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Was 1948 when God restored Israel?

Shilohsfoal said:
Isaiah 14:2
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.
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When? When is that talking about? 1948? No. Israel as far as I have heard has not taken possession of nations and made them servants? You thought that was 1948!?
 
daddd said:
When? When is that talking about? 1948? No. Israel as far as I have heard has not taken possession of nations and made them servants? You thought that was 1948!?
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I said the nations bring Israel back into its own land.
You asked for the verse and I gave it to you.
You could have said thank you.
Insted you say this never happened.

As for Israel reigning over the nations in the Lord's land.That is in revelation.It takes place after the kingdom becomes Christs kingdom at the sound of the seventh trump.

And as I said .If you have studied revelation,you should be able to comprehend why Israel reigns over the nations in the Lord's land.

Isaiah 14:2
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors
 
daddd said:
Because God sent an angel to tell them when and where to flee.
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God also told those in Babylon to flee. Thats why the woman leaves Israel and flees iynot the wilderness.
Because God told her to.1260 days later ,Babylon is destroyed.

Flee from Babylon!
Run for your lives!
Do not be destroyed because of her sins.
It is time for the Lord’s vengeance;
he will repay her what she deserves.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
No,Christ hasn't reigned in the promised land.Not yet.

If he had ,there would be no sinners in that kingdom.
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My friend, if Christ hadn't shown mercy to the people who sinned against him by abusing him for no reason.....if he had passed judgement on them, they would have been executed. He offered them forgiveness.

in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them 2Cor.5:19

God reigns on earth now and always has and has shown patience daily. This longsuffering is shown no where better than in Jesus giving sinners time to repent for committing terrible sins against him.
 
journeyman said:
My friend, if Christ hadn't shown mercy to the people who sinned against him by abusing him for no reason.....if he had passed judgement on them, they would have been executed. He offered them forgiveness.

in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them 2Cor.5:19

God reigns on earth now and always has and has shown patience daily. This longsuffering is shown no where better than in Jesus giving sinners time to repent for committing terrible sins against him.
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So your saying,After Christ comes and starts his reign in his kingdom,you believe those who commit iniquity will remain in his kingdom?You do realize you are contradicting what Christ said ,don't you?


Mathew 13:41

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


I've said time and time again,there will be no sinners in his kingdom.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
I said the nations bring Israel back into its own land.
You asked for the verse and I gave it to you.
You could have said thank you.
Insted you say this never happened.
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It never happened in 1948. So why bring it up?


Shilohsfoal said:
As for Israel reigning over the nations in the Lord's land.That is in revelation.It takes place after the kingdom becomes Christs kingdom at the sound of the seventh trump.
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Yes believers will reign with Christ, including Jewish believers and He will HQ in Jerusalem area. That does not mean only Israel will rule.

Shilohsfoal said:
Isaiah 14:2
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors
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Lots will happen after they get saved and Jesus returns. Nothing to do with 1948
 
Shilohsfoal said:
So your saying,After Christ comes and starts his reign in his kingdom,you believe those who commit iniquity will remain in his kingdom?You do realize you are contradicting what Christ said ,don't you?


Mathew 13:41

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


I've said time and time again,there will be no sinners in his kingdom.
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You're saying no sinners in his Kingdom and citing a passage where sinners are in his Kingdom, but will be removed.
What I'm saying is, after Jesus is done ruling in mercy over mankind, Mt.13:41 is going to take place, because Jesus is returning as the great I am,

the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. 1Cor.15:28

Paul means "subjected" by the resurrection. He's saying Christ will be seen as God.
 
daddd said:
Great. So? That is supposed to be news? If God protects here how would the enemy be able to hurt her?

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty

Revelation 13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The rule of the evil king in the end is not restricted to Israel. Sorry. Yes the antichrist has a seat of power, but he rules the world for a short time in the end. Period.
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Antichrist isn’t mentioned nor alluded to in Revelation, not once. And the John who coined the term Antichrist, wrote Revelation so it’s not like he didn’t know the term.

Just want to point out that Rev 3:10 is a conditional promise. It is only for those who actually DO the teachings of Jesus, not those who believed they are saved from eternal punishment.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Antichrist isn’t mentioned nor alluded to in Revelation, not once. And the John who coined the term Antichrist, wrote Revelation so it’s not like he didn’t know the term.

Just want to point out that Rev 3:10 is a conditional promise. It is only for those who actually DO the teachings of Jesus, not those who believed they are saved from eternal punishment.
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Ok so the word Antichrist is not used in Revelation. (?)

Many read Revelation 12 and think it strongly shows an attack against Jesus.

Antichrist = against Christ.

This is a comment and not an attack against you.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
daddd said:
It never happened in 1948. So why bring it up?



Yes believers will reign with Christ, including Jewish believers and He will HQ in Jerusalem area. That does not mean only Israel will rule.


Lots will happen after they get saved and Jesus returns. Nothing to do with 1948
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So you believe nothing happened in 1948.
So while you wait for Israel to be brought back to the land of Israel,those who follow the Lamb will continue to do what Jesus commanded throughout all the cities of Israel till he comes.



Mathew 10:23
When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
 
eddif said:
Ok so the word Antichrist is not used in Revelation. (?)

Many read Revelation 12 and think it strongly shows an attack against Jesus.

Antichrist = against Christ.

This is a comment and not an attack against you.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
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Well, since the church is deeply persecuted, crucified, burned alive and this allowed for 3.5 years, Jesus was being attacked, no question. So you are right.

I was just pointing out that the Bogeyman Antichrist isn’t the one nor mentioned at all in the Revelation.
 
journeyman said:
I believe the "thousand years" is like "a day to God", in which he created the new man in Christ.

The temporary reign of Christ and his ministers is shown by his ruling in mercy over sinners, which is what he did during his own earthly ministry and continues in his ambassadors.
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You said Christ have a temporary reign and will reign over sinners during the millinium.

That is false.
1-Christs reign is not temporary.It is permanent.His kingdom is everlasting.

2-There are no sinners in Christs kingdom.They are all removed when he comes.That kingdom is cleansed from all it's sinners.
 
No, 1948 was not the rebirth of Israel or the nation born in a day. That was referring to the nation of the new covenant in the times of the new heavens and earth.
Dorothy Mae said:
Antichrist isn’t mentioned nor alluded to in Revelation, not once. And the John who coined the term Antichrist, wrote Revelation so it’s not like he didn’t know the term.
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Some believe or contemplate that John epistles were written post 70ad and antichrist referred to Simon bar kosibah, previously prophecied in Is 8:1,3,8 in contrast with Immanuel and as Gog of Ezekiel 38 & 39.isaiah 7:8 makes a 65 yr prophecy which aligns with 70-135 ad.
 
Endtimesdeut32 said:
No, 1948 was not the rebirth of Israel or the nation born in a day. That was referring to the nation of the new covenant in the times of the new heavens and earth.

Some believe or contemplate that John epistles were written post 70ad and antichrist referred to Simon bar kosibah, previously prophecied in Is 8:1,3,8 in contrast with Immanuel and as Gog of Ezekiel 38 & 39.isaiah 7:8 makes a 65 yr prophecy which aligns with 70-135 ad.
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The internal and external evidence is it was around 60 something AD when John was still in his 60s. Post 70 AD is when John was in his 90s and couldn’t even walk. Besides the “soon to happen” events fit the description.

But I agree there’s no reason to think God had anything to do with political Israel forming.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
But I agree there’s no reason to think God had anything to do with political Israel
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I think God gave them their first King (Saul)

He also warned them about having a king.

LOL
If it looks like a duck
Floats on water like a duck
Flys like a duck
Quacks like a duck
Has offspring like a duck

There is a good chance it is a duck

Even if it is not wearing a tee-shirt saying I am a Duck written in 5 ancient languages.

Did Saul wear a shirt saying (I am a political figure)?

This is all in fun (I hope). Seeing parallels is a tough row to hoe. Vines and briars are everywhere. Rednecks wear out a lot of cultivating equipment every year..

I am currently (really) pulling up hedge bushes with a tractor.
And have some blackberry bushes I just planted a few weeks ago.
So I could be sort of confused myself.

eddif
 
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