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TOTAL DEPRAVITY

They most certainly made up the term and added it to scripture.
They’ve done so because they don’t know why Adam and Eve didn’t drop dead as soon as they had bitten into the fruit.

Try reject the actual words of scripture and replace them with their own idea.
What do you think "spiritually dead" refers to?
 
This just shows that you don't understand the nature of interpreting Scripture and is spiritual pride.

'Has God ever said anyone was “spiritually dead”?

No, He has not. NOT ONCE!'

https://christianforums.net/threads/but-election-isnt-fair.111107/page-10#post-1928031

"The idea is that God’s angels were created in God’s own image and likeness. And when God commands His angels to make man in His own image and likeness, it would be the same image and likeness of both He and the angels.
The only difference in that image and likeness would be that man was formed from the earth and mortal whereas the image of God and His angels is immortal.
...
And the angels being created in God’s own image makes the natural reading fit.
IOW, Both God and His angels have the same image and likeness, and when God commands man to be made in that image, the angels respond and do it."

https://christianforums.net/threads/angels-are-corporeal-not-spirits.111185/#post-1927140

Those are your opinions and not what Scripture actually states.

Anyway, let's move on.
Pride is thinking you can add your own words and ideas to scripture. As if the ones God has already given us are insufficient.
 
What do you think "spiritually dead" refers to?
It’s not a term found in scripture. Nor has it a place there.
Adam was given the death sentence on the very day he ate the fruit.
Therefore, to be dead in trespasses and sin is to be under the same condemnation of Adam. To die and return to dust.
 
Pride is thinking you can add your own words and ideas to scripture. As if the ones God has already given us are insufficient.
It's also thinking you're always right and everyone is wrong without being humble enough to admit that you could be wrong. But, your statement ignores the fact that people often unintentionally add their own words and ideas to Scripture, thinking that they have the right understanding when they do not.
 
It’s not a term found in scripture. Nor has it a place there.
This is a non-sequitur.

Adam was given the death sentence on the very day he ate the fruit.
Therefore, to be dead in trespasses and sin is to be under the same condemnation of Adam. To die and return to dust.
If you aren't going to define it, then perhaps you should stop saying it isn't in the Bible and accusing others of adding to Scripture.
 
This just shows that you don't understand the nature of interpreting Scripture and is spiritual pride.

'Has God ever said anyone was “spiritually dead”?

No, He has not. NOT ONCE!'

https://christianforums.net/threads/but-election-isnt-fair.111107/page-10#post-1928031

"The idea is that God’s angels were created in God’s own image and likeness. And when God commands His angels to make man in His own image and likeness, it would be the same image and likeness of both He and the angels.
The only difference in that image and likeness would be that man was formed from the earth and mortal whereas the image of God and His angels is immortal.
...
And the angels being created in God’s own image makes the natural reading fit.
IOW, Both God and His angels have the same image and likeness, and when God commands man to be made in that image, the angels respond and do it."

https://christianforums.net/threads/angels-are-corporeal-not-spirits.111185/#post-1927140

Those are your opinions and not what Scripture actually states.

Anyway, let's move on.
I made those comments because the ‘us’ and ‘our’ is most often thought to be referring to God and His angels.
It is only in Trinitarianism that “they” are said to refer to the Father speaking to His son who wasn’t even born yet.
 
I made those comments because the ‘us’ and ‘our’ is most often thought to be referring to God and His angels.
It is only in Trinitarianism that “they” are said to refer to the Father speaking to His son who wasn’t even born yet.
Still, you spoke of it as true which is to add your own thoughts (which you have just done again), that is the point.
 
This is a non-sequitur.


If you aren't going to define it, then perhaps you should stop saying it isn't in the Bible and accusing others of adding to Scripture.
As I said, the term is brought into the scripture because they don’t know why Adam didn’t drop dead as soon as he put the fruit in his mouth.
They reject the words of God who told Adam he was now to return to where he came from.
They reject those words and add their own. They say Adam died spiritually as soon as he ate the fruit.
Only problem with that is they have no witnesses or testimony from scripture to back it up.
 
How exactly do they contradict each other?

Totally Depraved?
Not Utter Depravity?

Totally means utterly and utterly means totally.

To say a person is totally depraved, but not utterly depraved is a complete contradiction.

But of course you know that.


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Arguing over unbiblical words and terms is utterly and totally a waste of time.
 
As I said, the term is brought into the scripture because they don’t know why Adam didn’t drop dead as soon as he put the fruit in his mouth.
They reject the words of God who told Adam he was now to return to where he came from.
They reject those words and add their own. They say Adam died spiritually as soon as he ate the fruit.
Only problem with that is they have no witnesses or testimony from scripture to back it up.
Either define what is meant by "spiritually dead" before you continue making arguments against it, or perhaps it would be best to stop making arguments against it, as it suggests they're based on ignorance.
 
Either define what is meant by "spiritually dead" before you continue making arguments against it, or perhaps it would be best to stop making arguments against it, as it suggests they're based on ignorance.
I’m simply defending God’s own words against the made-up ones.
God sentenced Adam to return to the ground where he came from. He did not sentence him to “spiritual death”.
Those are God’s own words against the made-up ones.
 
I’m simply defending God’s own words against the made-up ones.
No, you're not. Now, please, define what is meant by "spiritually dead."

God sentenced Adam to return to the ground where he came from.
Those are God’s own words.
Of course he did, but what does that have to do with anything?
 
No, you're not. Now, please, define what is meant by "spiritually dead."


Of course he did, but what does that have to do with anything?
God did not cause Adam to become “spiritually dead”. Nor did Adam become “spiritually dead”.
Adam became a dead man when he ate the fruit.
Adam was sentenced to return to where he came from.
That’s what is meant by being dead in trespasses and sin.
Not from my own words, but God’s words.

But they reject those words. And instead add their own idea of Adam becoming “spiritually dead” because Adam didn’t drop dead as soon as he ate.
 
God did not cause Adam to become “spiritually dead”. Nor did Adam become “spiritually dead”.
Adam became a dead man when he ate the fruit.
Adam was sentenced to return to where he came from.
That’s what is meant by being dead in trespasses and sin.
Not from my own words, but God’s words.

But they reject those words. And instead add their own idea of Adam becoming “spiritually dead”.

Could you post the verse with context you are referring to?
 
Could you post the verse with context you are referring to?
God told Adam that on the day he ate the fruit he would surely die.
Adam didn’t die immediately when he ate the fruit. But he was sentenced to death on that day.
Therefore, going by what the text says, Adam was not to die immediately when he put the fruit in his mouth. He was to be sentenced to return to where he came from.
Calvinist reject those words in favor of their made-up idea of Adam dying spiritually as soon as he ate.
So they add the word “spiritually” to the text.

“On the day that thou eat of it thou shall surely ‘spiritually die’”???
Nope.
 
God did not cause Adam to become “spiritually dead”. Nor did Adam become “spiritually dead”.
Adam became a dead man when he ate the fruit.
Adam was sentenced to return to where he came from.
That’s what is meant by being dead in trespasses and sin.
Not from my own words, but God’s words.

But they reject those words. And instead add their own idea of Adam becoming “spiritually dead” because Adam didn’t drop dead as soon as he ate.
Your reasoning is unsound. Once again, please define what is meant by "spiritually dead" or stop arguing against it.
 
Your reasoning is unsound. Once again, please define what is meant by "spiritually dead" or stop arguing against it.
The term is not found anywhere in scripture. It’s a man-made term added to scripture in places wherever they want to add it.
I’m defending the scripture words.
 
The term is not found anywhere in scripture.
Which is entirely and utterly irrelevant to whether the doctrine is found in Scripture. Your argument is fallacious.

It’s a man-made term added to scripture in places wherever they want to add it.
I’m defending the scripture words.
You're defending your own opinion of what Scripture states, as you don't even understand what you're defending against. Not a good look.

Anyway, I've made my point. There is no further use in discussing this with you until you show you actually know what you're talking about.
 
Which is entirely and utterly irrelevant to whether the doctrine is found in Scripture. Your argument is fallacious.


You're defending your own opinion of what Scripture states, as you don't even understand what you're defending against. Not a good look.
Why do you think your added ideas are to be accepted?
Do you think the words that are already there are insufficient?
 
Which is entirely and utterly irrelevant to whether the doctrine is found in Scripture. Your argument is fallacious.


You're defending your own opinion of what Scripture states, as you don't even understand what you're defending against. Not a good look.

Anyway, I've made my point. There is no further use in discussing this with you until you show you actually know what you're talking about.
I’m going by the actual words that are spoken. Adam was told he would die, and he did. Just not immediately. As per the judgment and sentence upon him from God.

This is not only what the scripture says, but is also reality of law and justice.
To kill a man is to be killed by man. To kill a man is not to drop dead on the spot because it is a capital crime.
 
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