Unique, Not Only-Begotten

[GodsGrace]

God wants to create...He is a creator.
He creates through Jesus

not anywhere in the entire Bible

Then could you explain the following:

Hebrews 1:1-2
1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.


Colossians 1:16
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.


John 1:2-3
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

 

[Free]

God wants to create...He is a creator.
He creates through Jesus

not anywhere in the entire Bible

Joh 1:3 All things were made through [di’] him [genitive], and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from [ex] whom [genitive] are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through [di’] whom [genitive] are all things and through [di’] whom [genitive] we exist.

Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through [di’] him [genitive] and for him.

Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through [di’] whom [genitive] also he created the world.

(All ESV.)

Each verse shows that God created through Jesus, that Jesus was the agency or means by which the creating was done. Interestingly, I don't think there is a single verse which explicitly states that the Son is the one from which all things are "from out of" or "have their origin" (ex), as 1 Cor 8:6 says of the Father.

 

[Runningman]

Then could you explain the following:

Hebrews 1:1-2
1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

"The world" in the above isn't actually the world. The word for the physical world is kosmos.

The word for "the world" in Hebrews 1:2 is aión and it means an age or cycle of time.

In these last days, some 2,000 years ago, God made and age through the Son. It refers to the church age. Literal versions of the Bible do translate this verse as "Through whom He (God) made the ages."

Colossians 1:16
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

More context is needed here, it all happened at the cross. It isn't literally "all things" in the physical universe. It once again refers to the context of the church.

Colossians 1
20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

John 1:2-3
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

In this context, it is about the creation of the physical world, but it isn't about Jesus being the one through whom the world was created. There are elements that closely parallels Genesis 1 where God spoke "words" in the beginning and created the universe. No mention of a person called the "word" or Son doing any creating.

John 1
9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

The one who was in the world, who made the world, is God the Father. The one who was sent from above is Jesus. Therefore Jesus wasn't in the world or else he didn't ascend from above.

The correct way to understand this passage is that God is the True Light who gives light to every man coming into the world. When Jesus was born is when he came from above when God's word became flesh. Jesus was created.

 

[GodsGrace]

"The world" in the above isn't actually the world. The word for the physical world is kosmos.

The word for "the world" in Hebrews 1:2 is aión and it means an age or cycle of time.

In these last days, some 2,000 years ago, God made and age through the Son. It refers to the church age. Literal versions of the Bible do translate this verse as "Through whom He (God) made the ages."

More context is needed here, it all happened at the cross. It isn't literally "all things" in the physical universe. It once again refers to the context of the church.

Colossians 1
20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.



In this context, it is about the creation of the physical world, but it isn't about Jesus being the one through whom the world was created. There are elements that closely parallels Genesis 1 where God spoke "words" in the beginning and created the universe. No mention of a person called the "word" or Son doing any creating.

John 1
9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

The one who was in the world, who made the world, is God the Father. The one who was sent from above is Jesus. Therefore Jesus wasn't in the world or else he didn't ascend from above.

The correct way to understand this passage is that God is the True Light who gives light to every man coming into the world. When Jesus was born is when he came from above when God's word became flesh. Jesus was created.

Runningman, You're so far off the field I don't even know how to answer you.
It would be interesting to know where you learn this stuff.
I've never heard of it before.
And, to say the least, I can't agree with anything of what you've written above.

You say the one who was IN THE WORLD in John 1 was the Father.

How could God Father, a Spirit, come into our world?
The reason Jesus was born was so that He could come into the world.

God is OUTSIDE the world He created.
He's outside of space and time.
God CANNOT be a part of His creation.

Think on this.

 

[Free]

Son of God applies to others and it doesn't mean they are the presence of God.


My point is that Jesus is not the only legitimate son of God. Offspring are legitimate children.

Jesus is the only Son in a very specific, unique way.

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known. (ESV)

Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the one and only, God, the one who is in the bosom of the Father—that one has made him known. (LEB)

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (ESV)

There is only one and ever will only be one "begotten" or "unique" Son. And, yes, 'Several of the principal manuscripts and a great mass of ancient evidence support the reading μονογενὴς Θεὸς, “God only begotten.” (M. R. Vincent).'

Jesus and all of his disciples are Unitarians. I don't need to recruit anyone since they are doing all of the work.

And, yet, there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that clearly or explicitly states that God is unitarian. The disciples certainly did not hold to a unitarian view of God after they met and came to know Jesus, "God with us."

Jesus was not in the world though.

Jesus "was not in the world"? He wasn't born from Mary and didn't live a life here on earth? He didn't die and rise again?

He was sent from God, a heaven sent.

Exactly. That is what John 1:1-14 is about, among other passages.

I tried to help you, but you can't accept it. The world was created by God. John 1:9,10 prove this. It wasn't Jesus.

Sorry, but this actually doesn't support your argument, at all. This John 1:9-10 are clearly speaking of Jesus, saying that "the world was made through him," which is just a repeat of 1:3. To say that because it says "the world was made through him" that it is therefore speaking of the Father, is to fallaciously beg the question by ignoring the very clear context:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him.
Joh 1:8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.
Joh 1:9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
Joh 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.
Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”)
Joh 1:16 For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known. (ESV)

Notice that the first five verses are about who the Word is. Verse 6 jumps to John the Baptist, who is to prepare the way of the Lord, the Messiah. Verse 9 then goes back to the Word, but here speaking of the incarnate Word, Jesus. And on until verse 15, where again, John the Baptist is mentioned as the forerunner of Jesus, but then it goes back to Jesus for verses 16-18.

There is simply no way one can read verses 9 and 10 and honestly and say that they aren't speaking about Jesus. It's so obvious that I fear I may have misunderstood what you said.

 

[Free]

In this context, it is about the creation of the physical world, but it isn't about Jesus being the one through whom the world was created.

It absolutely is about Jesus being the agency or means through which everything was created. That is what the Greek grammar shows (see my post #702).

There are elements that closely parallels Genesis 1 where God spoke "words" in the beginning and created the universe. No mention of a person called the "word" or Son doing any creating.

Which doesn't matter. The general use of "God" can include the Son; he need not be mentioned separately.

John 1
9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

The one who was in the world, who made the world, is God the Father. The one who was sent from above is Jesus. Therefore Jesus wasn't in the world or else he didn't ascend from above.

The correct way to understand this passage is that God is the True Light who gives light to every man coming into the world. When Jesus was born is when he came from above when God's word became flesh. Jesus was created.

Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

Joh 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Joh 12:35 So Jesus said to them, “The light is among you for a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going.
Joh 12:36 While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light.” When Jesus had said these things, he departed and hid himself from them.
...
Joh 12:46 I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

Quite clearly, then, Jesus disagrees with your understanding. More than that:

Joh 8:23 And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (NASB)
...
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (NASB)

Joh 13:3 Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God,

Joh 16:28 I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”

Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

Php 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

First, notice Jesus's claims of preexistence in John 8:24, 58; 16:28; 17:5--all of which agree with what John already wrote in 1:1-2. Second, Phil 2:5-8 also agrees, by clearly showing that Jesus had to have existed prior to "being born in the likeness of men," otherwise he could not have first emptied himself.

As I've told you before, that Jesus is God in human flesh, never having not existed, is one continuous, consistent, coherent message throughout the NT.

(All ESV, unless otherwise noted.)

 

[Free]

It most certainly is. It should be "And the god it was." The to be verb for Greek has 3 persons for singular and plural.
At the beginning it was. A worder and a worder it was with a God, and the God it was. It feels something like this in Greek. Everything about the Greek article is abused.

"In [the] beginning was the Word and the Word was with [the] God and God was the Word."

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1.htm

You are, for some unknown, completely unwarranted reason, making the definite case indefinite, and the indefinite case definite.

You don't know what is deficient. I have seen only incompetence when it comes to noun phrases in all basic grammar books. The worder is YHWH, and it is his name. You just don't want to reject your idolatry.

I really mean no offense, but your basic understanding of the Greek is seriously deficient here. You really need to go and study some more or provide at least one source which backs up your claim. And, again, I can provide numerous sources--every source I find agrees with me, which is why every legitimate translation does as well.

I am seriously trying to help you get on the right track here. The definite article always means just that--definite. Otherwise it wouldn't be called the definite article. If I was a betting man, I would bet everything I own that the definite article in koine Greek does not ever refer to the indefinite case. It makes no sense to believe otherwise.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with [the] God, and the Word was God. (ESV)

That is the correct rendering of that verse. You may not like the implications of it, and that is why you are ignoring basic Greek grammar to completely change what is stated, but that is what it states.

 

[Free]

I am not a follower of Thomas. He certainly didn't repeat something Jesus ever said. Jesus never said "I am Lord and God." Therefore it doesn't follow that Thomas would have been privy to some secret information that apparently no one else ever said.

And, yet, Jesus never rebuked Thomas for what he said; he fully accepted it, which would be blasphemous if he wasn't actually God. However, Thomas said it for good reason:

Mat 8:26 And he said to them, “Why are you afraid, O you of little faith?” Then he rose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm.
Mat 8:27 And the men marveled, saying, “What sort of man is this, that even winds and sea obey him?” (cf. Psalm 65:7; 89:9; etc.)

Mar 6:48 And he saw that they were making headway painfully, for the wind was against them. And about the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea. He meant to pass by them,
Mar 6:49 but when they saw him walking on the sea they thought it was a ghost, and cried out,
Mar 6:50 for they all saw him and were terrified. But immediately he spoke to them and said, “Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid.”
Mar 6:51 And he got into the boat with them, and the wind ceased. And they were utterly astounded,

Joh 8:23 And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
...
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (NASB)

Joh 13:3 Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God,

Joh 16:28 I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”

Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

Php 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

I am a follower of Jesus. When Jesus said "My God" he wasn't speaking of himself. He was speaking of the Father. I recommend you follow him too.

Matthew 27
46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,h lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

I do and so did Thomas. It's a matter of not divorcing verses from their context, whether the immediate context or the greater context of the rest of Scripture.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Son of God applies to others and it doesn't mean they are the presence of God.

My point is that Jesus is not the only legitimate son of God. Offspring are legitimate children.

Then read the OP and get educated about why Jesus is unique. I'm here for discussion, not to one up the OP or seek a fight.

 

[7thMoon]

You are, for some unknown, completely unwarranted reason, making the definite case indefinite, and the indefinite case definite.

Always.

I really mean no offense, but your basic understanding of the Greek is seriously deficient here.

That is merely your opinion.

 

[7thMoon]

And, yet, Jesus never rebuked Thomas for what he said

Because Thomas didn't recognize him as God. Therefore there was not need to punish him for idolatry.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Because Thomas didn't recognize him as God. Therefore there was not need to punish him for idolatry.

He wouldn't have exclaimed "My lord and my God" if he hadn't recognized Jesus as God. This might be a shocker to you, that Jewish people at that time didn't casually and mindlessly blurted out OMG like modern people do, it was forbidden in the third commandment to take the Lord's name in vain, that's their unforgivable sin for which God will hold them accountable to the third and fourth generations, that's why YHWH was replaced with Hashem (the name) or shamayim (heaven), even in English the o in God and Lord is replaced with a dash, so you've got G-d and L-rd.

 

[SolaScriptura]

Then could you explain the following:

Hebrews 1:1-2
1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.


Colossians 1:16
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.


John 1:2-3
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

WITH Whom, not THROUGH.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, JOINTLY Created the entire Universe!

 

[SolaScriptura]

Joh 1:3 All things were made through [di’] him [genitive], and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from [ex] whom [genitive] are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through [di’] whom [genitive] are all things and through [di’] whom [genitive] we exist.

Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through [di’] him [genitive] and for him.

Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through [di’] whom [genitive] also he created the world.

(All ESV.)

Each verse shows that God created through Jesus, that Jesus was the agency or means by which the creating was done. Interestingly, I don't think there is a single verse which explicitly states that the Son is the one from which all things are "from out of" or "have their origin" (ex), as 1 Cor 8:6 says of the Father.

I suggest that you study the uses of the Greek preposition, διά, because Bible translations like the ESV are very much wrong here.

Genesis 1:1 is clear, "in the beginning GOD Created the heavens and the earth". That is GOD the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, TOGETHER, as Elohim is masculine plural, meaning more than One Person as is clear from Genesis 1:26, "Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness"

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, You're so far off the field I don't even know how to answer you.
It would be interesting to know where you learn this stuff.
I've never heard of it before.
And, to say the least, I can't agree with anything of what you've written above.

That's too bad, but thank you for your honesty.

You say the one who was IN THE WORLD in John 1 was the Father.

How could God Father, a Spirit, come into our world?

Omnipresence.

The reason Jesus was born was so that He could come into the world.

And doesn't John 1:9 says the True Light gives light to men coming into the world?

God is OUTSIDE the world He created.
He's outside of space and time.
God CANNOT be a part of His creation.

The entire Old Testament testifies of God the Father being in the world and interacting with mankind.

 

[Runningman]

And, yet, Jesus never rebuked Thomas for what he said; he fully accepted it, which would be blasphemous if he wasn't actually God. However, Thomas said it for good reason:

Mat 8:26 And he said to them, “Why are you afraid, O you of little faith?” Then he rose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm.
Mat 8:27 And the men marveled, saying, “What sort of man is this, that even winds and sea obey him?” (cf. Psalm 65:7; 89:9; etc.)

Mar 6:48 And he saw that they were making headway painfully, for the wind was against them. And about the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea. He meant to pass by them,
Mar 6:49 but when they saw him walking on the sea they thought it was a ghost, and cried out,
Mar 6:50 for they all saw him and were terrified. But immediately he spoke to them and said, “Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid.”
Mar 6:51 And he got into the boat with them, and the wind ceased. And they were utterly astounded,

Joh 8:23 And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
...
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (NASB)

Joh 13:3 Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God,

Joh 16:28 I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”

Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

Php 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.


I do and so did Thomas. It's a matter of not divorcing verses from their context, whether the immediate context or the greater context of the rest of Scripture.

Jesus said Thomas isn't blessed for what he said. Doubting Thomas had the wrong attitude, requiring physical proof of the resurrection of Jesus. It has nothing to do with Jesus being God. God is the one who resurrected Jesus. Do you believe that in your heart? Romans 10:9

 

[Runningman]

Then read the OP and get educated about why Jesus is unique. I'm here for discussion, not to one up the OP or seek a fight.

OP of this thread seems to want to sweep the begotten Son of God under the rug and replace him with the unique Son. It's clear why. It's because Jesus being a begotten Son as the whole of scripture testifies makes it impossible for him to be God. God is not a begotten Son. God is the Father.

 

[SolaScriptura]

Jesus said Thomas isn't blessed for what he said. Doubting Thomas had the wrong attitude, requiring physical proof of the resurrection of Jesus. It has nothing to do with Jesus being God. God is the one who resurrected Jesus. Do you believe that in your heart? Romans 10:9

man, your "theology" is SO FAR off from what the Bible teaches!

 

[Runningman]

It absolutely is about Jesus being the agency or means through which everything was created. That is what the Greek grammar shows (see my post #702).


Which doesn't matter. The general use of "God" can include the Son; he need not be mentioned separately.


Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

Joh 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Joh 12:35 So Jesus said to them, “The light is among you for a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going.
Joh 12:36 While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light.” When Jesus had said these things, he departed and hid himself from them.
...
Joh 12:46 I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

Quite clearly, then, Jesus disagrees with your understanding. More than that:

Joh 8:23 And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (NASB)
...
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (NASB)

Joh 13:3 Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God,

Joh 16:28 I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”

Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

Php 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

First, notice Jesus's claims of preexistence in John 8:24, 58; 16:28; 17:5--all of which agree with what John already wrote in 1:1-2. Second, Phil 2:5-8 also agrees, by clearly showing that Jesus had to have existed prior to "being born in the likeness of men," otherwise he could not have first emptied himself.

As I've told you before, that Jesus is God in human flesh, never having not existed, is one continuous, consistent, coherent message throughout the NT.

(All ESV, unless otherwise noted.)

John 1:1-14 isn't going anywhere. Jesus was created out of the logos of God who was in the world and Jesus wasn't. Jesus being in the world before descending from heaven isn't a biblical doctrine.

 

[SolaScriptura]

OP of this thread seems to want to sweep the begotten Son of God under the rug and replace him with the unique Son. It's clear why. It's because Jesus being a begotten Son as the whole of scripture testifies makes it impossible for him to be God. God is not a begotten Son. God is the Father.

How much Greek do you know? I have shown BEYOND any doubt to the HONEST mind, that μονογενής, does not, and cannot mean "ONLY-BEGOTTEN"!

But, like a few others on here, you have NO interest what this actually means, but bang on about your nonsense THEORIES!!!