Comments by a journalist in a newspaper do not trump officially approved statements by the Catholic Church.
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Comments by a journalist in a newspaper do not trump officially approved statements by the Catholic Church.
Catholicism claims that's the case:
"Sunday is our mark of authority. The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact". - Catholic Record
"I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church." - T. Enright, C.S.S.R., Feb. 18,1884.
The catholic church views the Bible in the same way God-hating, leftist bureaucrats view the U.S. Constitution: they claim it is the ultimate authority in the land, but turn right around and claim it's a "living" document subject to their interpretation and modification, which renders them, not it, the ultimate authority, not matter what they claim.
Likewise, the official position of the catholic church is that "the Magisterium is not superior to the word of God, but its servant". How, then, can that be the case if the Magisterium is able to define, determine, and interpret the Scripture in the first place? Moreover, the Magisterium seems to “discover” doctrines that are not consistent with the original meaning of Scripture itself—e.g,, the immaculate conception, purgatory, papal infallibility and the like. Thus, despite these declarations from Rome, residual concerns remain about whether the Magisterium functionally has authority over the Scriptures.
In case you're interested, here's a short article of mine. I'm known for preaching the shortest sermons in my church, so I can promise that's the case. ;)
How God Proved The Bible Alone Is True And That All Other Religions Are Lying
If you're a new Christian, you should know that the question, "How do I know the Bible is true?" is often answered inadequately and, thus, needlessly invites skepticism: "Because God says it is". "Because my preacher says it is." "Because my father/mother/grandparent says it is." "Because when...
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Are you here for a serious conversation or just to kid around?
I asked you twice already, once on this thread, what YOUR denomination is.
You don't have to reply of course,
but the fact that you don't is pretty convincing of your reason to be here....
just to stir trouble.
Please do not flame.
It's difficult for me to write to you Phoneman.
I don't understand your position.
Are you a SDA?
Are you a reformed believer?
I'm a little confused about the Sabbath.
I'm told that the CC didn't change the Sabbath.
I'm not sure what this means since it seems to me that if the CC wants to say THEY are the first church,
then, by necessity, it was them that changed it.
I'm told that changing the worship day from Saturday to Sunday is NOT changing the Sabbath.
I don't quite get that.
However, even though I'm not Catholic, I can assure you that I do know Catholic doctrine and what they espouse.
I'm speaking to modern day Catholicism.
If you want to go back to the dark ages, then I don't get the reason for it and I'm not really willing to discuss, plus I probably agree with you about those days.
I can't say that I respect all of their positions. I think some are wrong and even damaging to some persons.
But I can also state emphatically, that Protestants get a lot wrong about the CC.
This bothers me as much as when Catholics get Protestantism wrong.
Please don't question the reputation of members on this site.
It is a very poor look for you.
Treat others with respect and dignity.
Thank you.
I think you and Mungo are addressing 2 different "problems".Can I remind you of the difference between fact and opinion?
I'm presenting facts - not opinions - and provided a quote from pope Innocent III himself. Facts in and of themselves are benign - neither negative or positive.
Also, here's a link to an earlier post detailing the same sentiments:
Was Bible possesion banned by the Catholic Church
The Catholic Church actually tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. Many try to deny it, or say there is no proof...www.christianforums.com
No TOS violations to be found in my posts, friend.
Mungo is discussing the TRANSLATION of the bible into native tongues.
You're discussing the prohibition of even owning a bible.
Funny thing is: You're both right.
But, gosh, let's not go back to Pope Innocent and the 1100's !!
We have enough problems for the day.
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Sunday was being worshipped as the Holy Day while the Apostles were still alive.
I said Holy Day because I'm not sure of the difference between CHANGING the Sabbath and ABOLISHING the Sabbath, as I've stated in my previous post to you. In fact, if you know the difference, I'd like you to pass it on.
So if the Apostles were worshipping on Sunday to honor the Lord's Resurrection,
how could the CC claim to have made the change?
Please do not interfere if I wish to give someone a friendly reminder/advice.
The above was not for you.
Interesting.
Wish I had more time.
Maybe if you bump this, I'll get to it tomorrow morning.
I saw someone picking on an innocent and I had to do what I had to do.
If you see a bully what is your response?
This is an open forum... You should be aware that anyone can respond to anything at anytime.
If you had a remark that was private... take it to a private chat.
This should be basic knowledge.
God is the source of authority.
But all through the Bible God gives authority to men to speak and act in his name.
Then please point our where in this thread you gave a quote from a Pope - the name and document.
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