Son and the Father has always been the Father. There was never a time when neither existed. That is rather the whole point of John 1:1-18.
See Fastfredy0's post #1,380 on page 69:
"The Son is eternally begotten (eternally generated) by the Father. The Father is begotten by no one. It had no beginning, it will have no ending. It has always been. C. S. Lewis likened it to a book that is lying on top of another. We say the top book owes its position to the bottom one. It wouldn't be where it is without the one on the bottom. Now, if you can, imagine this relationship as always having been. There never was a time when the top book was not where it was, never a time when the bottom book was alone. This is what we mean when we speak of the Father begetting the Son. The relationship of the first person of the Trinity to the second person is that of begetting."
That is from Mere Christianity, if I'm not mistaken.
God only became Father after the birth of Jesus on the earth. Prior to that Jesus was the Word. At his birth the angel said to call his name Jesus. But all the time Jesus, the pre-existing creator, is and always be, the Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end.
I'm going to bed.
There are not two gods.
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Of course not. Please refer back to my post #1,386.
No, please read my posts carefully. I have repeatedly stated that the doctrine of the Trinity fully affirms that there is only one God. I have also repeatedly stated that there was, is, and ever will be only one God. There is, however, an "eternal plurality" within the one God. That is what God himself reveals and we are to make sense of it as best we can.
No. You say the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, and the Father is not the Holy Spirit. Three gods.
In reality the one God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One mighty God.
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No, it absolutely is not three gods. The doctrine of the Trinity is very specific in its terminology to avoid polytheism.
And, yet, there is not a single verse in the Bible that clearly and directly supports this assertion of yours. Not one. Everything points to a plurality within the one God.
Check the Trinity Diagram and the words "is not" that occurs three times.
I just posted a couple of hours ago a list of scriptures that tell of One God.
Here they are again.
Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13 ESV
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. Hebrews 1:8 ESV
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 ESV
Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1 ESV
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. Colossians 2:9-10 ESV
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Revelation 22:13 ESV
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. 1 John 5:20 ESV
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That plurality means the one God is "Father, Son and Holy Spirit."
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Again, as it should in order to retain the biblical distinctions between the three persons, the plurality.
No offence, but you’re simply not understanding what I am saying. There is not a single verse in the entire Bible that clearly or directly states that God is an absolute unity, a single person. All the verses you have given only show monotheism, nothing more. And monotheism is fully affirmed by the doctrine of the Trinity.
That is to say, you’re confusing monotheism with the nature of God. The verses address the former but say nothing about the latter.
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It means the one God has always existed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is what Gen 1:26-27 and John 1:1 show.
Fastfredy0
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But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10
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For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:16
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1
Jesus is LORD; our great God and Savior.
Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
2 Peter 1:1
looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13
JLB
The Angel of the LORD is the Son of God.
Angels are sons of God.
The Angel of the Lord is The Son of God.
JLB
Plainly everyone who saw God in the Old Testament was seeing the God the Son and not God the Father.
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18
By implication God here in this context refers to God the Father.
The Old Testament saints were preserved alive in Paradise, the heart of the earth until Jesus Christ was revealed to them.
JLB
God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God is One.
If God were "NOT, NOT, NOT" HE WOULD NOT EXIST.
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Except your god is NOT father, is NOT son, is NOT holy spirit.
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