Water Baptism

[for_his_glory]

Why do you believe Jesus ordered the Apostles to baptize?

I agree we are saved by faith...
But then why baptism?

When you get baptized in water it is a symbol of being purified by God as in being made clean. When you get baptized in the Holy Spirit God has now brought you into His kingdom through the Spiritual rebirth from above for at that time we are baptized into Christ.

 

[Hopeful]

Actually, it is by believing in Jesus Christ is how one receives the remission of sins.

I believe Peter said something different.
He said..."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)
Ananias said something similar to Paul..."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)
GOLGOTHA:
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And where is anything done "in His name"?
At baptism "in the name of Jesus Christ" for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)
In fact, a few verses after the ones you posted, this is written..."Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:47-48)

Water baptism got interjected in Acts 2:38 but in context, he was addressing the Jews that had crucified Jesus in unbelief for why repent in verse 38 is to turn from unbelief by believing in Him is how they got the remission of sins too since there is only one gospel.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Our opinions differ.

This is the truth in how we all receive the remission of sins by believing in Him because the Gentiles believers had received the promise of the Holy Spirit BEFORE water baptism.
Since there is only one gospel, believers need to read Acts 2 in context since water baptism has nothing to do with the remission of sins like John the Baptist's water baptism but repenting from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ is.

There is only one gospel.
Jesus died for our sins, and was raised from the dead three days later.
What men do after hearing it can be numbered in the hundreds.
Some choose to turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
After which they are promised the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
It worked that way for me, thanks be to God.

 

[Hopeful]

When you get baptized in water it is a symbol of being purified by God as in being made clean. When you get baptized in the Holy Spirit God has now brought you into His kingdom through the Spiritual rebirth from above for at that time we are baptized into Christ.

You missed that we also have crucified the flesh, buried it, and been raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
Or is that also just symbolic to you?

 

[Golgotha]

Why do you believe Jesus ordered the Apostles to baptize?

I agree we are saved by faith...
But then why baptism?

To differentiate as a new believer and a disciple of Jesus Christ from being a disciple of the Pharisees or to differentiate from being a disciple of John the Baptist's.

Mark 2:18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?

Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Those coming out from under another water baptism as new believers in Jesus Christ to be water baptized in Jesus's name, are identifying publicly their changed status as disciples of Jesus Christ and no longer that other disciple.

 

[Golgotha]

There is the case of the thief on the cross who repented, the women who was to be stoned for adultery, the women at the well,

Their salvation enabled them to go to Abaraham's bosom aka Paradise which was a holding place for O.T. saints before Christ had descended to them to preach to them the gospel whereby upon His resurrection and after His ascension, He led the captivity captive to Heaven where Paradise is now located.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

So Jesus story about the rich man and the beggar Lazarus is true as located beneath the earth. 1 Samuel 28:5-20 confirms this when King Saul sinned against the Lord in consulting with a medium to contact the spirit of the prophet, Samuel in bringing up from beneath the earth. Do click on that scripture reference to read.

Hebrews 11: 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

So that proves Paradise & Abraham's bosom are one and the same as the thief was to meet Jesus that very day in Paradise but He descended into the earth first to preach unto them in prison which I take as the holding place for O.T. saints.

Ephesians 4: 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

This was necessary because only Christ can bring us to God in Heaven.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient,

So after His ascension, Paradise is now located to Heaven as Paul indirectly testified of the apostle John and the Book of Revelation.

2 Corinthians 12:1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

death bed confessions and even those who are incapacitated that can not be immersed in water. Does this mean they are not saved or born again, no. It means that no dirty river water is going to save anyone, but that it is only a symbol of repentance like that of John the baptist who called those to repent first. There is nothing wrong with being dunked in water, but know that it is only an outward appearance to others of what has already taken place Spiritually within you when you repented, accepted Jesus and was indwelled with the Holy Spirit.

Baptism is not mentioned in John chapter three so why do so many believe we are to be dunked in dirty river water as the water can not bring about Gods salvation, but only by faith do we believe as it comes by Gods grace, Ephesians 2:1-10, as we hear the gospel (word/living water) preached to us.

Those O.T. saints were not born again of the Spirit until Christ had suffered the cross, preached unto them in prison where they believed in Him to be saved. Then after His resurrection and by His ascension, He brought Paradise to Heaven along with them.

 

[Golgotha]

I believe Peter said something different.
He said..."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)

for_his_glory & wondering

There is only one gospel for why this same Peter said this to the Gentiles clearly on how to receive the remission of sins by believing in Jesus Christ.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

This had happened before water baptism.

One could ask why but in truth, in regards to the Jews, they may be under the water baptism of the Pharisees' as being a disciple of the Pharisees' or under the water baptism of John the Baptist's in being a disciple of John the Baptist's.

Mark 2:18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?

So in that regard, water baptism in Jesus's name is required as a public witness that they are believers in Jesus Christ and by that water baptism in Jesus's name, they are now disciples of Jesus Christ, but the remission of sins is the same for the Jews as it is for the Gentiles by believing in Jesus Christ since Peter was referring to the promise in the scriptures by all the prophets that had witnessed to this in Acts 10:43.

Ananias said something similar to Paul..."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)

Calling on the name of the Lord or believing in Jesus Christ is the same thing for why his sins were actually washed away. One has to discern between "rise up and be water baptized" and the "calling on the name of the Lord" for how the sins are actually washed away by. Since there is only one gospel,

GOLGOTHA:
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And where is anything done "in His name"?

"whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."

At baptism "in the name of Jesus Christ" for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)
In fact, a few verses after the ones you posted, this is written..."Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:47-48)

Our opinions differ.

Scripturally, yes, they do but because scripture cannot go against scripture and there is only one gospel for why Paul testify that he has the right hand of fellowship with His disciples, then only one of us is rightly dividing the word of truth here but only Jesus can help us see that truth.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

BTW in case you misread "committed" verse 7, commit does not always mean "I will do it" by a bondage like a commitment which is (evil) but "entrust" as in "He will do it" since it can be defined as rolling the burden over "to Another" in the Bible.

Biblical Definition & Usage of Commit

Anyway, since Paul declared that there is only one gospel, here is no way he could have the right hand of fellowship with James, Cephas ( Peter ), and John unless they were speaking the same thing, and since it was the same Peter that spoke in Acts 2 to the Jews as the same Peter that had spoken to the Gentiles, is why discernment is needed here because there is only one gospel.

There is only one gospel.
Jesus died for our sins, and was raised from the dead three days later.
What men do after hearing it can be numbered in the hundreds.
Some choose to turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
After which they are promised the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
It worked that way for me, thanks be to God.

When it comes to water baptism, in light of the gospel preached by Peter in being the same to the Gentiles as it is to the Jews, it is not required for salvation, but it is required for new believers in being known publicly as now His disciples.

 

[WIP]

When you get baptized in water it is a symbol of being purified by God as in being made clean. When you get baptized in the Holy Spirit God has now brought you into His kingdom through the Spiritual rebirth from above for at that time we are baptized into Christ.

A symbol for whom? Who benefits from the symbolism?

 

[GodsGrace]

To differentiate as a new believer and a disciple of Jesus Christ from being a disciple of the Pharisees or to differentiate from being a disciple of John the Baptist's.

Mark 2:18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?

Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Those coming out from under another water baptism as new believers in Jesus Christ to be water baptized in Jesus's name, are identifying publicly their changed status as disciples of Jesus Christ and no longer that other disciple.

But today we have Only the baptism of Jesus...
So the above doesn't seem to be valid ...

 

[GodsGrace]

for_his_glory & wondering

There is only one gospel for why this same Peter said this to the Gentiles clearly on how to receive the remission of sins by believing in Jesus Christ.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

This had happened before water baptism.

One could ask why but in truth, in regards to the Jews, they may be under the water baptism of the Pharisees' as being a disciple of the Pharisees' or under the water baptism of John the Baptist's in being a disciple of John the Baptist's.

Mark 2:18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?

So in that regard, water baptism in Jesus's name is required as a public witness that they are believers in Jesus Christ and by that water baptism in Jesus's name, they are now disciples of Jesus Christ, but the remission of sins is the same for the Jews as it is for the Gentiles by believing in Jesus Christ since Peter was referring to the promise in the scriptures by all the prophets that had witnessed to this in Acts 10:43.

Calling on the name of the Lord or believing in Jesus Christ is the same thing for why his sins were actually washed away. One has to discern between "rise up and be water baptized" and the "calling on the name of the Lord" for how the sins are actually washed away by. Since there is only one gospel,

"whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."

Scripturally, yes, they do but because scripture cannot go against scripture and there is only one gospel for why Paul testify that he has the right hand of fellowship with His disciples, then only one of us is rightly dividing the word of truth here but only Jesus can help us see that truth.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

BTW in case you misread "committed" verse 7, commit does not always mean "I will do it" by a bondage like a commitment which is (evil) but "entrust" as in "He will do it" since it can be defined as rolling the burden over "to Another" in the Bible.

Biblical Definition & Usage of Commit

Anyway, since Paul declared that there is only one gospel, here is no way he could have the right hand of fellowship with James, Cephas ( Peter ), and John unless they were speaking the same thing, and since it was the same Peter that spoke in Acts 2 to the Jews as the same Peter that had spoken to the Gentiles, is why discernment is needed here because there is only one gospel.

When it comes to water baptism, in light of the gospel preached by Peter in being the same to the Gentiles as it is to the Jews, it is not required for salvation, but it is required for new believers in being known publicly as now His disciples.

Oops.
Missed this.
Later when at computer.

 

[Hopeful]

There is only one gospel for why this same Peter said this to the Gentiles clearly on how to receive the remission of sins by believing in Jesus Christ.

How can you say that when the words say..."and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins" ????

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And where is this name of Jesus Christ used?
At water baptism.

This had happened before water baptism.

Acts 10:43 is after 2:38.

 

[Golgotha]

But today we have Only the baptism of Jesus...
So the above doesn't seem to be valid ...

Well, I doubt any one is still a disciple of John the Baptist's but there may be still disciples of the Pharisees for why a water baptism of a Jewish convert publicly may be need as a public confession or witness that He is a believer & disciple of Jesus Christ now. Thing is, I do not know if there are any disciples of the Pharisees remaining to this day or if they even call themselves that for that water baptism to be necessary as a witness.

But after the rapture, there will be suddenly 144,000 born again Jews that will become witnesses for Jesus Christ for the coming great tribulation and it will not happen at a water baptism either, but by baptism of the Holy Ghost by Jesus Christ. That will happen when they become believers in Jesus Christ.

 

[Golgotha]

How can you say that when the words say..."and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins" ????

And where is this name of Jesus Christ used?
At water baptism.

Acts 10:43 is after 2:38.

It is because of Acts 10:43 is why it is proof that you are misreading Acts 2:38 for how they got that remission of sins since there is only one gospel.

Otherwise, why not cry foul to God and say "Hey! They were not water baptized first to get the remission of sins so they can get the Holy Ghost!! What gives?!!"

But nobody does that and yet ignore that conundrum. But if they discern Acts 10:43, then they may be able to see that Acts 2:38 was about repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how the Jews that had crucified Jesus in unbelief, were saved and it had nothing to do with water baptism at all for those Jews getting the remission of sins.

 

[eddif]

Well, I doubt any one is still a disciple of John the Baptist's but there may be still disciples of the Pharisees for why a water baptism of a Jewish convert publicly may be need as a public confession or witness that He is a believer & disciple of Jesus Christ now. Thing is, I do not know if there are any disciples of the Pharisees remaining to this day or if they even call themselves that for that water baptism to be necessary as a witness.

But after the rapture, there will be suddenly 144,000 born again Jews that will become witnesses for Jesus Christ for the coming great tribulation and it will not happen at a water baptism either, but by baptism of the Holy Ghost by Jesus Christ. That will happen when they become believers in Jesus Christ.

If you are a person who does not think you are a sinner, then even today you are a candidate for John’s baptism.

The great commission instructs to baptize in
The name of the:

Father - John’s baptism of repentance.
IMHO a person will not see any use for Jesus before they realize they have offended God.
The great commission was given right before Jesus assended to heaven. His work on earth was done, but the need for repentance was still needed - then and toda

Son - Jesus’s baptism of salvation.
At this point I want a Pentecostal nearby. They will tell you in a heartbeat there is one name under heave you may be saved by. John will not save you. Peter will not save you, but believe in the work of Jesus will. Jesus hsd to return to heaven to send the Holy Spirit.

Holy Spirit - Holy Spirit baptism is the empowerment to witness.
You can talk but you need power to really get everything done.

eddif

 

[eddif]

When you get baptized in water it is a symbol of being purified by God as in being made clean. When you get baptized in the Holy Spirit God has now brought you into His kingdom through the Spiritual rebirth from above for at that time we are baptized into Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:1 kjv
1. Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2. And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
4. And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
5. And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

People who talk about symbolism seem to be able to jump 10 generations and still be on task.

Baptized in a cloud
Baptized dry shod in the sea

Acts 8:37 kjv
37. And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Baptized because he believed Jesus is the son of God.

Seems that baptism concepts are pretty broad.

eddif

 

[Golgotha]

If you are a person who does not think you are a sinner, then even today you are a candidate for John’s baptism.

The great commission instructs to baptize in
The name of the:

Father - John’s baptism of repentance.
IMHO a person will not see any use for Jesus before they realize they have offended God.
The great commission was given right before Jesus assended to heaven. His work on earth was done, but the need for repentance was still needed - then and toda

John's baptism of repentance for the remission of sins became he way for how believing in Jesus Christ is for the remission of sins.

Son - Jesus’s baptism of salvation.
At this point I want a Pentecostal nearby. They will tell you in a heartbeat there is one name under heave you may be saved by. John will not save you. Peter will not save you, but believe in the work of Jesus will. Jesus hsd to return to heaven to send the Holy Spirit.

Holy Spirit - Holy Spirit baptism is the empowerment to witness.
You can talk but you need power to really get everything done.

eddif

Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Ghost at our salvation, as sent from the Father.

The power of the Holy Spirit is also received at our salvation. John 1:12-13

So there is only one baptism of the Spirit and that happens at our born again of the Spirit moment when we come to & believe in Jesus Christ; John 3:7-16

 

[for_his_glory]

1 Corinthians 10:1 kjv
1. Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2. And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
4. And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
5. And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

People who talk about symbolism seem to be able to jump 10 generations and still be on task.

Baptized in a cloud
Baptized dry shod in the sea

Acts 8:37 kjv
37. And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Baptized because he believed Jesus is the son of God.

Seems that baptism concepts are pretty broad.

eddif

There are something like seven different types of baptism that are taught, but yet water is not going to bring about God's salvation or the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

I was actually baptized three times. Once as a baby and twice after I asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior. The first immersion seemed to not take as I felt nothing, but wet. The second immersion, felt the same way, so no dirty river water is going to save anyone.

 

[for_his_glory]

A symbol for whom? Who benefits from the symbolism?

A symbol to other's that you have been made clean by the washing of the blood of Christ. Is there any saving provisions in the water or are we saved by God's free gift of faith in Christ Jesus.

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Jesus never baptized anyone in water as it would have taken up most of His ministry. The baptism of Christ is for the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Hopeful]

It is because of Acts 10:43 is why it is proof that you are misreading Acts 2:38 for how they got that remission of sins since there is only one gospel.

Otherwise, why not cry foul to God and say "Hey! They were not water baptized first to get the remission of sins so they can get the Holy Ghost!! What gives?!!"

But nobody does that and yet ignore that conundrum. But if they discern Acts 10:43, then they may be able to see that Acts 2:38 was about repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how the Jews that had crucified Jesus in unbelief, were saved and it had nothing to do with water baptism at all for those Jews getting the remission of sins.

We have differing opinions.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is only one gospel for why this same Peter said this to the Gentiles clearly on how to receive the remission of sins by believing in Jesus Christ.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

This had happened before water baptism.

One could ask why but in truth, in regards to the Jews, they may be under the water baptism of the Pharisees' as being a disciple of the Pharisees' or under the water baptism of John the Baptist's in being a disciple of John the Baptist's.

Mark 2:18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?

So in that regard, water baptism in Jesus's name is required as a public witness that they are believers in Jesus Christ and by that water baptism in Jesus's name, they are now disciples of Jesus Christ, but the remission of sins is the same for the Jews as it is for the Gentiles by believing in Jesus Christ since Peter was referring to the promise in the scriptures by all the prophets that had witnessed to this in Acts 10:43.

Of course the receving of the Holy Spirit comes at the time of our Spiritual rebirth when we are then baptized into Christ baptism confessing Him as Lord and Savior. Water has nothing to do with our salvation as I have already explained that.

My question to you is, Where is it written in scripture about the Pharisee's water baltism as I never heard of that before?

One more question, you said "water baptism in Jesus's name is required as a public witness that they are believers in Jesus Christ". What about those who confess Jesus as Lord and Savior, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9-10, but incapable of being immersed in water. Have they no public witness?

 

[for_his_glory]

Their salvation enabled them to go to Abaraham's bosom aka Paradise which was a holding place for O.T. saints before Christ had descended to them to preach to them the gospel whereby upon His resurrection and after His ascension, He led the captivity captive to Heaven where Paradise is now located.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

So Jesus story about the rich man and the beggar Lazarus is true as located beneath the earth. 1 Samuel 28:5-20 confirms this when King Saul sinned against the Lord in consulting with a medium to contact the spirit of the prophet, Samuel in bringing up from beneath the earth. Do click on that scripture reference to read.

Hebrews 11: 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

So that proves Paradise & Abraham's bosom are one and the same as the thief was to meet Jesus that very day in Paradise but He descended into the earth first to preach unto them in prison which I take as the holding place for O.T. saints.

Ephesians 4: 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

This was necessary because only Christ can bring us to God in Heaven.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient,

So after His ascension, Paradise is now located to Heaven as Paul indirectly testified of the apostle John and the Book of Revelation.

2 Corinthians 12:1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Those O.T. saints were not born again of the Spirit until Christ had suffered the cross, preached unto them in prison where they believed in Him to be saved. Then after His resurrection and by His ascension, He brought Paradise to Heaven along with them.

Um, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus was not literal, nor did Saul speak to Samuel.

1 Samuel 28:12-20 this women used a familar spirit that took on the form of Samuel as this is why the scripture says Samuel spoke. Look closely at vs. 14, Saul ask what form is he of and the women describe the form and Saul stooped with his face to the ground and bowed himself before the form, not actually seeing it, but only perceiving it was Samuel. The familiar spirit only spoke of things that Saul already knew about God being quiet and why He was quiet toward Saul. The familiar spirit never gave Saul an answer of what he should do. Then the familiar spirit proceeded to tell Saul what was about to happen to him and his sons that they would be in the ground from whence the familiar spirit came from.

Saul is now in his grave waiting that of the lake of fire as his name is not written in the Lambs book of life, but will face Gods judgement for being an abomination to God. God rejected Saul for his disobedience against Him.

1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
1 Chronicles 10:14 And enquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.


These parables of Jesus began in Luke 10:25 when a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? From that point moving forward Jesus gave 15 parables, meaning illustrations, beginning in Luke chapter 10-16 that all pertain to what we are to do in order to receive eternal life.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hell
Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit
Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell

The English word hell, back in 1611, meant about the same as Hades, that being covered or unseen as in grave/pit. We do not see those in the grave as they are unseen to the eye as they are covered with dirt, or some placed in a tomb. The word hell is derived from the Saxon helan, to cover, and signifying merely the covered, or invisible place. The habitation of those who have gone from the visible terrestrial region to the world of spirits.

Abraham's bosom just refers to a place of comfort where the righteous dead wait in their grave until judgement day when at that time they will spend eternal life with the Father, John 5:28, 29. Jesus was raised from the dead, but still many were not persuaded to accept Him as Lord and Savior as they refused the teachings of the Apostles, even today unto the end of days.


The description of the clothing of the High Priest is found in Exodus 28 and 38:1-31. In the NT scribes were of the same sect of the Pharisees and would also be arrayed in purple and fine linen with miters on their heads. There were also a subordinate class of scribes, most of whom were Levites

The rich man in this parable is symbolic of the Mosaic experts (Lawyers) in which Jesus characterizes and condemns them and the Pharisees in Matthew 23:1-36 and Luke 11:37-54.

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

All these parables in Matthew, Mark and Luke are all about what we have to do to inherit eternal life. Lazarus in this parable represents those in whom we are to reach out to as in what Jesus said in Matthew 25:31-46 about the sheep and the goats as some will inherit eternal life while others will go away into ever lasting punishment and be remembered no more by God, John 5:28, 29.

Darkness (lake of fire) and light (the New Jerusalem) are separate from each other as no one in either place can see each other. All former things are passed away and we will not have any recognition of things of this present earth including family and friends that rejected Christ and will be in a place of outer darkness and gnashing of teeth as they are cast into the lake of fire, Isaiah 65:17-25; Rev 21:1-8, Matthew 8:12; 22:13; Luke 20:34-38.