GodsGrace
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I made it up Cygnus.
It's one of my favorite sayings.
You do your best,
Jesus does the rest.
Do you like it?
Do you agree?
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We are not saved by faith alone as Martin Luther inferred..... here is the Biblical evidence
- Thread starter Rajesh Sahu
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It's one of my favorite sayings.
You do your best,
Jesus does the rest.
Do you like it?
Do you agree?
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whatgoeshere?
Guest
I like it. We're indwelt by the Holy Spirit who guides us. We are not alone. Jesus has our back always.
Ephesians 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
http://gochristianhelps.com/tracts/stl/notworks.htm
101
Verses that Teach:
Salvation
is NOT
by Works!
A Handy, Quick
Reference Guide
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
You care to go thru those verses one by one?I like it. We're indwelt by the Holy Spirit who guides us. We are not alone. Jesus has our back always.
Ephesians 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
http://gochristianhelps.com/tracts/stl/notworks.htm
101
Verses that Teach:
Salvation
is NOT
by Works!
A Handy, Quick
Reference Guide
I do wonder if they say what I'm saying?
Did Papa Zoom help you with that cat?
It's too funny!
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I read a few.I like it. We're indwelt by the Holy Spirit who guides us. We are not alone. Jesus has our back always.
Ephesians 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
http://gochristianhelps.com/tracts/stl/notworks.htm
101
Verses that Teach:
Salvation
is NOT
by Works!
A Handy, Quick
Reference Guide
The first 8 are good.
Except that in the o.t. persons were called righteous of their own works.
No.9 was problematic for me.
Let me ask you a simple question:
Is it necessary to obey God?
The first four scriptures deal with faith alone apart from good works as faith which is Christ Jesus is a gift from God and we do not work for free gifts.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Romans 10: 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
These scriptures in Matthew 25 show the continued works of Christ through us as being the greatest commandment of love. Our rewards in heaven are for the works we did for the Lord and not of our self.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Romans 10: 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
These scriptures in Matthew 25 show the continued works of Christ through us as being the greatest commandment of love. Our rewards in heaven are for the works we did for the Lord and not of our self.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Ones sanctification by the power of Gods Spirit, is the fruit of a believer already justified and saved. Your works of righteousness plays no role in your justification. If it did then Christ died in vain. You keep intertwining justification and sanctification as all works based religiousness do. The very fact you believe your works play a role in your salvation proves what I just said. “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5.
Christ is my righteousness. My assurance of eternal life rest in Christ and His merits alone. Not my own merits of obedience. My obedience is done out of love and gratitude towards my God in Christ. A desire that all the elect have by Gods power and Spirit. The law humbles me and shows forth my wretchedness so that I may surrender and lay hold of Christ my Savior. My desire is to live holy and obedient, as all Gods elect. Your fight is against antinomians. Which is no different than the self righteous law keepers that justify themselves before God by their own righteousness
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whatgoeshere?
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What passage has that statement? "Do not say in your heart when the LORD your God has driven them out before you, 'Because of my righteousness the LORD has brought me in to possess this land,' but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is dispossessing them before you. It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Know, then, it is not because of your righteousness that the LORD your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stubborn people." (Deuteronomy 9:4-6)
Why?
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whatgoeshere?
Guest
Who's words commit to our soul and its eternal destiny ? We are not saved by anything but God's grace first. How do we then work to remain saved when it was God's choice to render that gift unto us as his grace?
God giveth and we labor to keep it? When we weren't worthy of salvation before and could not work to save ourselves, how then after Christ and his passion is it that we are now able to labor to stay saved?
I agree. No, I found the gif on the net. Cats are characters aren't they?
that fizzy guy
Member
Yeah I know what you mean,though unfortunately I still have yet to have an opportunity to give the idea a try,my bond has always been with kids,(kids from 5 to about 9 years old)they can get me cheerful immediately no matter how glum I might feel and get me wanting to talk silly and I feel passionately about standing up for kids both physically and spiritually,because I remember how messed up my child hood was and would like kids to have a better life than I had and be able to learn of the bible without all the forcive hell doctrine junk,because children shouldn't have to endure that,God attests for them until they are accountable of sin,and shouldn't be subjected to evilness.
that fizzy guy
Member
Well God doesn't allow such a thing,if you read in the bible Jonah ran from God refusing to give God's message to ninevah but God wouldn't allow him to leave without finishing the task,when you are God's he chastens you and you are in his hand,when he calls,you answer,and if you refuse he will be sure to have you do it eventually,try as you might as Jonah did,it's the same with salvation,accepting salvation effectively means that you are telling God you will serve God/Jesus forever,I don't know where people get the idea that you can sit around without God chastening you for disobeying,it wouldn't matter if you took a whole day off from talking about the bible or speaking of God,God will be waiting patiently and ready to send you out,though you may "Try"to stall,that's what it is to have salvation and the holy spirit,you will speak for God at some point,there is no "being lazy/idle" allowed.
A rest here and there but if anyone thinks they are God's and can be idle towards God for even a week they are mistaken,God knows how to "get your attention" and how to "motivate you" to get back to work for him.
brujaq
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Good point .. And when we pray , sometimes in order to answer your prayer he must put you in real situations you didn't count on
ezra
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no sin will separate ? if luther wrote that he is way wrong
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whatgoeshere?
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What sin revokes God's grace from the redeemed in the hand of Christ?
ezra
Member
do we sin because we are under grace? paul covered that
that fizzy guy
Member
Yep often he may put you in a situation to talk to someone who you may not like very much or do something you normally wouldn't otherwise do,like speak in a large crowd when you don't like crowds,or speak boldly when you may be typically timid.
that fizzy guy
Member
Yeah the issue is that people may believe that they don't have to serve God and just believe that Jesus existed,we are saved only by Accepting Jesus as saviour but it isn't our end working for God it is our beginning,because it's tough enough just to "Believe wholly" concerning all Jesus did,but it's evident in what fruit we bring forth just if we were sincere with God/Jesus for example,say you declare to God that you believe in Jesus and want salvation but then thereafter you go and kill someone immediately,well that is a case of not being sincere and humble with God and using Jesus as a shield to justify an action,and therefore are not saved,for God finds it an abomination all who are quick to shed blood,there in lies the difference,A true believer would seek to help their neighbor instead of hurt them,where as a an unbeliever/pretender is only seeking Jesus in the hopes to do what they want and therefore though they acknowledge Jesus,they are not saved,just as legion in the bible those demons "feared" Jesus but did not Believe wholly upon him nor did they "seek to serve him" they merely begged for their live.
"Believe" is a word tossed around as something that is just "so easy" it isn't,John 3:15 and John 3:16 both state nearly the same thing,"Believe and have everlasting life" and people flock to them like a moth to a flame because they think that to "Believe" is just to acknowledge and claim Jesus,but it's not,It's about Loving God just as he loved us and accepted all Jesus did for us,not just act like that we all can go to heaven because of our denominations or ceremonies after all since when is God a respector to persons?
Jesus even made the law simpler and yet many people still don't grasp what he meant,he said "Love thy God with all thy heart,soul,mind,and strength" this is the greatest commandment and the second is like unto it"Love thy neighbor as yourself" upon these two hang all the commandments and prophets.
The underlieing point being,Do all you can for God whilst loving him and sharing that love with one another,yet even this people mess up,saying well I can love Jesus the man,or,I can do whatever ungodly thing I want so long as I "Say" I love God/Jesus,deluding themselves,You either are all for God and accept his son humbly,sincerely,and with love,or you are a liar and the truth isn't in you and are not saved to put things in a more simple manner.
Rajesh Sahu
2024 Supporter
Brilliantly stated wondering !
Many Churches like the easy "Salvation" doctrine of Martin Luther -- it helps them to skirt around obedience, and therefore they preach that . Few wish to pick up the their cross deny their flesh daily and follow the Lord Jesus, as He Himself commanded. That's the hard part. I love your observation. It truly captures the he soul of Christian faith and salvation . " I will do my BEST and Christ will do the REST .
It's the Lord's expectation from us brothers and sisters that we not only have REPENTANT FAITH in Jesus as Savior but also turn away from sinful demands of the flesh but instead DO THE WILL OF GOD. Christ always elected to do God's will
He expects us to do the same. The entire teaching of Christ rests on these words DO THE WILL OF GOD against your own will.
Rajesh Sahu
2024 Supporter
Excellently explained Fizz guy
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Very well said.
I often say that God cannot be mocked.
The way I hear some talk about being saved scares me, I do worry that their soul is in danger, although I can't know the state of their soul, only God knows.
I like to say that Jesus is not only our savior,
But also our Lord.