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Water Baptism

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Example of Biblical water baptism.



Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:35-39

  • And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.

  • Now when they came up out of the water,

JLB
 
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Example of Biblical water baptism.



Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:35-39

  • And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.

  • Now when they came up out of the water,

JLB
There are also 6 verses in the Numbers for sprinkling water as water baptism for cleansing.

Numbers 19:13 Whosoever toucheth the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, defileth the tabernacle of the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.

Numbers 19:18 And a clean person shall take hyssop, and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it upon the tent, and upon all the vessels, and upon the persons that were there, and upon him that touched a bone, or one slain, or one dead, or a grave: 19 And the clean person shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the third day, and on the seventh day: and on the seventh day he shall purify himself, and wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and shall be clean at even. 20 But the man that shall be unclean, and shall not purify himself, that soul shall be cut off from among the congregation, because he hath defiled the sanctuary of the Lord: the water of separation hath not been sprinkled upon him; he is unclean. 21 And it shall be a perpetual statute unto them, that he that sprinkleth the water of separation shall wash his clothes; and he that toucheth the water of separation shall be unclean until even.

Then there is this one below; which maybe why the early churches had adopted water sprinkling because it seems to depict that salvation moment in the N.T.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

But I am sure either one is allowed for new believers to take on, in being His disciples.
 
How did all those who were baptized by John the Baptist be able to walk in the Spirit when the indwelling had not happened yet until the day of Pentecost when Jesus was taken up and the Holy Spirt sent down?
They couldn't, not until, as you kindly pointed out, Christ was raised from the dead.
Thanks be to God for the New Covenant, eh?
 
Example of Biblical water baptism.



Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:35-39

  • And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.
  • Now when they came up out of the water,
That is a good reminder of how it is done.
Why?
To wash away past sins, just as John the Baptist's baptism did.
But In the NT, baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins also includes the death and burial of the old man and resurrection with Christ to walk in newness of life.
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (Rom 6:3-6)
 
There are also 6 verses in the Numbers for sprinkling water as water baptism for cleansing.

Numbers 19:13 Whosoever toucheth the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, defileth the tabernacle of the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.

Numbers 19:18 And a clean person shall take hyssop, and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it upon the tent, and upon all the vessels, and upon the persons that were there, and upon him that touched a bone, or one slain, or one dead, or a grave: 19 And the clean person shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the third day, and on the seventh day: and on the seventh day he shall purify himself, and wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and shall be clean at even. 20 But the man that shall be unclean, and shall not purify himself, that soul shall be cut off from among the congregation, because he hath defiled the sanctuary of the Lord: the water of separation hath not been sprinkled upon him; he is unclean. 21 And it shall be a perpetual statute unto them, that he that sprinkleth the water of separation shall wash his clothes; and he that toucheth the water of separation shall be unclean until even.

Then there is this one below; which maybe why the early churches had adopted water sprinkling because it seems to depict that salvation moment in the N.T.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

But I am sure either one is allowed for new believers to take on, in being His disciples.
Where did a disciple of the Lord ever "sprinkle" baptize anyone?
That can't simulate the burial of the old man like "immersion" does.
 
Where did a disciple of the Lord ever "sprinkle" baptize anyone?
That can't simulate the burial of the old man like "immersion" does.
Well I agree on that point even though they do not always testify that water baptism by immersion and so one can assume by the examples given that this was the only type of water baptism to be practiced, but since Paul did not emphasized water baptism, then maybe that is why the church eventually adopted the sprinkling from that Ezekiel reference since it can only apply to the New Covenant; the Good News in Jesus Christ.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

One could say that a body of water is not always going to be available for a church and for the winder time, a safer method may be applied back then.

Course churches can be heated now a days for how they can arrange for immersion.

But in all truth, this application "if" done by the early church, is not fully confirmed since the One doing the sprinkling is God.


Since water baptism was not important to Paul but preaching the gospel is because those who believe the preaching of the gospel are saved as Paul is.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... KJV

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. KJV

How do you apply these scripture from the KJV? Did God really say that thru Paul?
 
Well I agree on that point even though they do not always testify that water baptism by immersion and so one can assume by the examples given that this was the only type of water baptism to be practiced, but since Paul did not emphasized water baptism, then maybe that is why the church eventually adopted the sprinkling from that Ezekiel reference since it can only apply to the New Covenant; the Good News in Jesus Christ.
As the word "baptize" means..."Immerse or fully whelm", (Strong's Concordance), it is superfluous to think it means something besides "immerse".
One could say that a body of water is not always going to be available for a church and for the winder time, a safer method may be applied back then.
Water was made available to Philip and the Ethiopian in the desert, and will be made available today.
Course churches can be heated now a days for how they can arrange for immersion.
But in all truth, this application "if" done by the early church, is not fully confirmed since the One doing the sprinkling is God.
I feel that the Ethiopian eunuch confirms it perfectly.
As does every other use of the word "immerse or fully whelm".
Since water baptism was not important to Paul but preaching the gospel is because those who believe the preaching of the gospel are saved as Paul is.
Step one before step two.
1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... KJV
Yet Paul baptized multiple people, including the twelve at Ephesus.
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. KJV
How do you apply these scripture from the KJV? Did God really say that thru Paul?
Yes.
Step one, then step two through one-hundred.
God sent His Son to die for our sins.
Turn from your sins and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Just as Peter said in Acts 2:38.
Preaching repentance from sin and baptism for he remission of said sins to those who have not heard of Jesus would be inanity.
Don't you think so?
 
False Teaching and How It Impacts Baptism

Characteristics of bad teaching typically include human effort playing a significant role in God’s work and Christ’s pre-eminence and sufficiency being undermined. In some cases a number of Bible texts will be drawn into a theme that is out of step with the harmonious teaching of Scripture. Extra-biblical traditions are often a deceptive blend of Bible truths and spiritually harmful interpretations.

In the case of baptism, widespread man-made tradition is a corruption of the biblical position. Over hundreds of years church traditions have been passed on from generation to generation. Within Roman Catholicism the Sacrament of Baptism (see below) is taught as an infallible truth handed down from the days of the early church. But this is untrue. It does not fit the fullness of biblical truth. How many church-goers have been mislead because they became full church members through the legalism of Baptism? How does this impact them spiritually in the long run?

Taken in balance Scripture does not plainly teach salvation by a religious ceremony of any kind. Also, the New Testament does not explicitly support the view that a religious practice offered alongside faith is necessary for salvation. Rather, God’s Word teaches that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone. God draws us to Christ so that we may place our faith in Him and be born anew. Formerly, because of our sinful condition, we were dead in our sins, but now we are alive in Christ and accepted by God.

This is of critical importance. To teach otherwise robs God of His omnipotent independence. He is at the centre of all things, reconciling the world to Himself in and through Christ. If in any sense a ritual were crucial for salvation it would mean human endeavour and religious intervention play a key role in preventing God's punishment and gaining His everlasting favour. This is heresy.

The Roman Catholic Catechism teaches, “Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit… Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ… Baptism is a bath of water in which the ‘imperishable seed’ of the Word of God produces its life-giving effect… Baptism signifies liberation from sin… By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin.” The full catechism is available online.

I live in Ireland and according to the Church of Ireland, “God’s gift in baptism is new birth in Christ, a new direction in life as God’s child, and a calling to be a lifelong, faithful disciple of Christ… Baptism can take place at any age. In the Church of Ireland most people are baptised as infants. Children are baptised before they can answer for themselves so that they become fully included in the life of the Church… Baptism is a sacrament which, for any individual, cannot be repeated or undone, because it represents God’s once–for–all gift and calling to those baptised. If baptised persons want to affirm their faith at a later stage, the proper procedure is to present themselves for Confirmation or to renew their baptismal vows” (What We Believe: Baptism & Confirmation, ireland.anglican.org).

To Scripture-grounded believers these views sit uneasily alongside biblical doctrine. We know that God looks on the heart and demands true repentance and total trust in Christ before anyone can be born anew and saved from sin’s penalty. Therefore at the very least baptism in the true Church demonstrates we have willingly committed our lives to Christ—baptism is not in itself “the gateway to life”. Contrary to the Roman Catholic teaching above, authentic baptism follows on from our “new birth in Christ” which happened in response to our saving faith in Him: “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Ephesians 2:8, 9, NASB). The “works” of religious ceremonies are not necessary for salvation.

In the context of Scripture's final authority and uncompromised New Testament studies in general, Baptismal Regeneration (being born again spiritually into God’s new life through baptism) does not stand up to close scrutiny. We are not “freed from sin” by Baptism. We can say with assurance that definitive New Testament evidence for baptismal regeneration does not exist. Roman Catholic teaching is therefore false.

At best it’s unhelpful and somewhat ambiguous to use phraseology such as: “God’s gift in baptism is new birth in Christ” (Church of Ireland). However, baptism does indeed demonstrate “a new direction in life as God’s child” (Church of Ireland teaching) if that person has believed and responded in faith to Christ. But we face further insurmountable problems if these baptismal terms are applied to infants.

Many of those conditioned by their religious traditions have offered arguments that attempt to justify the baptism of babies. But their argumentation from Scripture is unconvincing, to say the least. Biblical texts have to be massaged into a state of compromise before infant baptism can be presented as God’s will for His Church. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the Roman Catholic Catechism’s lengthy explanation of Baptism. (If you are still confused by various beliefs on baptism—its practice and figurative significance—take the time to impartially examine the New Testament texts and contexts for yourself.)

Tiny babies cannot come to Christ by responding in faith to His message of salvation. Infants cannot be “freed from sin” by faith, but older children and adults can, by sincerely placing their trust in Christ. (It’s right to assume God recognises that in their innocence babies and infants have not committed any sins.) The nature of sin is not dealt with by Roman Catholic Baptism, and Church of Ireland definitions and practices throw the balanced scriptural position out of focus.

Few would seriously consider formally submerging or covering infants in water, but the immersion of believers is taught in Scripture:
"The Greek word 'Baptizo,' which occurs some eighty times in the New Testament, means—'to dip'—'to immerse'. Had our translators put it into English, they could not have represented it by any other term, certainly not by 'sprinkling.' But then if the translators of 1611 had translated the Greek word 'Baptizo' into the English word 'immerse', that would have upset the practice of the Church, and King James had given them distinct instructions not to do that, by their translation" (John Ritchie).​


Greek dictionaries define baptizo and associated terms as: dip, to immerse, to plunge, to sink, to submerge, to overwhelm, etc. In some references, the result of this action indicates "to purify through washing".

"Baptisma—bap'-tis-mah: 'baptism,' consisting of the processes of immersion, submersion and emergence (from bapto, 'to dip'); baptizo—bap-tid'-zo: 'to baptize,' primarily a frequentative form of bapto, 'to dip,' was used among the Greeks to signify the dyeing of a garment, or the drawing of water by dipping a vessel into another, etc" (W. E. Vine).

As a footnote to the above:

The mode of baptism that follows saving faith is occasionally debated among true believers. Some try to argue it's worthwhile coalescing views on biblical baptism for believers. For example, in the New Testament context and climate, should we always assume that following confessions of faith there was enough water nearby for immersion to take place? If precious water was in very short supply, were other methods used? Pouring, for example?

Also, a minority argue that because the New Testament was written in common language Greek (Koine), and not classical Greek, the word baptizo cannot strictly mean "immerse" or "dip": it may indicate or suggest pouring, or even sprinkling.

Baptism is only for those who have accepted Christ by faith and it must not in any sense be considered necessary for salvation.

A majority of those who acknowledge the final authority of Scripture believe that—​
  • Baptism is a public act of obedience that follows our conversion to Christ by faith in His Gospel message.​
  • Baptism demonstrates we have fully surrendered our lives to Christ.​
  • Baptism shows that from our hearts we have confessed our lost and sinful condition to God.​
  • Baptism signifies that we are confessing our old life is past and that we have been born again into new life in Christ. We have put on Christ in the newness of life.​
  • Baptism is a reverential picture of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ our Saviour.​
 
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As the word "baptize" means..."Immerse or fully whelm", (Strong's Concordance), it is superfluous to think it means something besides "immerse".
Strong's Concordance is not always right. Sometimes they refer to what is generally accepted church's traditions or understanding rather than by the scripture in context.

I cannot recall an example right now, but God be willing, He may remind you in case you had come across it yourself or point one out to you soon if you had not.

Proving everything by he scripture also means the Strong's Concordance.
Water was made available to Philip and the Ethiopian in the desert, and will be made available today.
I agree that there are no scripture showing the practice of water baptism by sprinkling in the New Testament even though there are verses that addresses water baptism in general reference without the testimony of immersion.
I feel that the Ethiopian eunuch confirms it perfectly.
As does every other use of the word "immerse or fully whelm".

Step one before step two.
Believing in Jesus Christ to be saved is step one but then, step one to be His disciples is to be water baptized in Jesus's name. That is how one becomes His disciples after becoming a new believer. Then this is step two and more for His disciples.

John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Yet Paul baptized multiple people, including the twelve at Ephesus.

Yes.
Step one, then step two through one-hundred.
God sent His Son to die for our sins.
Turn from your sins and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Just as Peter said in Acts 2:38.
Actually, him addressing the crowd that had crucified Jesus in unbelief is Peter telling them to repent from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ to get that remission of sins.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Now since there is only one gospel is why I had not boldened that water baptism part because the Gentiles were saved before water baptism for why many believers misread that passage to mean in Acts 2:38

See how believing in Him is how one receives remission of sins for the Gentiles as peter testified that is what the O.T. prophets says in scripture.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Preaching repentance from sin and baptism for he remission of said sins to those who have not heard of Jesus would be inanity.
Don't you think so?
Can you explain this verse below in context?

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

So we are saved simply for believing in Jesus Christ and because we are saved, we can run that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help us to do this to the end, living a life of repentance by laying aside every weight ( provision for the flesh ) & sin daily..
 
There are also 6 verses in the Numbers for sprinkling water as water baptism for cleansing.

Numbers 19:13 Whosoever toucheth the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, defileth the tabernacle of the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.

Numbers 19:18 And a clean person shall take hyssop, and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it upon the tent, and upon all the vessels, and upon the persons that were there, and upon him that touched a bone, or one slain, or one dead, or a grave: 19 And the clean person shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the third day, and on the seventh day: and on the seventh day he shall purify himself, and wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and shall be clean at even. 20 But the man that shall be unclean, and shall not purify himself, that soul shall be cut off from among the congregation, because he hath defiled the sanctuary of the Lord: the water of separation hath not been sprinkled upon him; he is unclean. 21 And it shall be a perpetual statute unto them, that he that sprinkleth the water of separation shall wash his clothes; and he that toucheth the water of separation shall be unclean until even.

Then there is this one below; which maybe why the early churches had adopted water sprinkling because it seems to depict that salvation moment in the N.T.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

But I am sure either one is allowed for new believers to take on, in being His disciples.

John’s Baptism, (water baptism) was instituted as the New Testament pattern of Baptism.


The baptism of John—where was it from? From heaven or from men?” Matthew 21:25


And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.” Acts 19:1-3



The example of Jesus Christ being baptized —


When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.
Matthew 3:16


  • When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water;




JLB
 
John’s Baptism, (water baptism) was instituted as the New Testament pattern of Baptism.


The baptism of John—where was it from? From heaven or from men?” Matthew 21:25


And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.” Acts 19:1-3



The example of Jesus Christ being baptized —


When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.
Matthew 3:16


  • When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water;




JLB
Thank you for sharing those few examples where water baptism has been shown by immersion.

I believe why Paul deferred from water baptism to believing the preaching of the gospel was how God has saved us, would demote the importance of water baptism.

I believe the point of the Lord using John of preparing the way of the Lord is by his water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins as that became the way of the Lord by believing in Him for the remission of sins.

Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Water baptism is an ordinance for saved believers to follow as His disciples, but I do not believe there is a strict way of having that water baptism.

Infant baptism of sprinkling is not taught but strange how most denomination are doing that.
 
Strong's Concordance is not always right. Sometimes they refer to what is generally accepted church's traditions or understanding rather than by the scripture in context.
I don't buy that.
They include all the uses for a word, but may alter the order of definitions to an allegedly accepted order.
I agree that there are no scripture showing the practice of water baptism by sprinkling in the New Testament even though there are verses that addresses water baptism in general reference without the testimony of immersion.
Yet, the episode with Philip and the Ethiopian remains.
Believing in Jesus Christ to be saved is step one but then, step one to be His disciples is to be water baptized in Jesus's name. That is how one becomes His disciples after becoming a new believer. Then this is step two and more for His disciples.
Why "juggle"?
You have to hear of it before you can decide to accept it and act on it.
John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Hear it, act on it.
Actually, him addressing the crowd that had crucified Jesus in unbelief is Peter telling them to repent from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ to get that remission of sins.
Repent from unbelief but not from sin?
Where is it written that those visiting Jerusalem 40 days after the crucifixion had any part in Jesus' death?
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
First, a command to tell others, second, a command to "turn from" sin, and third, a command to washed of those sins in the name of Jesus Christ.
Now since there is only one gospel is why I had not boldened that water baptism part because the Gentiles were saved before water baptism for why many believers misread that passage to mean in Acts 2:38
Saved, sin laden, unbelievers.
I can't agree.
See how believing in Him is how one receives remission of sins for the Gentiles as peter testified that is what the O.T. prophets says in scripture.
I don't believe that POV either.
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
You cant get baptized for the remission of sins without knowing of the name first.
Step one, then steps two through "endure till the end".
Can you explain this verse below in context?
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
The gifts are there for anyone, including the Jews, willing to submit to God.
So we are saved simply for believing in Jesus Christ and because we are saved, we can run that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help us to do this to the end, living a life of repentance by laying aside every weight ( provision for the flesh ) & sin daily..
What is the definition of the word "repent" that you choose?
 
I don't buy that.
They include all the uses for a word, but may alter the order of definitions to an allegedly accepted order.
If the Lord is willing, I may recall it soon or you may come across it one day.
Yet, the episode with Philip and the Ethiopian remains.

Why "juggle"?
You have to hear of it before you can decide to accept it and act on it.

Hear it, act on it.

Repent from unbelief but not from sin?
Where is it written that those visiting Jerusalem 40 days after the crucifixion had any part in Jesus' death?

First, a command to tell others, second, a command to "turn from" sin, and third, a command to washed of those sins in the name of Jesus Christ.

Saved, sin laden, unbelievers.
I can't agree.

I don't believe that POV either.

You cant get baptized for the remission of sins without knowing of the name first.
Step one, then steps two through "endure till the end".

The gifts are there for anyone, including the Jews, willing to submit to God.

What is the definition of the word "repent" that you choose?
Some sinners know how sin dominates their lives and ruining it for why some altar calls like "repent from all sins and come to & believe in Jesus Christ" or "if you are nor saved, make a commitment to follow Christ", they will not respond, looking to themselves to do that when they could not stop sinning before.

That is why sinners are to repent from unbelief by believing in Him in how they are saved. John 3:16 and other scriptures testify how believing is how we are saved.

Then after they are saved, they are to be discipled by telling them now they have power to live as sons of God by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help thus lay aside every weight & sin daily.

In the early church, there was a dispute about believers needing to be circumcise & to keep the law of Moses, but they reproved, that while new Gentiles believers that have been saved were still instructed to do these things in following Him.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

So we are saved and yet there is a race to be run by faith in Jesus Christ which is what discipleship is all about as we are to look to Him daily to help us lay aside every weight & sin to be fruitful & that our joy may be full in the Lord while living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.
 
Paul did not say that was what water baptism was for, otherwise he would not have written this below.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God..... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Do you trust Paul more than Jesus?
Sometimes I wonder who it is that went to the cross for us.
Personally, if there's any doubt...
I refer to Jesus' words.
And He told the Apostles to BAPTIZE all nations.
Matthew 28:19
 
Do we have to be physically submerged in water to be baptize?
No.
Baptism in the name of THE FATHER, THE SON, and the HOLY SPIRIT
is baptism.
It's the intent that counts...not how the water is used/given.

A person can be baptized with NO WATER.
It is the baptism of desire and can be used in times of danger and/or death.
 
Do you trust Paul more than Jesus?
Sometimes I wonder who it is that went to the cross for us.
Personally, if there's any doubt...
I refer to Jesus' words.
And He told the Apostles to BAPTIZE all nations.
Matthew 28:19
Paul was referring to what was necessary to achieve salvation because God saves those who believes the preaching of the cross as Paul and other believers "are saved".

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God......... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

As for the topic of the thread, as far as discipleship goes since water baptism is an ordinance for new believers to follow after salvation in being His disciples, I would think His disciples & Paul would demand water immersion as the only form of water baptism for the church to follow but they never did.

Certainly, there are no warnings for not doing water baptism by immersion if it was really that important, since the baptism by Jesus Christ with the Holy Ghost at our salvation is, when we believe in Jesus Christ.

But we can all agree that the few examples in scripture for water baptism by immersion has been given in the Book of Acts.
 
No.
Baptism in the name of THE FATHER, THE SON, and the HOLY SPIRIT
is baptism.
It's the intent that counts...not how the water is used/given.

A person can be baptized with NO WATER.
It is the baptism of desire and can be used in times of danger and/or death.
Jesus baptizes new believers with the Holy Ghost at their salvation when they believe in Him.
 
Paul was referring to what was necessary to achieve salvation because God saves those who believes the preaching of the cross as Paul and other believers "are saved".

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God......... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

As for the topic of the thread, as far as discipleship goes since water baptism is an ordinance for new believers to follow after salvation in being His disciples, I would think His disciples & Paul would demand water immersion as the only form of water baptism for the church to follow but they never did.

Certainly, there are no warnings for not doing water baptism by immersion if it was really that important, since the baptism by Jesus Christ with the Holy Ghost at our salvation is, when we believe in Jesus Christ.

But we can all agree that the few examples in scripture for water baptism by immersion has been given in the Book of Acts.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles for their conversion.
He probably also baptized, but that was not his primary ministry.
I meant that Jesus said to baptize ... so baptize we must.

It wasn't easy to be baptized by immersion.
In some places water was scarce...
I agree that IF it were that important, certainly someone would have written something.
The ECFs did not believe full immersion was necessary, if not readily available.
And yes, the important baptism is at our salvation...this is when we receive the Holy Spirit.

What about Acts 19:1-6 ?
Didn't Paul baptize?
 
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