Unique, Not Only-Begotten

[Runningman]

so Isaiah 9:6, when used for Jesus Christ, must read "Mighty Hero", or something.

Correct, because Isaiah 9:6 is not concerning YHWH.

and 10:21, when used for the Father, is "Mighty God"?

Correct, because Isaiah 10:21 is concerning YHWH.

this is perverting the Word of God to suit your theology!

False. That's what you're doing. Isaiah 45:5 says there is not other God but YHWH whom you correctly identified as the Father.

5I am the LORD, and there is no other;
there is no God but Me.

It matters not that the phrase is translated different in other uses, as we have "Elohim", which is also used for false "gods", the context and usage is what matters!

ok?

For the honest person, Titus 2:13 says that Jesus Christ is "our Great God", which is the same as "Mighty God"

Jesus wasn't called God in Titus 2:13. Great God and Savior Jesus are two different persons grammatically.

In Revelation 5:13-14, what is said of the Father, is EQUALLY to Jesus Christ, and BOTH are WORSHIPED TOGETHER!

No they are not equal. God and Jesus are not the same person.

Revelation 21
22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

 

[Runningman]

Yahweh Sends Yahweh

Yahweh Sends Yahweh It is argued by some, that, the fact that Jesus Christ is “Sent” by God the Father, is “proof” that the Father is “greater” than the Son, even in the Godhead, as God. The “Sent”, it is further argued, is never equal to the “Sender”. We have two passages, from Zechariah and...

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John 17:3 says the Father is the only true God who sent Jesus. You're using a strawman argument against something I never said or proposed.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Even though they considered Him a liar & blasphemer and desired to kill Him the religious authorities who were experts in the subject of sin , knew with confidence that there was only force in the universe that had power to take away sin, and sanctify life.

Mar 2:7
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

 

[SolaScriptura]

Correct, because Isaiah 9:6 is not concerning YHWH.


Correct, because Isaiah 10:21 is concerning YHWH.


False. That's what you're doing. Isaiah 45:5 says there is not other God but YHWH whom you correctly identified as the Father.

5I am the LORD, and there is no other;
there is no God but Me.


ok?


Jesus wasn't called God in Titus 2:13. Great God and Savior Jesus are two different persons grammatically.


No they are not equal. God and Jesus are not the same person.

Revelation 21
22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

You cannot admit what the Bible teaches about Jesus Christ, because you can't "see" this Great Truth about Him, that He IS YHWH, THE Great God Almighty!

 

[SolaScriptura]

John 17:3 says the Father is the only true God who sent Jesus. You're using a strawman argument against something I never said or proposed.

wrong!

Yet again the Bible is against what you believe!

Jesus Christ The Only Wise God

Jesus Christ The Only Wise God It is argued by some, that verses in the Bible, like John 17:3, where the Father is called, “The only True God”; and Romans 16:27, where the Father is called, “God only wise”; that Jesus Christ is not “God” (ὁ θεὸς), because in these passages, the Father is...

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[SolaScriptura]

Even though they considered Him a liar & blasphemer and desired to kill Him the religious authorities who were experts in the subject of sin , knew with confidence that there was only force in the universe that had power to take away sin, and sanctify life.

Mar 2:7
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Jesus Christ forgave sins!!!

WHY did you not quote the passage in Mark?

8 At once, Jesus knew inwardly what they were thinking. He asked them, “Why do you have these thoughts? 9 Is it easier to say to this paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, pick up your cot, and walk’? 10 I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” Then he said to the paralyzed man, 11 “I’m telling you to get up, pick up your cot, and go home!”

VERY CLEAR!

BTW, are you a Jehovah's Witness?

 

[GodsGrace]

all the Old Testament passages you quote, are Prophecy!

And Jesus has fulfilled them.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Even though they considered Him a liar & blasphemer and desired to kill Him the religious authorities who were experts in the subject of sin , knew with confidence that there was only force in the universe that had power to take away sin, and sanctify life.

Mar 2:7
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Jesus Christ forgave sins!!!

WHY did you not quote the passage in Mark?

Because even the scribes & pharisees were right some of the time .
As in this case.
Right in principle, but wrong in application.
They ignorantly gave testimony to who Jesus actually is.
It is true that only God can forgive sin .
That's a yes or a no by the way ?
Which leaves only one possibility unless you consider Jesus to be a liar.
Jesus Christ = God
You can go back in time 1999 billion, trillion years and there stepping out from eternity beyond would be Jesus Christ to greet you .

 

[SolaScriptura]

Because even the scribes & pharisees were right some of the time .
As in this case.
Right in principle, but wrong in application.
They ignorantly gave testimony to who Jesus actually is.
It is true that only God can forgive sin .
That's a yes or a no by the way ?
Which leaves only one possibility unless you consider Jesus to be a liar.
Jesus Christ = God
You can go back in time 1999 billion, trillion years and there stepping out from eternity beyond would be Jesus Christ to greet you .

Jesus Christ is ALMIGHTY GOD!

 

[Runningman]

Even though they considered Him a liar & blasphemer and desired to kill Him the religious authorities who were experts in the subject of sin , knew with confidence that there was only force in the universe that had power to take away sin, and sanctify life.

Mar 2:7
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

According to Matthew 9, it was God who had given authority to Jesus (a man) to forgive sins.

Matt 9
6But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...” Then He said to the paralytic, “Get up, pick up your mat, and go home.” 7And the man got up and went home.

8When the crowds saw this, they were filled with awe and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.

 

[Runningman]

You cannot admit what the Bible teaches about Jesus Christ, because you can't "see" this Great Truth about Him, that He IS YHWH, THE Great God Almighty!

Not according to Psalm 110:1.

 

[Runningman]

wrong!

Yet again the Bible is against what you believe!

Jesus Christ The Only Wise God

Jesus Christ The Only Wise God It is argued by some, that verses in the Bible, like John 17:3, where the Father is called, “The only True God”; and Romans 16:27, where the Father is called, “God only wise”; that Jesus Christ is not “God” (ὁ θεὸς), because in these passages, the Father is...

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Another strawman. You're talking about things I haven't even brought up.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus Christ forgave sins!!!

WHY did you not quote the passage in Mark?

8 At once, Jesus knew inwardly what they were thinking. He asked them, “Why do you have these thoughts? 9 Is it easier to say to this paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, pick up your cot, and walk’? 10 I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” Then he said to the paralyzed man, 11 “I’m telling you to get up, pick up your cot, and go home!”

VERY CLEAR!

BTW, are you a Jehovah's Witness?

Read Matt 9:6-8 where it was God who had given authority to Jesus to forgive sins. That settles it. Got any other talking points?

 

[Randy]

Do you believe there was a time when Jesus did not exist ?

Yes, He has a beginning at some point in history before the world began. God's "Firstborn"

 

[Consecrated Life]

According to Matthew 9, it was God who had given authority to Jesus (a man) to forgive sins.

Matt 9
6But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...” Then He said to the paralytic, “Get up, pick up your mat, and go home.” 7And the man got up and went home.

Jesus never says that it was "given" to him.
Jesus says He HAS the power to forgive sins.
Which is exactly what I said.
He has the power to forgive sins.
Something only God can do.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Yes, He has a beginning at some point in history before the world began. God's "Firstborn"

So in what form was He "Firstborn" before the world began ?
We no it wasn't flesh.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Creates an idolatry problem. Men can't be worshipped as God.

Then you're speaking under the influence of the Antichrist, because God must be manifested in the form of a man. "By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." - 1 Jn. 4:2-3

Also, never did Jesus command anybody to "worship" him, we're to worship the Father THROUGH him, for he's the only way.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus never says that it was "given" to him.
Jesus says He HAS the power to forgive sins.
Which is exactly what I said.
He has the power to forgive sins.
Something only God can do.

Matt 9:6-9 says Jesus has the authority to forgive sins and that God gave men (Jesus) this authority. This is just proof that Jesus isn't God. To further push the point forward, the authority to forgive sins was also delegated to the disciples in John 20:23.

 

[Runningman]

Then you're speaking under the influence of the Antichrist, because God must be manifested in the form of a man. "By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." - 1 Jn. 4:2-3

Also, never did Jesus command anybody to "worship" him, we're to worship the Father THROUGH him, for he's the only way.

That says Jesus Christ came in the flesh, something I fully believe. You're saying God came in the flesh which is not what 1 John 4:2-3 says. To the contrary, you're under the antichrist spirit.

Jesus said he is the Christ, a man of flesh. That's in agreement with 1 John 4:2-3. Jesus never said "I am God in the flesh" and the Bible doesn't say it anywhere either. By your own logic, you would have Jesus be antichrist too. There's the proof that what you're saying is nonsense.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Matt 9:6-9 says Jesus has the authority to forgive sins and that God gave men (Jesus) this authority. This is just proof that Jesus isn't God. To further push the point forward, the authority to forgive sins was also delegated to the disciples in John 20:23.

Matthew 9:6 Jesus does not say His power to forgive sins was given to Him.
If you think this sentence says that you need to brush up on your comprehension of the English language.
His point is to make clear what He has Power to do.
Mat 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins


Your profound lack of understanding of John 20:23 is evidenced in the fact that if you believe it gives the disciples the power to forgive sins, then you must likewise believe it gives the disciples power to deny forgiveness of sins.
It obviously has not occurred to you that Jesus Himself never denied forgiveness of sin to anyone that asked Him.
Why in the world would he then expect the disciples to be in the business of denying forgiveness of sin to someone?

John 20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.