TULIP - Irresistible Grace
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Where did Jesus ever say TULIP, which are the teachings of Calvinism are the Gospel?
Jesus taught us God loves the world.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:16-17
Jesus taught us God sent His Son into the world that the world through His Son might be saved.
Who in the world is excluded from God’s love and salvation?
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For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. Romans 9:3-5
God choose (preferred) elected to use Paul’s countrymen according to the flesh, to be the lineage of the Messiah.
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The words hate and all. All quotes from the NKJ
Matthew 10:17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. . . . 21 "Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
Okay, Jesus' sermon here starts with "Beware of men." So in verse 22 when He says "you will be hated by all" He means "all men."
You will be hated by "all men." Do you really think that Jesus means you will be hated by every single person in the world, including every Christian? If not, then "all" doesn't always mean "all without exception."
And when Jesus says you will be hated by all, does He means you will be "less preferred" than those not hated?
hated in Matthew 10:22 = G3404 - miseō - From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute
Romans 9:13 As it is written, "JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU I HAVE HATED." G3404
In the Matthew passage it means: "they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you, and be put to death."
John 15:18 "If the world hates (G3404) you, you know that it hated (G3404) Me before it hated you.
That underlined part isn't in the Greek. It simply says "it hated me before you.
Matthew 10:17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. . . . 21 "Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
Okay, Jesus' sermon here starts with "Beware of men." So in verse 22 when He says "you will be hated by all" He means "all men."
You will be hated by "all men." Do you really think that Jesus means you will be hated by every single person in the world, including every Christian? If not, then "all" doesn't always mean "all without exception."
And when Jesus says you will be hated by all, does He means you will be "less preferred" than those not hated?
hated in Matthew 10:22 = G3404 - miseō - From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute
Romans 9:13 As it is written, "JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU I HAVE HATED." G3404
In the Matthew passage it means: "they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you, and be put to death."
John 15:18 "If the world hates (G3404) you, you know that it hated (G3404) Me before it hated you.
That underlined part isn't in the Greek. It simply says "it hated me before you.
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Not only context but things God has said about Himself. The whole counsel of God.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,'
Pleasure: H2656 - chephets
Word Origin: Derived from the root חָפֵץ (chafets), meaning "to delight in" or "to desire."
Usage: The Hebrew word "chephets" primarily conveys the idea of delight or pleasure, often in the context of what is pleasing or desirable. It can also refer to a purpose or matter of interest. In the biblical context, it is used to describe both human desires and God's pleasure or will.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
You claim that God sent His Son with the desire or purpose that everybody without exception be saved.
We all know that this doesn't happen - you have a contradiction.
Calvinists claim that God sent His Son with the purpose of saving all kinds of people out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation. The Bible tells us that this is exactly what happens. Calvinists are in harmony with Scripture.
Notice, I didn't mention the word elect one time.
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Calvinists claim that God only sent His son to save the elect.
Here’s what Jesus taught -
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
God loves the unsaved people of the world.
God sent His Son into the world, so that the world through His Son might be saved.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
John 3:17
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Nothing can separate us from the love of God, not even those who choose to go to the depths of hell because they reject His Son Jesus Christ. God still loves them.
For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38
Just because God loves us, doesn’t mean we can’t go to hell.
You are twisting something Paul said to saved Christians.
Who is Paul writing to and talking about?
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Romans 8:33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? . . .
Who do you think the us is? It is those who are in Christ Jesus - God's elect. It is born again Christians that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord applies to.
Since you want to only keep posting the same passages and ignore everything else we give you, I am done playing your game.
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I will be glad to discuss any scriptures you provide.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
God accomplished His will through Jesus Christ His Son.
He desires all men to be saved, and provided for this through His Son.
God will not force men to believe in His Son.
Each person must choose to believe and follow Jesus Christ.
- My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28
Plainly being a follower of Jesus Christ is a condition for salvation.
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Paul is writing to Christians in the book of Romans.
Here is some context about Romans 8 -
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
- There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh
Notice that Paul makes it clear he is talking about those who are in Christ Jesus; a reference to people who are saved.
Those who are in Christ Jesus must choose to walk according to the Spirit, to avoid condemnation.
Those who are in Christ Jesus are loved by God.
Agreed?
Those who are in Christ Jesus must walk according to the Spirit to avoid condemnation.
Paul plainly writes about walking according to the flesh and those who do so…
I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh…
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
- that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Those who are in Christ Jesus who live their life according to the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God.
God loves them. Nothing will stop God from loving them.
Nothing will separate them from God’s love, not even if they choose to reject the teachings of Christ, and end up in the depths of hell… God still loves them.
God loves while we were sinners and He loves us when we are in Christ, and He loves us if we choose to return to being sinners.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9
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Whatever
They are being caused to believe the testimony of the Gospel, i.e 2 Thess 1:10
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Was believed is in the passive voice, so they were caused, acted upon to believe the Gospel Testimony.
They are being caused to believe the testimony of the Gospel, i.e 2 Thess 1:10
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Was believed is in the passive voice, so they were caused, acted upon to believe the Gospel Testimony.
Irresistible Grace
I stands for irresistible grace, which refers to God’s loving power in salvation. Essentially, it says that if God loves you and wants you in His family, He is going to get you. He loves you so much that He will ensure that you come to faith, and He is powerful enough to guarantee your faith.
What Is TULIP?
What do tulips, the love of God, and a centuries-old understanding of salvation have in common? They are all reflected in what has come to be known as the five
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Let’s examine the core meaning of Irresistible Grace which is summed up in this phrase …
- if God loves you and wants you in His family,
Jesus plainly says that God loves the world, and desires for them to be saved, to have eternal life, which clearly means He wants everyone to be a part of His family; to be His children.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
God loves us before we are born again.
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4:10
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:17
God loves the unsaved people of the world and desires for them to be saved and be His child.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:3-4
The truth is God loves you and I.
He loved us while we were unsaved sinners.
Jesus Christ was sent into the world that the world through might become saved a be in the family of God.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.
Acts 16:31
The doctrine of Irresistible Grace is not biblical.
Irresistible Grace
I stands for irresistible grace, which refers to God’s loving power in salvation. Essentially, it says that if God loves you and wants you in His family, He is going to get you. He loves you so much that He will ensure that you come to faith, and He is powerful enough to guarantee your faith.
What Is TULIP?
What do tulips, the love of God, and a centuries-old understanding of salvation have in common? They are all reflected in what has come to be known as the five
learn.ligonier.org
Let’s examine the core meaning of Irresistible Grace which is summed up in this phrase …
- if God loves you and wants you in His family,
Jesus plainly says that God loves the world, and desires for them to be saved, to have eternal life, which clearly means He wants everyone to be a part of His family; to be His children.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
God loves us before we are born again.
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4:10
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:17
God loves the unsaved people of the world and desires for them to be saved and be His child.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:3-4
The truth is God loves you and I.
He loved us while we were unsaved sinners.
Jesus Christ was sent into the world that the world through might become saved a be in the family of God.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.
Acts 16:31
The doctrine of Irresistible Grace is not biblical.
God loves the unsaved people of the world and desires for them to be saved.
Then how do you explain these passages which teach that God also hates sinners: Lev 26:30; Deut 25:16; Job 12:21-22; Ps 5:5-6; 11:5; 15:1-5; 31:6; 45:7; 73:18-20; 95:10-11; 101:3; Prov 3:32; 6:16-19; 11:20; 2Chron 19:2; Isa 41:22-24; Jer 12:8; Lam 2:6-7; Hos 9:15; Nah 1:14; Dan 12:2; Rom 9:13? Can God contradict himself? Or are you reading your own love presuppositions into a text like Jn 3:16 that makes you interpret "kosmos" (world) in the distributive sense, when this term is actually quite nuanced and is used in various ways in scripture?
