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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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He has a place on "His Fathes throne"
At Gods good pleasure The Fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. He has all the fullness of God living in Him. The Father so He is all that the Father is. God in that context.
While you keep noting "by Him things created" you overlook the "through Him and for Him" in regard to the creation. The One living in Him created. The Son does nothing by Himself.
The Father -You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.
The greater as in One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ as in Father and His Son. Coeternal beings don't have a God or Father. Jesus does the Father does not.
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,
who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God.
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.
Jesus is "the Son" not a Angel. I don't share your view the Angel was Jesus. "The only "begotten" God is cohesive with my understanding not any angel. Jesus inherited a name superior to the Angels of God.
Jesus Himself makes that distinction.
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Not that I think this will do any good.
The "word of life" with the Father in the beginning appeared and they "touched" and "heard" Him. Same person. Not someone who started in the womb of Mary. Its clear to me the Son who was, His Spirit, was in the body prepared for Him.// "Father, into your hands I commit "My spirit"
1John
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.
If you have another teaching on "Oneness" other than that which the Lord Himself gave I'm open to checking it out. Please provide your Source.
Oneness 101 by the "Teacher"
John 17
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Not Him, note the word "dwells" "In Him"
Col 2:9
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily
Col 1:19
For in him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell,
Col 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; // as opposed to He is the invisible God
Rev 3;14 Keep in mind the Father from whom all things came who created through Jesus and when Jesus speaks of God He is referring to His Father
“And to the angel of the church in La-odice′a write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation
Now you should understand the "need"
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
The only begotten God.
Jesus given the Supremacy. The firstborn or the beginning of the creation of the Father. (His Spirit)
The gifting of the fullness not formed and from the will of another- The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him
My answer from Above to the question asked of me "is Jesus God?"
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
Now you should understand why "Jesus" holds to the testimony to His God and His Father
Why God states "therefore God your God"
Why the Apostles state "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"
You created all things refers to the Son.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth,... Col 1:16
By your will they were created refers to the Father.
And have their being refers to the Holy Spirit.
These three are one.
JLB
I didnt say Jesus is an Angel.
The Angel of the Lord is the LORD and He is God.
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6
The Angel of the LORD was the preincarnate Jesus Christ.
Moses was not looking upon the Father, but the Son, the Angel of the LORD.
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
John 1:18
JLB
Thank you. Nice work and excellent scriptures. I believe in One Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit as described in Colossians 2:9 "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."
Trinitarians seem to deviate from this, but I will wait for their views and take it from there.
May the blessing of Jesus Christ be upon you.
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No it doesn't. God the Father created through His Son and it was by His will and at His command.
The writer of Hebrews does not contradict Himself. And coeternal beings don't have a need to inherit nor be exalted..
Hebrews 1
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs
I think Moses was looking at an Angel of the Lord who was standing in the presence of God. God presence was there via the Holy Spirit of God. You paint a picture that Jesus is the "I AM" as God gave that name but one can look at His Face and live and He doesn't have the glory that wreaks havoc with the atmosphere?
The Son created all things.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth,... Col 1:16
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:18-10
The Son created all things by the will of the Father.
JLB
See here, Randy,
In Col 1:15, we read Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation, by whom all things were created, in the heavens and on earth. Things visible and things invisible, whether they are thrones, lordships, governments, or authorities. He is the head of the body, the beginning, and the firstborn from the dead, so he shall become first in all things, the wonderful counsellor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, and the Prince of Peace promised in Isaiah 9:5–6.
And here:
Isaiah 44:24 — Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
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Again the writer of hebrews isn't contradicting Himself. The Son created nothing "by Himself" or apart from the Father.
And this is all of Col 1:16 "for Him" Who did that?
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Jesus is I AM.
The Angel of the LORD is God.
Moses was looking at the Angel of the Lord.
Moses was looking at God.
Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:6
The Angel of the LORD is I AM.
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14
Jesus is I AM.
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him;… John 8:58-59
Jesus is the Son; God the Son.
Jesus is LORD; YHWH the LORD God.
Jesus is I AM.
JLB
How is that different?
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
As in "by Him" all things were created doesn't negate God created through Him. As in By Him "God" created.
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
Furthermore all things came by the Father. By His will and at His command they have their being and were created.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
There is simply no way a person can come to such a erroneous conclusion after all that I’ve repeatedly stated.
I never said anything about Hebrews contradicting himself.
Jesus, the Son stretched out the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth.
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10
- You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:10
The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1
- Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1
The prophet Zechariah was speaking by the Spirit of Christ; the Spirit of the LORD God; YHWH
JLB
Yes I understood what you have been stating. We will disagree on who the Angel was. The ground became Holy because wherever the Spirit of God touches becomes Holy. I believe Moses saw a angel, (unidentified) , and Gods Spirit was their as well. He did not see the Father who was there in Spirit but He was allowed to see Gods Angel.
Which of these following statements do you disagree with?
Jesus is I AM.
The Angel of the LORD is God.
Moses was looking at the Angel of the Lord.
Moses was looking at God.
Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:6
The Angel of the LORD is I AM.
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14
Jesus is I AM.
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him;… John 8:58-59
Jesus is the Son; God the Son.
Jesus is LORD; YHWH the LORD God.
Jesus is I AM.
JLB
OK. God is ONE. (So no Trinity?)
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