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Mankind was created in God's image , we ALL have a spiritual capacity as His image bearers .
7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
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7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
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Man sinned in Adam and that image died and its dead, its renewed in regeneration Col 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
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Sigh , the nebulous " sin nature " .
Not really. I understand it as "all kinds of men" or "all without distinction"
Acts 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
All who are far off, but as many as the Lord God will call.
We know that God ordains thing to happen that violate His commandments. Luke tells us in Acts 4:27-28:
both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together
Act 4:28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.
But at the trial many bore false witness against Jesus and of course they basically murdered Him.
If you want something more intellectual, I found this:
If God Desires All to Be Saved, Why Aren’t They?
God “desires all people to be saved,” Paul tells us — but clearly not all people are saved. Does this mean God cannot do what he wants to do?
www.desiringgod.org
I know it is threatened, but not sure if it is actually said that it happens.
Exodus 32:32 Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written." 33 And the LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
All of those people that came out of Egypt sinned against God, even Moses. God forgave them a bunch of times.
Deuteronomy 29:19 and so it may not happen, when he hears the words of this curse, that he blesses himself in his heart, saying, 'I shall have peace, even though I follow the dictates of my heart'—as though the drunkard could be included with the sober. 20 "The LORD would not spare him; for then the anger of the LORD and His jealousy would burn against that man, and every curse that is written in this book would settle on him, and the LORD would blot out his name from under heaven.
Is that the same thing as having his name blotted out of the book of life?
Psalm 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, And not be written with the righteous.
Revelation 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Since God is Spirit, I doubt if He has an actual physical book.
Good news. Have you ever watched a news report or in a newspaper about a plane crash with 200 people on board and it says "good news, 20 people made it out alive?"
Ephesians 3:3 how the mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have written briefly. . . .5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. 6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
The Jews had salvation locked into their system. If you wanted to be saved, you became a Jew, got circumcised (if a male) or married a Jewish man (like Ruth) and did all the rituals and sacrifices and so forth.
I think the good news is now that Jesus has come, it is now open up to everybody. Now Jews and gentiles come together as one body. No more circumcision and sacrificing animals. No more having to make a trip to Jerusalem and following dietary laws and so forth.
But the bad news is that you have to come through Jesus. You can't come through Buddha or Krishna or Muhammad. You still have to repent and stop doing some things.
The good news isn't that God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. Tell that to first century Christians who were killed in the arena by lions or wild dogs. Tell that to a lot of Christians today living under Islam.
‘‘We Don’t Know What to Do or How to Pray. We’ve Had Enough of Massacres!’: The Muslim Persecution of Christians, February 2025
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www.raymondibrahim.com
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Why is coming to God through Jesus bad news?
BTW, Krishna, Buddha and Muhammad did not claim to be God.
I like that you said that now that Jesus has come,,,IT is open to everybody (I hope you mean the gospel and salvation).
So again...could you just explain HOW a person is saved?
I never said what you just said you think I said which I never said.
And with that, I bid you a good night.
Not explaining your verse BTW,,,,
not because it's correctly understood,
but because I'm so tired of explaining verses this evening.
Have a good evening W....
and I really mean it.
‘‘We Don’t Know What to Do or How to Pray. We’ve Had Enough of Massacres!’: The Muslim Persecution of Christians, February 2025
Gatestone Institute The following are among the abuses and murders inflicted on Christians by Muslims throughout the month of February 2025. The Muslim Slaughter of Christians Democratic Republic of Congo: The beheaded corpses of seventy Christians—men, women, and children—were found inside a...www.raymondibrahim.com
‘The Caliphate … Killed 41 Christians [Who] Were Stabbed with Knives’: The Muslim Persecution of Christians, January 2025
Gatestone Institute The following are among the abuses and murders inflicted on Christians by Muslims throughout the month of January 2025. The Muslim Abduction, Rape, and Forced Conversion of Christian Girls Pakistan: On Jan 5, Muhammad Ali, a 35-year-old married Muslim man, abducted Saba...www.raymondibrahim.com
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Calvinism and the cross Jesus died on for our sins is certainly not the same thing.
That’s blasphemy.
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If your not sure if God blots out of the book of life, then you are not sure that God has people in the book of life.
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God can do anything He wants, obviously. But the fact that He doesn't save everyone is not evidence that He doesn't want everyone to be saved. It is evidence that He cares for the lost and doesn't take pleasure in punishing anyone with eternal fire for their sins.
He soverignly decided long ago that He would save from His wrath every person who puts his trust in the sacrifice His Son made for our sins (1 Cor 1:21). He has no other requirements than that one. He broadcasts the gospel message to everyone and will let no one off the hook if they reject His offer of salvation in Christ.
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Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38
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I plainly said that you saying Calvinism and the Gospel message of the cross is the same thing is blasphemy.
Most Calvinist’s don’t believe the things you teach, such as being saved before you hear and believe the Gospel.
That my friend is a Christ-less gospel.
That doesn't say what you want it to.
1 Corinthians 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
It just says that God decided to save people by having them hear the gospel and believe it.
Again, it is a fact that most people in the last 2,000 years have not heard that preaching.
That doesn't seem like a wise plan if you want every human being to be saved.
We think that God chose those He wanted to save before the foundation of the world, and then makes sure they hear the gospel and believe it. The rest of the people He just passes over.
Philippians 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, . . .
John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, . . .
That verses needs to be changed into "all that the Father saw would believe in me the Father gives to me."
Also, not just those the Father saw would believe in Jesus, but it has to be those who endured to the end.
The Father wouldn't give somebody who starts to believe and then falls away to Jesus.
And this gets into the "once saved always saved." Nobody is given to Jesus that the Father sees fall away. Therefore, only those who endure to the end are given and thus the only ones that are saved and saved forever.
You mean reject it one time? A 20 year old who rejects the gospel can't change his mind 20 years later and accept the gospel?
Because if you don't do it you will suffer forever gnashing your teeth and weeping.
But they claimed a way of salvation or nirvana or whatever apart from God's method.
Muhammad claimed he was serving Allah, a god that has no son.
The short answer is they hear the gospel preached (or maybe read it in a Bible in a hotel) and believe it, get baptized and are pronounced saved.
The more technical answer is that God chooses Joe Blow before the foundation of the world, God works it out that Joe Blow hears the gospel, the Holy Spirit opens his heart to believe and so he does.
Joe Blow is not saved before he believes, but he is chosen to be saved at a specific time and place of God's choosing.
God simply passes over the rest of mankind and leaves them alone. He does not make them not believe. He may do that to some people as a judicial act after their rebelling against Him like He did to most of the Jews in that last generation.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written: "GOD HAS GIVEN THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR, EYES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT SEE AND EARS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HEAR, TO THIS VERY DAY."
Romans 11:5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
I didn't say you actually said that. But I have heard it a million times.
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Fair enough.
And I urge you also, true companion, help these women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life.
Philippians 4:3
He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Revelation 3:5
