Understanding The Law Of Moses - With The Help Of The Prophets And The Apostles

[GodsGrace]

But he and his Father are one (John 10:30), so whatever Jesus says, it's as good as what God says, and whatever God says, it's as good as what Jesus says. Your logic is separating the Trinity.

Finding excuses so you can release yourself from conscience and feel free in sin will not help you. Just accept truth, mortify your flesh, and stop causing unnecessary confusion.

Confusion.
Yes, there certainly is a lot of confusion.
Wish I could understand why since the NT is so clear.

 

[eddif]

People seem to miss the fact that there were 3 types of Law in the OT.
CEREMONIAL
CIVIL
MORAL

This is not to start a war but please quote source scripture. I often use PaRDeS but I know it comes from the 1200s? I just have parable explanation:
Seed - Word of God
Ground - men’s hearts
Stony ground
Good Ground
Sower - son of God
In another place:
Briars
Fowl of the air

Just a little help. We all see through a glass darkly. Not blind.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

To love, you need to have love in you. To have love in yourself, you need to accept and grow in the grace that came from Jesus Christ. To grow in grace you must die to the law of commandments.
Peter 2nd 3; 17-18
"You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen."

What does it mean to die to the law of commandments?
Please explain if it means that we are NOT to keep the 10 commandments.
I say YES, we are to keep the 10 commandments.

What is the error of the wicked?
Did you read all of 2 Peter 3:14-18?

I think you missed a couple of sentences.
To be cont'd.
'night.

 

[Rookie]

To love, you need to have love in you. To have love in yourself, you need to accept and grow in the grace that came from Jesus Christ. To grow in grace you must die to the law of commandments.

So basically, according to you. if theirs no law to follow, and no roadmap to follow, it's up to your Spiritual Spidey senses to know whats right?
Theology like this is the dangers when you impose on yourself the right to start defining how Christianity works.
Here's a good read:
Galatians 5:13-21

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[GodsGrace]

This is not to start a war but please quote source scripture. I often use PaRDeS but I know it comes from the 1200s? I just have parable explanation:
Seed - Word of God
Ground - men’s hearts
Stony ground
Good Ground
Sower - son of God
In another place:
Briars
Fowl of the air

Just a little help. We all see through a glass darkly. Not blind.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I know Ed, you always say we see through a glass darkly.
I don't know what the PaRDeS is.

If you read through the OT Tanak, I should say the Torah, sorry ---
you'll find that there are different TYPES of Law.
I'll try to find a link that states all 3 and some examples.
This you cannot deny.

So the question becomes this:

Can we keep all 3 types of Law?
Why or why not?

1. Civil– Deals with disputes between individuals. Expired with the demise of the Jewish civil government
   
   1. Be just with the poor, (Lev. 19:15)
   2. Cattle, of neighbor (Deut. 22:1-4)
   3. Children, rebellious (Deut. 21:18-21)
   4. Debt (Lev. 23:34-43; Deut. 31:10)
   5. Divorce (Deut. 22:19)
   6. Dress, attire (Deut. 22:5)
   7. Do not hate in your heart (Lev. 19:17)
   8. Inheritance (Num. 18:26; 26:53-56; 36:8-12)
   9. Justice practices (Lev. 24:17-23)
   10. Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16)
   11. Landmarks (Deuteronomy 19:14)
   12. Property redemption (Lev. 25)
   13. Murder and killing (Deut. 21:1-4)
   14. Retain just scales in commerce (Lev. 19:35f)
   15. Robbery, extortion, false witness, and restitution (Lev. 6:1-7)
   16. Sabbath breaking punishment (Num. 15:32-36)
   17. Theft (Deut. 5:19; Lev. 19:11)
   18. Warfare (Deut. 20:1-20)
2. Ceremonial – Expired with the fulfillment of priestly work of Christ (Matt. 3:15)
   
   1. Cleaning house of leper (Lev. 14:33-57; Num. 5:2)
   2. Festivals (Lev. 23:1-25; Nu. 29:39)
   3. Laws on animals for food (Lev. 11:1-47)
   4. Law of Atonement (Lev. 16:1-28;17:1-16)
   5. Offerings (Num. 29:39)
   6. Priest, consecration of (Ex. 29:1-46)
   7. Priestly duties (Lev. 7:1-37)
   8. Regulations for Priests (Lev. 21,22)
   9. Various sacrificial offerings for sin (Lev. 1,2,3,4,5,6)
3. Moral – No Expiration because it is based on God’s character. “You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy,” (Lev. 19:2)
   
   1. Idolatry (Lev. 26:1-13)
   2. Love God (Deut. 6:4)
   3. Love your neighbor as yourself (Lev. 19:18)
   4. Oppress your neighbor (Lev. 19:13)
   5. Stealing or lying (Lev. 19:11)
   6. Sacrifice children to Molech forbidden (Lev. 20:1-5)
   7. Sexual sins: adultery, incest, bestiality, homosexuality, etc. (Lev. 18:20; 20:9-21; Num. 5:12-15)

source: https://carm.org/about-doctrine/what-are-the-main-divisions-of-the-old-testament-law/


As you must know by now, I link to articles I agree with...no affiliation with any Christian group that I post.
Also, if you care to do a study on this, you'll find a lot of information on the internet.
If you care to use only the bible, then you'll have to come up with the theology yourself.

 

[eddif]

So basically, according to you. if theirs no law to follow, and no roadmap to follow, it's up to your Spiritual Spidey senses to know whats right?
Theology like this is the dangers when you impose on yourself the right to start defining how Christianity works.
Here's a good read:
Galatians 5:13-21

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Be nice
eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

Be nice
eddif

There is nothing wrong with the other member's post.
Please leave the moderating to the moderators.
Thanks.

 

[light breeze]

What does it mean to die to the law of commandments?
Please explain if it means that we are NOT to keep the 10 commandments.
I say YES, we are to keep the 10 commandments.

What is the error of the wicked?
Did you read all of 2 Peter 3:14-18?

I think you missed a couple of sentences.
To be cont'd.
'night.

Have you ever wondered what it means "the strength of sin is the law" ? (Corinthians 15; 56)

 

[GodsGrace]

This is not to start a war but please quote source scripture. I often use PaRDeS but I know it comes from the 1200s? I just have parable explanation:
Seed - Word of God
Ground - men’s hearts
Stony ground
Good Ground
Sower - son of God
In another place:
Briars
Fowl of the air

Just a little help. We all see through a glass darkly. Not blind.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Good thread Ed.
Everyone is behaving.
No war to be started !!

 

[eddif]

Confusion.
Yes, there certainly is a lot of confusion.
Wish I could understand why since the NT is so clear.

Parable type teaching started being discussed in Isaiah 6. So that hearing they hear not and seeing they see not.

I am wearing out my 10th pair of sunglasses. LOL

edif

 

[Thekjv]

But he and his Father are one (John 10:30), so whatever Jesus says, it's as good as what God says, and whatever God says, it's as good as what Jesus says. Your logic is separating the Trinity.

Finding excuses so you can release yourself from conscience and feel free in sin will not help you. Just accept truth, mortify your flesh, and stop causing unnecessary confusion

And Jesus said follow His commandments and you can not accept that Jesus followed the old made by is Father and brought New to the earth, you are on you on accord mixing two covenants too suit your self. Eph 2:15

 

[light breeze]

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

Exactly. "by the Spirit" . Not "by the letter of the law"

 

[Rookie]

Have you ever wondered what it means "the strength of sin is the law" ? (Corinthians 15; 56)

Have you heard of Romans 7:12

"But still, the law itself is holy, and its commands are holy and right and good." Which holy (1 Peter 1:16), good (Psalm 107:1), and right (Psalm 33:4), are all characteristics of God? So how can the law be sinful and be of God?

I think a better explanation is, the law is the mirror that exposes our sin, but it cannot cleanse us of sin, only reveal it to us, following a mirror will only make your sin more apparent. But seeing the mirror that your face is dirty should prompt you to get in that Holy Water of Righteousness and wash your face of inquity and pluck out the sleep of sin out your eye.

 

[Rookie]

Exactly. "by the Spirit" . Not by the letter of the law

And what defines the Spirit, your preferences? Love how you ignored everything else.

 

[Rookie]

And Jesus said follow His commandments and you can not accept that Jesus followed the old made by is Father and brought New to the earth, you are on you on accord mixing two covenants too suit your self. Eph 2:15

The sentence wording makes it hard to understand what your saying, maybe rephrase that, because Jesus followed the law to a T, hence why he, "fulfilled the law".

Matthew 5:17 and Romans 7:12 should have long silenced the argument, but when humans want to do what they want to do....

James 1:21, "So get rid of all filth and evil in your lives, and humbly accept the word God has planted in your hearts, for it has the power to save your souls."

 

[light breeze]

Have you heard of Romans 7:12

"But still, the law itself is holy, and its commands are holy and right and good." Which holy (1 Peter 1:16), good (Psalm 107:1), and right (Psalm 33:4), are all characteristics of God? So how can the law be sinful and be of God?

Did Paul write in Corinthians 15:56 that law is sinful and is of God ?

 

[Rookie]

Did Paul write in Corinthians 15:56 that law is sinful and is of God ?

Again I will say, Romans 7:12 (which Paul wrote, so is Paul contradicting himself?)

2 Things

Either Scripture is contradicting itself, meaning that the Bible isn't trustworthy, or the understanding of Scripture has been twisted. I believe the latter on your part. Your taking a single version and creating your doctrine out of it, and are taking it out of context. Read the whole chapter in continuity, and you can see your doctrine is purely fallacious.

 

[eddif]

Ah yes.
Now we are back to finding out what is underneath the stony exterior of the law.

I absolutely realize I am an uncouth redneck. I mess up all the time (sin).
I really appreciate the control everyone is showing.

The not muzzle ox is a scripture that is explained.

The slain lamb is pretty much covered.

Joseph of Egypt has about 20 parallels to Jesus.
Joseph special coat
Jesus special garment
Joseph in prison with two people
Jesus on cross between two people.
Joseph saved world from starvation
Jesus granted eternal life

Y’all feel free to look at the underlying good things of the law.

The law was a schoolmaster till Jesus came.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[light breeze]

And what defines the Spirit, your preferences? Love how you ignored everything else.

Growing in grace we come to know Him, whom we no longer know in the flesh.
Phillipians 3; 9-10
"and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
that I may KNOW Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death"

I am not ignoring. I'm just not very fluent in English

 

[eddif]

The sentence wording makes it hard to understand what your saying, maybe rephrase that, because Jesus followed the law to a T, hence why he, "fulfilled the law".

Matthew 5:17 and Romans 7:12 should have long silenced the argument, but when humans want to do what they want to do....

James 1:21, "So get rid of all filth and evil in your lives, and humbly accept the word God has planted in your hearts, for it has the power to save your souls."

Under the law King David ste of the shewbread.
Matthew 12:4 kjv
4. How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

So Jesus allowed the disciples to eat corn on the Sabbath.

Can I do a 1000 word essay on the cornfield relevance? I doubt it. Can I say some deep understanding is going on? Yes.

eddif.