Shilohsfoal
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daddd
MemberI never said that. A lot happened. It is very significant. Israel has to be there for many end time prophesies to be fulfilled
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Was 1948 when God restored Israel?
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Shilohsfoal
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According to your own words above.
Israel is there.
Israel is there.
daddd
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So you prefer an interpretation that has a woman sitting on seven little hills. OK. Others would interpret that the system which the woman represents presided over or existed also and rode all the seven kingdoms of the beast. In any case, so what? What has that got to do with whether ot not God has already restored Israel?
daddd
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Irrelevant to the question of whether they returned themselves or whether God brought them back and is with them, protecting them etc.
Shilohsfoal
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Irrelevant.
Thy op is
Was 1948 when God restored Israel?
According to you,this took place in 1948.If you don't like the answer you provided yourself,you should change the question.
Shilohsfoal
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The seven heads is what the woman flees from to the wilderness.She leaves that kingdom.
You said she flees from.satan.Shes not fleeing Satan.Shes fleeing Babylon.aka apostate Israel.
journeymanisnothing
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The kindoms of this world belong to God already. They always have,
Everything under heaven belongs to me. Jb.41:11
To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it. Deu.10:14
The earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it; Psa.24:1
So Rev.11:15, the saints don't mean, "the kingdoms of this world don't belong to God, but someday they will." What they're really saying is, "We didn't know the kingdoms of this world belong to God, but now we do."
Shilohsfoal
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Christ does not start his reign over his kingdom till the seventh trump.
Revelation 11:15
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”
daddd
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Say what? No. I do not think that God brought them back and is protecting and blessing them and being their ruler yet. I think that happens only after He returns and when all Israel (those left alive, the remnant) get saved.
The thread is about how some people believe this already happened and that it was God that brought them back already.
Shilohsfoal
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That's not what the op says
Shilohsfoal
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Who said Israel returns under God's protection?
According to scripture,Israel is dwelling in the land of Israel on the day of the Lord.It is written they worship the king they have chosen for themselves and his symbol of a star.
Amos 5
26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.
Why would you believe God would be protecting those who worship the beast?
daddd
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Here is the OP
"I have not seen support for the idea that God restored Israel in (anytime yet) That comes after they are saved as far as I can tell. Perhaps someone thinks they can support the idea that God already brought them to the land and is protecting them etc?"
daddd
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Every prophesy I have seen so far.
Does this mean that your vote or opinion on the topic is that you do not agree with the preachers who say God restored Israel in 1948?
Shilohsfoal
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If you insist there is no Israel in the middle east then that's your opinion.
Scripture shows Israel in the land of Israel before Christ comes and the majority worships their king and his symbol the star.If you claim Israel has not been restored then the following verse can not be fulfilled.
Amos 5
26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name
Do you agree that Israel is in the land of Israel and have chosen themself a king with his star on his flag?
daddd
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Not sure what your problem is. The issue is not whether Jews formed a nation or not. The issue is whether God Himself restored them, is protecting them etc. Some preachers I hear say that Israel is blossoming like a rose in fulfillment of prophesy and that God is supernaturally fighting with them etc etc.
I already mentioned a nation of Israel has to be here to be invaded and etc in the end time. That does not mean God is with them, or that He restored them.
Great, so what? The existence of a nation does not mean Jesus rules them or restored them.
Israel as a secular nation is in that land or some of it. As for the star thingie, any child in school can draw a star. If you mean that the secular nation uses a star as one of their symbols, that is meaningless.
As for the Damascus bit, looking at a commentary I see this
"Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus,.... The chief city of Syria; and which, as Aben Ezra says, lay to the east of the land of Israel, and was a very strong and fortified place: and Syria being in alliance with Israel, the Israelites might think of fleeing thither for refuge, in the time of their distress; but they are here told that they should be taken captive, and be carried to places far more remote than that: Stephen says, "beyond Babylon"; as they were, for they were carried into Media, to Halah and Habor by the river of Gozan, to the cities of the Medes; their way to which lay through Syria and Babylon;"
Amos 5 - Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org
Amos 5, Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, John Gill's Exposition on the Whole Bible provides Christians with deep insights through detailed analysis of Scripture and historical context.
www.studylight.org
If this commentary is correct, that is history.
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Shilohsfoal
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Now you believe the day of the Lord is ancient history.lolNot sure what your problem is. The issue is not whether Jews formed a nation or not. The issue is whether God Himself restored them, is protecting them etc. Some preachers I hear say that Israel is blossoming like a rose in fulfillment of prophesy and that God is supernaturally fighting with them etc etc.
I already mentioned a nation of Israel has to be here to be invaded and etc in the end time. That does not mean God is with them, or that He restored them.
Great, so what? The existence of a nation does not mean Jesus rules them or restored them.
Israel as a secular nation is in that land or some of it. As for the star thingie, any child in school can draw a star. If you mean that the secular nation uses a star as one of their symbols, that is meaningless.
As for the Damascus bit, looking at a commentary I see this
"Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus,.... The chief city of Syria; and which, as Aben Ezra says, lay to the east of the land of Israel, and was a very strong and fortified place: and Syria being in alliance with Israel, the Israelites might think of fleeing thither for refuge, in the time of their distress; but they are here told that they should be taken captive, and be carried to places far more remote than that: Stephen says, "beyond Babylon"; as they were, for they were carried into Media, to Halah and Habor by the river of Gozan, to the cities of the Medes; their way to which lay through Syria and Babylon;"
Amos 5 - Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org
Amos 5, Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, John Gill's Exposition on the Whole Bible provides Christians with deep insights through detailed analysis of Scripture and historical context.
If this commentary is correct, that is history.
The Day of the Lord
18 Woe to you who longfor the day of the Lord!
Why do you long for the day of the Lord?
That day will be darkness, not light.
19 It will be as though a man fled from a lion
only to meet a bear,
as though he entered his house
and rested his hand on the wall
only to have a snake bite him.
20 Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light—
pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?
21 “I hate, I despise your religious festivals;
your assemblies are a stench to me.
22 Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,
I will not accept them.
Though you bring choice fellowship offerings,
I will have no regard for them.
23 Away with the noise of your songs!
I will not listen to the music of your harps.
24 But let justice roll on like a river,
righteousness like a never-failing stream!
25 “Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.
journeymanisnothing
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I heard you. "Our Lord and his Christ" means the Father also, which is insensible for the reason I showed you.
I once ignored how all scripture agrees. I don't anymore.
Shilohsfoal
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If you want to believe Jesus is in the promised land reigning at the moment ,you can.Im not going to stop you.
But he hasn't returned yet.
Revelation 11:15
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.
journeymanisnothing
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Well, the "promised land" isn't just a patch in the Middle East. It's all of heaven and earth,
theirs is the kingdom of heaven.....they shall inherit the earth. Mt.5:3,5
He that overcometh shall inherit all things Rev.21:7
God gives inheritance to his children, because it belongs to him.
People mistake Jesus' patience with impotency.
Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him: But it shall not be well with the wicked... Ecc.8:12-13
You know my friend, if I had Jesus put to death and later saw him walking around, I'd apologize with pee running down my leg.
daddd
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Fair enough. If this applies to the day of the Lord, fine. So we have some folks from Israel who will flee to Damascus area. So...?