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Unique, Not Only-Begotten

RM, as I've stated, you have a problem with the above because you don't believe in the Trinity.
I don't have a problem. The Trinity isn't in the Bible.

Are the JWs Christian?
They also do not believe in the Trinity.
According to you, only those who believe Jesus is God are Christians. That's not in the Bible.

John 1:4
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The context says the word is God and that Jesus was created.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Doesn't say Jesus is God.

John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”
Previously explained. Being one with God doesn't make someone God.
Hebrews 1:10
“YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,
AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Hebrews 1:10 begins with "and" in most versions. Since it begins with "and" then it is joined to Hebrews 1:9. The Lord refers to the previously mentioned God which would be the Father.

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 7:15 in context says Immanuel needs times to know good and reject evil. That's undeniably not a description of God. That's a description of a man.

Immanuel means GOD WITH US.
The definition of the name Immanuel is God is with us. It doesn't mean "Jesus is God."
Are you going to even read the above?
Already read it all before.
How do you explain all those verses?
I explained them.

Jesus never said he is God, contrary to what you're saying. How do you account for that?

Why can Jesus be tempted and God can't be tempted?

Why did Jesus not say or do anything that clearly indicates he is God?

Why do you have no examples of Jesus pre-existing or doing something only God can do?

Do you truly believe the Father is the only true God as scripture plainly says?
 
I think we often forget to mention that there was a reason Jesus didn't blatantly say He was God.
The reason is because He would have been killed as soon as He began His ministry and, of course, Jesus wanted to fulfill His mission on earth. It was not only to save mankind through His sacrifice, but He also had many things to teach the Apostles so that they could pass on the teachings of the Kingdom here on earth.

When Jesus went into Jerusalem the year He was crucified, the 3rd year of His ministry (really the 4th), He was more willing to admit who He was.

And during His "trial" He admitted to being God.
This is why He was crucified.
Exactly. As the God-man, Jesus still promoted monotheism, as he should have, by continually pointing to the Father as the true God. Of course, that in no way means that he wasn't also God. It would have been much too confusing for people during Jesus's ministry to understand that he was truly God and yet God the Father was in heaven. It would likely have looked like polytheism.

Some did clue in, although imperfectly, and Thomas certainly had clued in after Jesus's resurrection. But this is one of the reasons why much of the discussion about the deity of Christ came later--they were seriously wrestling with the revelation that Jesus was God in the flesh and how that fit within monotheism. It was also because the early church was being persecuted and didn't have time to sit down for long, deep, complicated theological discussions. But, even when they had time, it still took quite some time to flesh things out. It's exceedingly complex, as you know.

I also believe there is a reason why John's gospel, which came last (along with his other books), speaks the most clearly about the deity of Jesus. Apart from the inspiration of his gospel, he must have been wrestling with the deity of Jesus for decades before he could start writing about it with clarity and understanding.
 
Exactly. As the God-man, Jesus still promoted monotheism, as he should have, by continually pointing to the Father as the true God. Of course, that in no way means that he wasn't also God. It would have been much too confusing for people during Jesus's ministry to understand that he was truly God and yet God the Father was in heaven. It would likely have looked like polytheism.

Some did clue in, although imperfectly, and Thomas certainly had clued in after Jesus's resurrection. But this is one of the reasons why much of the discussion about the deity of Christ came later--they were seriously wrestling with the revelation that Jesus was God in the flesh and how that fit within monotheism. It was also because the early church was being persecuted and didn't have time to sit down for long, deep, complicated theological discussions. But, even when they had time, it still took quite some time to flesh things out. It's exceedingly complex, as you know.

I also believe there is a reason why John's gospel, which came last (along with his other books), speaks the most clearly about the deity of Jesus. Apart from the inspiration of his gospel, he must have been wrestling with the deity of Jesus for decades before he could start writing about it with clarity and understanding.
Great post Free!
It pretty much explains everything regarding the early church and how it wrestled to understand this Jesus.
I think John may have written about Jesus late in his life because Arianism had become so wide-spread and he wanted to speak out against it.
We also forget that things took a long time back then. Information didn't get around as quickly as today. No Zoom back then.
I've always thought that it's a miracle that Christianity was able to survive.
Acts 5:33-39 Acts 5:38-39
33But when they heard this, they were cut to the quick and intended to kill them.
34But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the Law, respected by all the people, stood up in the Council and gave orders to put the men outside for a short time.
35And he said to them, “Men of Israel, take care what you propose to do with these men.
36“For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him. But he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing.
37“After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census and drew away some people after him; he too perished, and all those who followed him were scattered.
38“So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown;
39but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God.”
 
Your conclusion doesn't follow; it's a false dichotomy. It could very well be that people who have seen and believed are still blessed, and that those who believe without seeing are, in some way, more blessed. Remember, all the disciples didn't believe until they saw the evidence, but nowhere does it say they weren't blessed. Because they weren't and that is not what Jesus is saying to Thomas.
Jesus explicitly stated who is blessed. Thomas doesn't fit that description. Therefore Jesus wasn't talking about Thomas being blessed. Jesus' and my conclusion is precise.

No, nowhere does Jesus say that.
That's your opninion. I'll stick with what the Bible says.

It does. Even the Jews understood this:

Joh 5:16 And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”
Joh 5:18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. (ESV)
Jesus denied being God in the next passage you provided. They obviously didn't understand him.

Joh 10:36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one.”
Joh 10:31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?”
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken—
Joh 10:36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;
Joh 10:38 but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.” (ESV)
Jesus denied being God in John 10:36 and directly denied it in Mark 10.

18“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.
The Jews understood the claim of being the Son of God--it was to make "himself equal with God," which is essentially to "make [him]self God." It's both in the claim to be the Son of God and in the fact that he is doing the same works the Father does, particularly on the Sabbath.
They did not understand that since Jesus denied it.

I didn't say they appear anywhere in the Bible; and they don't need to
Yes they need to appear in the Bible. Don't try to pass it off as scripture then; it's not.
You said the disciples all believed in a Unitarian God, so perhaps you can show me where "unitarian" appears in the Bible. Do you see the problem with that reasoning?
Jesus' followers were Jews. They know that the only God is YHWH. No one taught in the Bible there is a triune God.


There are some suggested theophanies in the OT where the Son may have manifested but, like I said, it isn't relevant to this discussion.
Just a suggestion, not scripture.

It's exactly what this is about. John clearly says that the true light was coming into the world, and Jesus claims more than once to be that light. He is the light, which spreads to those who trust in and follow him. You can't just pull things out of context.
Again, Jesus told his disciples they are also the light of the world. If Jesus and the disciples are the light of the world then they aren't the true light.

Check out Revelation 22:

Below, the Lamb and God are not the same person. God is the light, the Lamb isn't.

3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him. 4They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp or of the sun. For the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever.


You're fallaciously begging the question and ignoring context. Jesus claimed to be the light. That simply cannot be denied. Did Jesus claim to be the truth?
You're conflating Jesus with God though. The light Jesus received was from God as scripture clearly states.

John 1:9 says the True Light gives light to men and John 1:30 says Jesus is a man. The context is all right there.
Of course it is a reference to YHWH. That is the whole point! How can you so clearly miss the obvious? Paul applies a verse about YHWH to Jesus, showing that to confess Jesus is Lord was to call on the name of YHWH.
Great then you know that Psalm 110:1 plainly shows Jesus isn't YHWH.

Which is no different than lambs and bulls that had to be without blemish. While they prefigure Christ and his sacrifice, being creatures they were insufficient. Jesus cannot be a mere creature and be sufficient.
Your words against the Bible at this point.

Jesus was both man and God.
Not according to scripture.

It isn't. The word "it" is added in by translators. Here is a more accurate translation:
The word of Life is a that which, an it.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.
1Jn 1:2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— (NASB)
An it manifested a man.

It is. You have left much unaddressed. Would you like me to list the posts where you have left things unaddressed? I've done it more than once before to show others the same when they didn't believe me.
If you would like.

I don't understand what you're saying here.
I'm saying that the Bible pre-dates your theology about Jesus being God. You're trying to use the Bible to prove something that isn't even stated. What you believe came later on as different sects began creating their own doctrines. Ever wonder why so many of the writings from people who misunderstood Jesus to be God never made it into the Bible? Why the Bible never says so explicitly what they said? It's because when the Bible was being canonized those writings were rejected as rank heresy.
 
I also believe there is a reason why John's gospel, which came last (along with his other books), speaks the most clearly about the deity of Jesus. Apart from the inspiration of his gospel, he must have been wrestling with the deity of Jesus for decades before he could start writing about it with clarity and understanding.
Yeah, John was written for new Gentile followers who knew very little OT or didn't know any OT at all, it's the most freshman friendly book of the whole bible. There's this common misconception that Matthew is for Jews and Luke is for Gentiles, but actually, both were expanded from Mark, and both were for educated followers who were expected to have already known a lot about the OT, the intertestamental period history and some Jewish culture.
 
That's your opninion. I'll stick with what the Bible says.
Just a suggestion, not scripture.
Yes they need to appear in the Bible. Don't try to pass it off as scripture then; it's not.
You know, when it comes down to Jesus's identity, He didn't ask the disciples what the OT Scripture says he is, he asked who do YOU say that I am, Matt. 16:15. In other words, your opinion and your suggestion.
 
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Jesus explicitly stated who is blessed. Thomas doesn't fit that description. Therefore Jesus wasn't talking about Thomas being blessed. Jesus' and my conclusion is precise.
No, your conclusion is false because your argument is fallacious. Jesus’s statement that those who would not see and believe would be blessed in no way precludes those who did see and believe, which is all the disciples, from being blessed.

That's your opninion. I'll stick with what the Bible says.
But you’re not, that’s the problem.

Jesus denied being God in the next passage you provided. They obviously didn't understand him.

Joh 10:36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?

Jesus denied being God in John 10:36
How, exactly, is that a denial of being God? Claiming that it is without showing how is just opinion.

and directly denied it in Mark 10.

18“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.

They did not understand that since Jesus denied it.
How, exactly, is that a denial of being God?

Yes they need to appear in the Bible. Don't try to pass it off as scripture then; it's not.
No, they don’t. I showed how your argument is not sound.

Jesus' followers were Jews. They know that the only God is YHWH. No one taught in the Bible there is a triune God.
First, as I've pointed out more than once, this is fallaciously begging the question. Second, as I stated before, there is not one verse in the entire Bible that explicitly or directly states that God is only one person, that is, unitarian. That leaves the door wide open for a trinitarian view of God, the foundations of which are throughout the Bible.

Just a suggestion, not scripture.
Maybe, maybe not. That's why I said it isn't relevant to this discussion.

Again, Jesus told his disciples they are also the light of the world. If Jesus and the disciples are the light of the world then they aren't the true light.
Because they are his followers. The statement about

Check out Revelation 22:

Below, the Lamb and God are not the same person. God is the light, the Lamb isn't.

3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him. 4They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp or of the sun. For the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever.
So, you're essentially calling Jesus a liar.

Joh 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Joh 12:46 I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

Do you think lamps give light?

Rev 21:23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

(All ESV.)

You're conflating Jesus with God though.
No, I am not. I am showing and have been showing that Jesus is truly God, just as he is truly man. It's unfortunate that you want to continue to ignore all the passages that prove difficult for your position. But, that's par for the course with anti-Trinitarians and deniers of the deity of Jesus.

The light Jesus received was from God as scripture clearly states.

John 1:9 says the True Light gives light to men and John 1:30 says Jesus is a man. The context is all right there.
I know the context; I gave the context, which you ignored.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him.
Joh 1:8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.
Joh 1:9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
Joh 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.
Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) (ESV)

All of those "he," "him," and "his" pronouns in verses 2-4, 10-12, and 15, are references to the Son. The only time the Father comes in is verse 14 (and then v. 18). The Messiah, the Son, the preincarnate Word, is the true light. Notice that John "came as a witness, to bear witness about the light," which is then restated again as the Son in verse 15.

John 1:30 shows the humanity of Jesus, which no Christian, no Trinitarian denies.

Great then you know that Psalm 110:1 plainly shows Jesus isn't YHWH.
How so, exactly? You make a lot of claims but don't show that you have any understanding of what is said, and so provide no evidence.

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
Heb 1:10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;
Heb 1:11 they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment,
Heb 1:12 like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.”
Heb 1:13 And to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”? (ESV)

First, the Father applies Psalm 110:1 to the Son. Second, the Father then applies Psalm 102:25-27 to the Son, but that is a passage about YHWH. More than that, it is a passage about YHWH creating. So, that supports everything I have been saying about John 1:1-18, particularly verses 1-3.

Of course, it's also worth pointing out what the writer of Hebrews has already stated:

Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. (ESV)

So, the quote in verses 10-13 support verse 2, which support John 1:1-3, 1 Cor 8:6, and Col 1:16-17, among others.

Your words against the Bible at this point.
Show how. I'm getting tired of your claims that have no support, while ignoring my claims for which I have provided ample support.

Not according to scripture.
On the contrary, it is the only correct understanding of Scripture. It would help if you would address all the passages I've posted instead of simply dismissing them.
 
Where? Certainly not here:

Joh 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” (ESV)
It is right there! Thomas had to see it to believe it.
 
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Which I don't do, but you do. Trusting the scholars is leaning thy own understanding.
I trust God who trusted those scholars with the translation work of his holy word. They are not just scholars, but apostles, which means "sent ones". They brought the word of God to me which I would otherwise have no access to. If I were you, I'd have less attitude and more gratitude.
 
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Whatever you say, boss. It seems to me that the OP understands monogenēs much better than you do.
OP of this thread intends to debunk the sonship of Jesus. Jesus being the begotten Son of God is a pillar of the Christain faith. If you apply the word unique into any of the contexts that say Jesus is a begotten son then it doesn't make sense.

1 John 2
23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.
 
OP of this thread intends to debunk the sonship of Jesus. If you apply the word unique into any of the contexts that say Jesus is a begotten son then it doesn't make sense.

1 John 2
23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.
No OP doesn't, you do.
 
You know, when it comes down to Jesus's identity, He didn't ask the disciples what the OT Scripture says he is, he asked who do YOU say that I am, Matt. 16:15. In other words, your opinion and your suggestion.
You quote that as if Matt 16:15,16 is something I wouldn't agree with which is curious to me. I quote it often. Notice that what Peter said is the answered revealed by the Father in heaven and Peter didn't say "my Lord and my God" like Thomas did. That means Thomas didn't have the answer from heaven.
 
No OP doesn't, you do.
Jesus is the begotten Son of God. The OP denies this, explicitly and exhaustively. Sadly, you seem to agree with the OP.

Do you deny God's words according to Psalm 2:7?

Psalm 2:7​

I will tell of the decree: The Lord said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you​

 
You quote that as if Matt 16:15,16 is something I wouldn't agree with which is curious to me. I quote it often. Notice that what Peter said is the answered revealed by the Father in heaven and Peter didn't say "my Lord and my God" like Thomas did. That means Thomas didn't have the answer from heaven.
Yes, that's Peter's "opinion" and "suggestion", he didn't come up with any scripture portion to corroborate, he didn't quote Ps. 2:7 in Matt. 16:16, so why do you quote his reply? Why do you take his "opinion" and "suggestion" seriously? And why Thomas didn't have answer from heaven, when the only one who came from heaven was revealed to him in the flesh?
Jesus is the begotten Son of God. The OP denies this, explicitly and exhaustively. Sadly, you seem to agree with the OP.

Do you deny God's words according to Psalm 2:7?
The OP gave a deep dive on the key word "monogenēs", what you're doing is making baseless assumptions.
 
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No, your conclusion is false because your argument is fallacious. Jesus’s statement that those who would not see and believe would be blessed in no way precludes those who did see and believe, which is all the disciples, from being blessed.
I'm right. Thomas not only was not blessed according to what Jesus said since he didn't meet the criteria for being blessed. Thomas said he would never believe unless he saw Jesus. Jesus said those who don't see, yet believe, are blessed. John 20:25,29

Futhermore, Jesus never said he is Thomas' God. What God revealed regarding who Jesus is is that he is the Son of God and the Messiah.

Peter was blessed his answer. Thomas was not blessed.

Matt 16
15“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.

How, exactly, is that a denial of being God? Claiming that it is without showing how is just opinion.


How, exactly, is that a denial of being God?
Contrary to being called good Jesus said only God is good. That's a denial. If Jesus is God, Jesus simply needed to say "I know I am good..." but he didn't affirm that in the slightest.
No, they don’t. I showed how your argument is not sound.
You did no such thing.

First, as I've pointed out more than once, this is fallaciously begging the question.
John 17:3, Ephesians 4:6, 1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 John 5:20

Isaiah 45
5I am the LORD, and there is no other;
there is no God but Me.
I will equip you for battle,
though you have not known Me,
So, you're essentially calling Jesus a liar.
Or you are.

Joh 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
Jesus called his disciples the light of the world too.

Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
Same applies to the disciples.

Joh 12:46 I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.
John 1
9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.

John 1
30This is He of whom I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’
Do you think lamps give light?

Rev 21:23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.
God gives it light. Revelation 21:23 calls the Lamb a lamp. Revelation 22:5 says they don't need a lamp.

5There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp or of the sun. For the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever.
No, I am not. I am showing and have been showing that Jesus is truly God, just as he is truly man. It's unfortunate that you want to continue to ignore all the passages that prove difficult for your position. But, that's par for the course with anti-Trinitarians and deniers of the deity of Jesus.
That's been proven false as far as I am concerned.

I know the context; I gave the context, which you ignored.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Quote it a million times if you wish. I have already proven beyond a doubt that Jesus isn't the True Light who was in the world. The True Light gives light to men, Jesus is a man.
All of those "he," "him," and "his" pronouns in verses 2-4, 10-12, and 15, are references to the Son. The only time the Father comes in is verse 14 (and then v. 18). The Messiah, the Son, the preincarnate Word, is the true light. Notice that John "came as a witness, to bear witness about the light," which is then restated again as the Son in verse 15.
That's demonstrably false. Do you have an example of Jesus saying or doing anything pre-incarnate? You need this. If you don't have this, you're simply making things up.

John 1:30 shows the humanity of Jesus, which no Christian, no Trinitarian denies.
And no verse shows his deity.

How so, exactly? You make a lot of claims but don't show that you have any understanding of what is said, and so provide no evidence.
I show I understand the word. You show you don't understand it.

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8 is a quote from Psalm 45 about a human king with a queen. It has nothing to do with Jesus being God. Jesus didn't have queen.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
Because Jesus loved righteous and hated wickedness, he got annointed? That isn't God. God doesn't have peers to be anointed above because He's already above everyone.
Heb 1:10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;
Heb 1:11 they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment,
Heb 1:12 like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.”
Verse 10 begins with and which means it is joined with verse 10. The Lord refers to the preveiously mentioned God. The God who anointed Jesus is the Father.

Acts 4:23-31 clearly shows the Sovereign Lord and Creator is God and Jesus isn't. Jesus is His servant.
Heb 1:13 And to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”? (ESV)
Yes, the God YHWH who told Jesus to sit at His right hand. Psalm 110:1 proves Jesus isn't YHWH.

Psalm 110
1The LORD[YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”
First, the Father applies Psalm 110:1 to the Son. Second, the Father then applies Psalm 102:25-27 to the Son, but that is a passage about YHWH. More than that, it is a passage about YHWH creating. So, that supports everything I have been saying about John 1:1-18, particularly verses 1-3.
It supports nothing you have said. You have contradicted yourself repeatedly.
Of course, it's also worth pointing out what the writer of Hebrews has already stated:

Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. (ESV)
The Son is heir of all things and we are co-heirs with Jesus. It has nothing to do with deity.

Romans 8
17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.
So, the quote in verses 10-13 support verse 2, which support John 1:1-3, 1 Cor 8:6, and Col 1:16-17, among others.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Show how. I'm getting tired of your claims that have no support, while ignoring my claims for which I have provided ample support.
Sure, let's look at how Jesus is absolutely not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob or the I AM. This is not how Jesus is remembered .

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.

Exodus 3
14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.
 
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