TOTAL DEPRAVITY

[LeviR]

Could you post the verse with context you are referring to?

What they really are defending is their own right to add their own words and ideas into scripture wherever they choose to add them.

For example, man became a living soul when God breathed into the man the breath of life.

What they says is, man was given an immortal soul when God breathed into the man.

Please show me where the term “immortal soul” is found in scripture.
It’s not!
It’s a man-made idea they added to scripture.

Adam became a living soul, he was NOT given an immortal soul.

A while back I had a discussion with a RCC scholar who was very knowledgeable in all the doctrines of the Catholic Church. And very crafty in his defense of them.
I asked him, “when is man given an immortal soul?”
He replied, “at his creation”.

Isn’t that interesting. The text says Adam became a living soul, not that he was given an immortal soul.

The RCC changes the wording of the creation of man becoming a living soul to man being given an immortal soul.
Oh, they’re very crafty alright.

Good thing we have the real idea and truth given to us by God.

 

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Which of these two statements do you agree with?

Totally Depraved?

Not Utter Depravity?

Both. We are tainted by our sin, but not ravenous, rabies infested, foaming at the mouth, insane zombies.

All of our enmity is against God, not necessarily men. It makes us selfish, prone to put ourselves ahead of others, but we can still plow our field in the hope of feeding our family.
Proverbs 21:4 A haughty look, a proud heart, And the plowing of the wicked are sin.

A man on the FBI's most wanted list can help an old lady cross the street. But he is still a criminal.

 

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Not sure why they think they need to always ADD their own ideas and teaching to scripture.

That's what preachers and teachers do. Otherwise, all they could do is read Scripture.

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Reasoned = dialegomai (S# G1256). The imperfect tense points to frequent and renewed discussion.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Expounded =diermēneuō - to explain thoroughly; by implication to translate: - expound, interpret (-ation).

 

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Total Depravity again = The Heart
kardia (G2588), "the heart" (Eng., "cardiac," etc.), the chief organ of physical life ("for the life of the flesh is in the blood," Lev_17:11), occupies the most important place in the human system. By an easy transition the word came to stand for man's entire mental and moral activity, both the rational and the emotional elements. In other words, the heart is used figuratively for the hidden springs of the personal life. "The Bible describes human depravity as in the 'heart,' because sin is a principle which has its seat in the center of man's inward life, and then 'defiles' the whole circuit of his action,
Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man."

Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

As to its usage in the NT it denotes (a) the seat of physical life, Act_14:17; Jas_5:5; (b) the seat of moral nature and spiritual life, the seat of grief, John 14:1; Romans 9:2; 2Co_2:4; joy, John_16:22; Eph_5:19; the desires, Mat_5:28; 2 Peter_2:14; the affections, Luke_24:32; Acts_21:13; the perceptions, John 12:40; Eph_4:18; the thoughts, Mat_9:4; Heb_4:12; the understanding, Mat_13:15; Rom_1:21; the reasoning powers, Mar_2:6; Luk_24:38; the imagination, Luk_1:51; conscience, Act_2:37; 1 John_3:20; the intentions, Heb_4:12, cf. 1Pe_4:1; purpose, Acts 11:23; 2 Co_9:7; the will, Rom_6:17; Col_3:15; faith, Mar_11:23; Rom_10:10; Heb_3:12.

The heart, in its moral significance in the OT, includes the emotions, the reason and the will.

But still able to do good.
Matthew 7:11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!

 

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The Heart in the Old Testament from Vines Complete Expository Dictionary of Old Testament words.

leb (H3820), "heart; mind; midst." Leb and its synonym lebab appear 860 times in the Old Testament. The law, prophets, and Psalms often speak of the "heart." The root occurs also in Akkadian, Assyrian, Egyptian, Ugaritic, Aramaic, Arabic, and post-biblical Hebrew. The corresponding Aramaic nouns occur seven times in the Book of Daniel.
"Heart" is used first of man in Gen_6:5 : "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." In Gen_6:6 leb is used of God: "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
"Heart" may refer to the organ of the body: "And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy place..." (Exo_28:29); "...[Joab] took three darts in his hand, and thrust them through the heart of Absalom..." (2Sa_18:14); "My heart panteth..." (Psa_38:10).
Leb may also refer to the inner part or middle of a thing: "...and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea" (Exo_15:8); "...and the mountain burned with fire in the midst [RSV, "to the heart"] of heaven..." (Deu_4:11, KJV); "Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea..." (Pro_23:34).
Lebab can be used of the inner man, contrasted to the outer man, as in Deu_30:14 : "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it" (cf. Joe_2:13); "...man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart" (1Sa_16:7). Lebab is often compounded with "soul" for emphasis, as in 2Ch_15:12; "And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul" (cf. 2Ch_15:15). Nepesh ("soul; life; self") is translated "heart" fifteen times in the KJV. Each time, it connotes the "inner man": "For as he thinketh in his heart [nepesh], so is he" (Pro_23:7).
Leb can be used of the man himself or his personality: "Then Abraham fell upon his face and laughed, and said in his heart,..." (Gen_17:17); "...my heart had great experience..." (Ecc_1:16). Leb is also used of God in this sense: "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart" (Jer_3:15).
The seat of desire, inclination, or will can be indicated by "heart": "Pharaoh's heart is hardened..." (Exo_7:14); "...whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it..." (Exo_35:5; cf. Exo_35:21, Exo_35:29); "I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart..." (Psa_86:12). Leb is also used of God in this sense: "...and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul" (Jer_32:41). Two people are said to be in agreement when their "hearts" are right with each other: "Is thine heart right, as my heart is with thy heart?" (2Ki_10:15). In 2Ch_24:4, "...Joash was minded to repair the house of the Lord" (Heb. "had in his heart").
The "heart" is regarded as the seat of emotions: "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart,..." (Deu_6:5); "...and when he [Aaron] seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart" (Exo_4:14; cf. 1Sa_2:1). So there are "merry" hearts (Jdg_16:25), "fearful" hearts (Isa_35:4), and hearts that "trembled" (1Sa_4:13).
The "heart" could be regarded as the seat of knowledge and wisdom and as a synonym of "mind." This meaning often occurs when "heart" appears with the verb "to know": "Thus you are to know in your heart..." (Deu_8:5, NASB); and "Yet the Lord hath not given you a heart to perceive [know]..." (Deu_29:4, KJV; RSV, "mind"). Solomon prayed, "Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad..." (1Ki_3:9; cf. 1Ki_4:29). Memory is the activity of the "heart," as in Job_22:22 : "...lay up his [God's] words in thine heart."
The "heart" may be the seat of conscience and moral character. How does one respond to the revelation of God and of the world around him? Job answers: "...my heart shall not reproach me as long as I live" (Job_27:6). On the contrary, "David's heart smote him..." (2Sa_24:10). The "heart" is the fountain of man's deeds: "...in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands I have done this" (Gen_20:5; cf. Gen_20:6). David walked "in uprightness of heart" (1Ki_3:6) and Hezekiah "with a perfect heart" (Isa_38:3) before God. Only the man with "clean hands, and a pure heart" (Psa_24:4) can stand in God's presence.
Leb may refer to the seat of rebellion and pride. God said: "...for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth" (Gen_8:21). Tyre is like all men: "Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God" (Eze_28:2). They all become like Judah, whose "sin...is graven upon the table of their heart" (Jer_17:1).
God controls the "heart." Because of his natural "heart," man's only hope is in the promise of God: "A new heart also will I give you,... and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh" (Eze_36:26). So the sinner prays: "Create in me a clean heart, O God" (Psa_51:10); and "...unite my heart [give me an undivided heart] to fear thy name" (Psa_86:11). Also, as David says, "I know also, my God, that thou triest the heart, and hast pleasure in uprightness" (1Ch_29:17). Hence God's people seek His approval: "...try my reins and my heart" (Psa_26:2).
The "heart" stands for the inner being of man, the man himself. As such, it is the fountain of all he does (Pro_4:4). All his thoughts, desires, words, and actions flow from deep within him. Yet a man cannot understand his own "heart" (Jer_17:9). As a man goes on in his own way, his "heart" becomes harder and harder. But God will circumcise (cut away the uncleanness of) the "heart" of His people, so that they will love and obey Him with their whole being (Deu_30:6).

 

[LeviR]

Total Depravity again = The Heart
kardia (G2588), "the heart" (Eng., "cardiac," etc.), the chief organ of physical life ("for the life of the flesh is in the blood," Lev_17:11), occupies the most important place in the human system. By an easy transition the word came to stand for man's entire mental and moral activity, both the rational and the emotional elements. In other words, the heart is used figuratively for the hidden springs of the personal life. "The Bible describes human depravity as in the 'heart,' because sin is a principle which has its seat in the center of man's inward life, and then 'defiles' the whole circuit of his action,
Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man."

Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

As to its usage in the NT it denotes (a) the seat of physical life, Act_14:17; Jas_5:5; (b) the seat of moral nature and spiritual life, the seat of grief, John 14:1; Romans 9:2; 2Co_2:4; joy, John_16:22; Eph_5:19; the desires, Mat_5:28; 2 Peter_2:14; the affections, Luke_24:32; Acts_21:13; the perceptions, John 12:40; Eph_4:18; the thoughts, Mat_9:4; Heb_4:12; the understanding, Mat_13:15; Rom_1:21; the reasoning powers, Mar_2:6; Luk_24:38; the imagination, Luk_1:51; conscience, Act_2:37; 1 John_3:20; the intentions, Heb_4:12, cf. 1Pe_4:1; purpose, Acts 11:23; 2 Co_9:7; the will, Rom_6:17; Col_3:15; faith, Mar_11:23; Rom_10:10; Heb_3:12.

The heart, in its moral significance in the OT, includes the emotions, the reason and the will.

But still able to do good.
Matthew 7:11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!

If you wanted to speak according to the scripture, rather than your own words you call “Total Depravity “

You might consider labeling your post, “The Lust of the Flesh”

Gal 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

1Jo 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Man is not “Totally Depraved”, he is simply allowing himself to be controlled by his own desires. The desires of his own flesh body and flesh mind.
Just like Adam before he ate the fruit.

 

[electedbyHim]

I agree that humans are tainted by sin.

However, the term Total Depravity seems to mean something to one group while meaning something else to another group.

This is the fallacy of building a Theology around an unbiblical term.

I will refer to some definitions from the following site -

What Is The Doctrine Of Total Depravity? Calvinism, TULIP, And The Reformation – Dr. John Jackson Communications

drjohnjackson.com

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So we have this statement -

Total depravity refers to the theological belief that every part of human nature has been tainted by sin since the fall of Adam. Contrary to what some may assume, total depravity does not mean that humans are as sinful as they could possibly be, but rather that sin affects every aspect of our being, including our mind, will, emotions, and spirit.


And we have this statement -

• Not Utter Depravity: It doesn’t mean we’re as bad as possible, but highlights our total inability without God.

Which of these two statements do you agree with?

Totally Depraved?

Not Utter Depravity?

The name of the thread is total depravity.

Never heard that other term.

Total depravity and the Bible says that man cannot seek God.

 

[electedbyHim]

Total Depravity

The Bible teaches what has been called total (or pervasive) depravity to describe the corruption and pollution of sin passed down from Adam. Total depravity emphasizes the devastating impact of sin on the person and covers three related concepts: (1) the pollution and corruption of all aspects of a person; (2) the complete inability of a person to please God; and (3) universality, in that all are conceived and born as sinners. Together these show the abysmal state of unredeemed humanity, all of whom are both unable and unwilling to glorify God.

Total depravity does not mean that unsaved people always act as badly as possible. Nor does it mean that unsaved people cannot do relative acts of goodness. Unbelievers can do good things for society, their friends, and their family. They can stop a fight, give to charity, perform life-saving surgery. They can help a lost child find her parents. These acts have a relative goodness, which corresponds with what Jesus said: “If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children …” (Matt. 7:11).

Concerning the first feature, sin is total or pervasive in that all components of a person are polluted by sin. Just as smoke from a fire permeates everything in a room, the whole person is corrupted by sin. No part of man escapes. This includes both the material and immaterial aspects of a person—body and soul. The body decays and is headed for physical death, and along the way, the body functions as an instrument for evil activity. The spiritual part of man is also fully corrupt. This includes all of man’s thinking, reason, desires, and affections. Thus Paul concludes, “To the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled” (Titus 1:15). Speaking of the godless, Paul refers to “the futility of their minds” (Eph. 4:17). The heart is also debased; so Jeremiah 17:9 says, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?” Jesus also teaches that it is from the heart that wicked deeds occur (Mark 7:21–23). On multiple occasions the Bible addresses both corrupt thinking and an evil heart. Paul said, “They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart” (Eph. 4:18). Also, sinful mankind “became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened” (Rom. 1:21). John Calvin rightly stated, “We are so entirely controlled by the power of sin, that the whole mind, the whole heart, and all our actions are under its influence.”31

Second, sin is total in that man is incapable of pleasing God on his own. Paul states, “For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God” (Rom. 8:7–8). And Jesus says, “Apart from me you can do nothing” (John 15:5).

Third, sin is universal in that all humans are sinners. First Kings 8:46 declares, “For there is no one who does not sin.” And Psalm 14:3 states, “They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one.” The entire section of Romans 1:18–3:20 is dedicated to showing that all people are sinners and unable to save themselves, concluding that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:23).

Therefore, man’s spiritual state is not one of relative neutrality, in which he is able to accept or reject God and his gospel. He is an active hater of God (Rom. 8:7) who cannot accept spiritual truth (1 Cor. 2:14). The total depravity of man demonstrates the absolute sovereignty of God in salvation. Man can do nothing. God must accomplish all as a gift of sovereign grace.

Biblical Doctrine: A Systematic Summary of Bible Truth

 

[electedbyHim]

If you wanted to speak according to the scripture, rather than your own words you call “Total Depravity “

You might consider labeling your post, “The Lust of the Flesh”

Gal 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

1Jo 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Man is not “Totally Depraved”, he is simply allowing himself to be controlled by his own desires. The desires of his own flesh body and flesh mind.
Just like Adam before he ate the fruit.

Man is not “Totally Depraved”, he is simply allowing himself to be controlled by his own desires.

What are man's desires?

Sin.

 

[LeviR]

The name of the thread is total depravity.

Never heard that other term.

Total depravity and the Bible says that man cannot seek God.

Where does the Bible say “man cannot seek God”?

In Romans chapter 3 Paul speaks of the Jews being under the law and how the law makes them all guilty before God. “That by the law shall no man be justified”.
Paul is simply pointing out the condition of the Jews being under the law.
“What the law says, it says to them who are under the law” the Jews.

Paul’s point is that the Jews sought righteousness by the law rather than faith.

 

[LeviR]

What are man's desires?

Sin.

Men are interested in worldly lusts rather than the things of God. It has nothing to do with “Total Depravity”.
He has to do with what he desires.
God rewards those who diligently seek Him.

 

[electedbyHim]

Paul

Romans 3:9 What then? Are we better? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;

Key verse above is ALL UNDER SIN.

Then Paul launches into the depravity of all humans.

Romans 3:9-20

Paul concludes his indictment of mankind with this summary: Jew and Gentile alike stand guilty before God.
The several passages cited here, and in some following verses, are taken out of the Psalms and Isaiah; and are brought to prove, not only that the Jews are no better than the Gentiles, being equally corrupt and depraved as they; but also to show the corrupt state and condition of mankind in general: and the words are not always literally expressed, but the sense is attended to, as in this passage; for in the original text of Psa_14:1, it is, "there is none that doth good"; from whence the apostle rightly infers, "there is none righteous"; for he that does not do good, is not righteous; and therefore if there is none on earth that does good and does not sin, there is none righteous upon earth, "no, not one" single person. The Jews allegorizing that passage in Gen_19:31, "there is not a man in the earth to come into us", remark (u) on it thus,
Urab qydu vya Nya, "there is not a righteous man in the earth"; and there is not a man that rules over his imagination.''

There is none righteous as Adam was, in a state of innocence; for all have sinned, and are filled with unrighteousness, and are enemies to righteousness; none are righteous by their obedience to the law of works; nor are there any righteous in the sight of God, upon the foot of their own righteousness, however they may appear in their own eyes, and in the sight of others; nor are any inherently righteous, for there is none without sin, sanctification is imperfect; nor is it, either in whole or in part, a saint's justifying righteousness; indeed there is none righteous, no, not one, but those who are justified by the righteousness of Christ imputed to them.

(u) Midrash Haneelam in Zohar in Gen. fol. 68. 1.
John Gill

 

[electedbyHim]

Men are interested in worldly lusts rather than the things of God. It has nothing to do with “Total Depravity”.
He has to do with what he desires.
God rewards those who diligently seek Him.

Men are interested in wordly lusts, that is sin.

You are just sugar coating it.

 

[LeviR]

Paul

Romans 3:9 What then? Are we better? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;

Key verse above is ALL UNDER SIN.

Then Paul launches into the depravity of all humans.

Romans 3:9-20

Paul concludes his indictment of mankind with this summary: Jew and Gentile alike stand guilty before God.
The several passages cited here, and in some following verses, are taken out of the Psalms and Isaiah; and are brought to prove, not only that the Jews are no better than the Gentiles, being equally corrupt and depraved as they; but also to show the corrupt state and condition of mankind in general: and the words are not always literally expressed, but the sense is attended to, as in this passage; for in the original text of Psa_14:1, it is, "there is none that doth good"; from whence the apostle rightly infers, "there is none righteous"; for he that does not do good, is not righteous; and therefore if there is none on earth that does good and does not sin, there is none righteous upon earth, "no, not one" single person. The Jews allegorizing that passage in Gen_19:31, "there is not a man in the earth to come into us", remark (u) on it thus,
Urab qydu vya Nya, "there is not a righteous man in the earth"; and there is not a man that rules over his imagination.''

There is none righteous as Adam was, in a state of innocence; for all have sinned, and are filled with unrighteousness, and are enemies to righteousness; none are righteous by their obedience to the law of works; nor are there any righteous in the sight of God, upon the foot of their own righteousness, however they may appear in their own eyes, and in the sight of others; nor are any inherently righteous, for there is none without sin, sanctification is imperfect; nor is it, either in whole or in part, a saint's justifying righteousness; indeed there is none righteous, no, not one, but those who are justified by the righteousness of Christ imputed to them.

(u) Midrash Haneelam in Zohar in Gen. fol. 68. 1.
John Gill

Has nothing to do with “Total Depravity”.
It has to do with righteousness before God.
The text that Paul quotes he refers to as being law. And that those things are applied to those under the law. Which were the Jews only.
God didn’t enter into covenant with Gentiles. He entered into covenant with the Israelites He brought out of Egypt.
And the purpose of the giving of His law to them was to show them their complete and utter inability to live up to the just demands of the law and to seek mercy and forgiveness by faith instead.
Now, a Gentile is no better because he could not live up to the just demands of the law either.
The law actually makes all guilty before God.
And it has nothing to do with a made-up doctrine called “Total Depravity”.

 

[LeviR]

Men are interested in wordly lusts, that is sin.

You are just sugar coating it.

God rewards those who seek Him. And He forces no one to seek Him.

 

[Free]

God rewards those who seek Him. And He forces no one to seek Him.

Of course not, but without him no one will seek him.

Rom 3:10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;
Rom 3:11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.
Rom 3:12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” (ESV)

 

[LeviR]

Of course not, but without him no one will seek him.

Rom 3:10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;
Rom 3:11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.
Rom 3:12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” (ESV)

It’s because they seek righteousness by their own works of the law. They completely turn away from the only way righteousness can be found. By faith.
When the Jew realizes his complete inability to live up to the just demands of the law, he must seek forgiveness and righteousness in some other way. The Way God has provided it.

 

[Free]

It’s because they seek righteousness by their own works of the law. They completely turn away from the only way righteousness can be found. By faith.

Is that supposed to refute my point? No one seeks after God of their own accord; not then, not now.

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (ESV)

Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
Joh 3:20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. (ESV)

Total depravity is biblical because people are spiritually dead and won't seek God of their volition. Rather, they prefer their sin. Every part of man is tainted with sin.

 

[electedbyHim]

Has nothing to do with “Total Depravity”.
It has to do with righteousness before God.
The text that Paul quotes he refers to as being law. And that those things are applied to those under the law. Which were the Jews only.
God didn’t enter into covenant with Gentiles. He entered into covenant with the Israelites He brought out of Egypt.
And the purpose of the giving of His law to them was to show them their complete and utter inability to live up to the just demands of the law and to seek mercy and forgiveness by faith instead.
Now, a Gentile is no better because he could not live up to the just demands of the law either.
The law actually makes all guilty before God.
And it has nothing to do with a made-up doctrine called “Total Depravity”.

Has nothing to do with “Total Depravity”.
It has to do with righteousness before God.

Where do you see the righteousness of God in these verses?

I see the depravity of man.

Rom 3:9 What then? Are we better? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 as it is written, “THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
Rom 3:12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME WORTHLESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”
Rom 3:13 “THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN TOMB, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,” “THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS”;
Rom 3:14 “WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS”;
Rom 3:15 “THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD,
Rom 3:16 DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS,
Rom 3:17 AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN.”
Rom 3:18 “THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.”

God didn’t enter into covenant with Gentiles. He entered into covenant with the Israelites He brought out of Egypt.

Sin nature is the same whether Jew or Gentile.

And the purpose of the giving of His law to them was to show them their complete and utter inability to live up to the just demands of the law and to seek mercy and forgiveness by faith instead.

The law was given to convict man of sin, no?
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! Rather, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law. For I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “YOU SHALL NOT COVET.”

Do you believe that sin corrupts all parts of a human?

 

[electedbyHim]

It’s because they seek righteousness by their own works of the law. They completely turn away from the only way righteousness can be found. By faith.
When the Jew realizes his complete inability to live up to the just demands of the law, he must seek forgiveness and righteousness in some other way. The Way God has provided it.

When the Jew realizes his complete inability to live up to the just demands of the law, he must seek forgiveness and righteousness in some other way. The Way God has provided it.

If men have complete inability to live up to the law, what makes you think they will seek forgiveness?

They are unable to, they do not have the ability.

I will take it a step further, Paul says in chapter 8 that the unregenerate is at enmity with God, they want nothing to do with Him.

Rom 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God, for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
Rom 8:8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.