What does it mean to be born again?

[Terral]

Today We Are "Created IN Christ" A "New Creat

Hi Mutzrein:

Thank you for writing.

Mutzrein >> A question for you though Terral coz I need to take things in small chunks. Easier for me to digest. Do you believe you have been born again?

No sir. That is quite impossible, because nobody has been saved through the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ for almost 2000 Years. That point appears to be flying over your head. The salvation process today is through obedience to the gospel that Christ died for our sins and that God raised Him from the dead (Romans 10:9) on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Has Christ died for anyone in John 3? No.

That ‘born again’ teaching has EVERYTHING to do with the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ (Matthew 4:23, Matthew 9:35, etc.). Those kingdom disciples became ‘born from above’ the instant they received the “gift of the Holy Spirit†(Acts 2:38) through the laying of hands (Acts 8:17, Acts 19:6). That is what ‘preaching the kingdom’ (Acts 20:25) was all about.

We do not receive the Spirit of God that way today, as we receive Him by ‘hearing with faith’ (Galatians 3:2). We are "created IN Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:10) as a totally “NEW CREATION†(Galatians 6:15). Something totally NEW cannot be born AGAIN.

Kingdom doctrine for Israel of the flesh (Matthew 15:24) and the 'bride' (John 3:29) says that kingdom disciples are born in water by John’s Baptism (Acts 19:3) AND THEN ‘born again’ by the laying of hands for the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:17, Acts 19:6). Grace doctrine for the ‘body of Christ’ (Ephesians 4:12) from Paul says we are ‘crucified with Christ’ (Galatians 2:20) to be raised with Him (Colossians 3:1) and seated in the heavenly place “IN†Christ Jesus (Ephesians 2:6-7) as something totally NEW (CREATED ¢â‚¬Å“IN†Christ = Ephesians 2:10). I apologize, but I do not know any simpler terms to show you the differences.

Thank you again for writing,

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[mutzrein]

Oh I see. Well, maybe to you it is impossible - but for me the impossible has happened. Whichever way I look at it, it's a miracle.

A question though out of academic interest. At what point do you say the 'gospel of the kingdom' ceased?

Thanks

 

[Terral]

Gospel Of The Kingdom = Born Again. We Are = "New Creat

Hi Mutzrein:

Thank you for writing, but please do me a big favor in the future. If you post is directed at me, then please ‘quote >>’ something from the post above to give your words context and place my name atop your reply.

Mutzrein >> Oh I see. Well, maybe to you it is impossible - but for me the impossible has happened. Whichever way I look at it, it's a miracle. A question though out of academic interest. At what point do you say the 'gospel of the kingdom' ceased?

You must be making a reference to the only time I used the term “impossible†here, saying,

Terral Original >> How is Nicodemus going to climb inside of Jesus Christ in John 3 in order for new things to come? That is quite impossible. The simple fact everyone appears willing to ignore is that Christ is preaching the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ (Matthew 4:23, etc.) in the Four Gospels, which includes multiple baptisms for receiving the Holy Spirit to then be “born from above.†Christ is not teaching Nicodemus anything related to His death, burial and resurrection in John 3, or Satan would have known also and never crucified the Lord of Glory (1 Corinthians 2:6-8).

While you honestly believe this ‘born again’ process has taken place for you, nobody has been saved through the ONLY GOSPEL of the Four Gospels for almost 2000 Years. People take this phrase “born again†and insert that into the Pauline Epistles, when in truth Paul is teaching something else entirely. Since that “new creation†(Galatians 6:15) aspect that we have been “created IN Christ Jesus†(Ephesians 2:10) has already been presented above, then we shall not rehash that again. The Gospel of the Kingdom ceased to have power, then the early rains (James 5:7) kingdom ‘bride’ (John 3:29) was “cut off†(Revelation 20:4) with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. That is the ‘tribulation’ John is talking about in Revelation 1:9, as the kingdom church was persecuted and driven out of existence. The Holy Spirit baton had passed from John the Baptist to Christ (Matthew 3:15-16) in the Jordan River and from Christ to the Twelve (Helper = John 16:7) on the Day of Pentecost. However, God uses the example of Steven’s (name = Crown) stoning in Acts 6-7 to demonstrate the ‘beginning of the end’ for the “Gospel of the Kingdom,†as Israel was killing him with their own hands.

Paul (as Saul) enters the scene at that very site (Acts 7:58) and God set the wheels into motion for our “dispensation of God’s grace†(Ephesians 3:2) to come into existence through his ministry to the Gentiles (Galatians 1:15-17). “Christ in You†is according to this “mystery among the Gentiles†(Colossians 1:27), which has nothing whatsoever to do with the “gospel of the kingdom.†Paul was sent through a ‘revelation’ to go and submit the “gospel I preach among the Gentiles†(Galatians 2:2) to the same disciples preaching the “Gospel of the Kingdom†for years and years (Peter and John = Galatians 2:9). You are confusing the gospel OF WATER that Israel REJECTED with Paul’s “my gospel†(Romans 16:25) of BLOOD (Christ came in both! = 1 John 5:6) that is ‘according to the revelation of the mystery.’ Romans 16:25. I describe the differences here: http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=20385 . Please question me on anything from the Opening Post on that thread. Anything ââÅ“created IN Christ Jesus†is something totally NEW and a “New Creation.†Galatians 6:15. That simple fact tells you that we are NOT born AGAIN today through Paul's 'word of the cross' (1 Corinthians 1:18) gospel message.

In Christ Jesus through Paul’s Gospel,

Terral

 

[Solo]

Unless one is born from above, one cannot see or enter the kingdom of heaven. To deny this truth, shows that deception has succeeded, and that the father of lies has duped another.

Jesus came to teach the truth of the gospel, and if another gospel is preached other than this, it is a lie.

 

[John the Baptist]

Unless one is born from above, one cannot see or enter the kingdom of heaven. To deny this truth, shows that deception has succeeded, and that the father of lies has duped another.

Jesus came to teach the truth of the gospel, and if another gospel is preached other than this, it is a lie.

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One might disagree with a 'post' of ours on many subjects? Yet this post is a 'first requirement' to the Godheads Covenant once sin came by way of mankind, otherwise religion is [all] legalism.

Christ tell's mankind, "If ye LOVE ME keep My Commandments." Only a Born Again Believer 'desire's' to do this! Again Genesis 4:7's K.J.

These alone have been recreated with [this Born Again Agape 'First Birth' Love that Adam was created with!] Hebrews 10:15-16.

---John

 

[mutzrein]

Unless one is born from above, one cannot see or enter the kingdom of heaven. To deny this truth, shows that deception has succeeded, and that the father of lies has duped another.

Jesus came to teach the truth of the gospel, and if another gospel is preached other than this, it is a lie.

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One might disagree with a 'post' of ours on many subjects? Yet this post is a 'first requirement' to the Godheads Covenant once sin came by way of mankind, otherwise religion is [all] legalism.



---John

John - when you refer to "'post' of ours" who are you referring to?

thanks

 

[Geo]

Let me quote Ron McGatlin:

Religion has made a mockery of being "born again". Those who are truly spiritually
born again have a totally new and different life. Natural birth was from the corruptible
seed of the first Adam. Spiritual birth is from the incorruptible seed of Christ through
the living Word of God. A mature spiritually born again soul is purified by the Spirit
of Christ into pure love.

Many people who believed they were "born again" when they joined a church or prayed
a prayer or completed some other religious form but have continued living a self focused
life are seeing their need for more. Some are now being truly born again into a life of
spiritual intimate oneness with God in the Holy Spirit. These are the ones who can see
the New Jerusalem kingdom of God potential and are moving toward it with strength
and abandonment of all else.

Repentance is a life of leaving the past and pressing on toward the goal of the high
calling to become one with God. And to intimately know Him and be intimately
known of Him - to be really born into the God family as mature sons of God - to be
in the world as Christ is in the world.

The love of Christ compels us to follow Him and take up our cross of repentance from
dead works including dead religion. Christ died for all and rose again, that those who
live should no longer live for themselves but instead the resurrected Christ should live
within them.

Repentance and death to self-will and self desires is a process. Being born again is a
process of repentance or death that leads to life. We daily meet the cross of death
(repentance) and daily participate in the resurrection life of Christ. In this process sin
is fully dealt with and has no reign over us and no part in our inner lives. Lust and pride
are destroyed in the continuing process of repentance (death) and the continuing
experience of new birth (resurrection).