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Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.To me, it means to be stubborn.What does stiff necked mean?
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Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.To me, it means to be stubborn.What does stiff necked mean?
Yes I can see now after coming to Christ and through instruction by the Holy Spirit, that the goodness in us was there from the beginning by virtue of being created by the Creator. That which we call Love is His Spirit in us.Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.To me, it means to be stubborn.What does stiff necked mean?
Yes you are right, I do view the law that way. And yes the law does teach that we should love.with what translation does the word say empower? the WAY YOU VIEW the law is like a legal code. it has that too it. but tell me. why did God in the law(remember any command of moses is a law!) to leave the edges of the fields for the poor? is that not a though shall love thy poor?Yes I understand why you would say this. But why does Paul say the law empowers sin so as to cause sin to abound? Don't you think that's an important thing to know? As you say, Sheesh.I wouldn't say empowers. rather defines it.
Yes I can see now after coming to Christ and through instruction by the Holy Spirit, that the goodness in us was there from the beginning by virtue of being created by the Creator. That which we call Love is His Spirit in us.Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.To me, it means to be stubborn.What does stiff necked mean?
But please try and understand, that I was raised Catholic and we were told to love one another, but were not told that Love was God in us. To me, that was the major revelation by the Holy Spirit that changed my life. For it was the means by which I was able to esteem God as God. Genesis does not say to honor God as the Love within you, that I can recall. This is so important to me. The difference bewteen then and now is a complete reversal. Before when I thought I was to try and be good, when I would be good, it was like I thought god was saying "thank you" to me, and me saying "your welcome". Now when I do good, I say to Him, "Thank you", and He says, "Your welcome". Do you see the difference?
Yes I can see now after coming to Christ and through instruction by the Holy Spirit, that the goodness in us was there from the beginning by virtue of being created by the Creator. That which we call Love is His Spirit in us.Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.
But please try and understand, that I was raised Catholic and we were told to love one another, but were not told that Love was God in us. To me, that was the major revelation by the Holy Spirit that changed my life. For it was the means by which I was able to esteem God as God. Genesis does not say to honor God as the Love within you, that I can recall. This is so important to me. The difference bewteen then and now is a complete reversal. Before when I thought I was to try and be good, when I would be good, it was like I thought god was saying "thank you" to me, and me saying "your welcome". Now when I do good, I say to Him, "Thank you", and He says, "Your welcome". Do you see the difference?
Wow Childeye! very deep and very simple.
We love Him, because He first loved us.
What a wonderful law that any Christian can keep if they choose? To love others based upon the knowledge of Gods love for us. To love with His love.
This is the law! I cannot understand how those who say they seek to keep the law and how concerned they are that others keep the law, do not promote its simple fulfillment in love?
I wonder, why legalism is so tempting to some?
Is the "tempter" at work? I am sure he is.
2 Cor 11:3
I have a question for those that hold to the fact that torah doesn't teach. if I have a child(see the avatar) and love her. DO not I set rules for her, tell her no when she does something bad for her. demonstrate love for her by giving to her and also correction?
if yes then that is what the torah is for.otherwise, lets just pray to jesus and not read bible. somehow God will just transform us to his will. yet paul says the bible(in his day it was the tanach) is for correction.
Nobody in this thread has stated the Torah doesn't teach.
Those are your words.
You are mixing together the Laws of Gods kingdom, which are Eternal, together with the Law of Moses.
Laws, commandments, rules, precepts... do not have their origin in the Law of Moses.
They come from God and were here from the beginning.
It started for us with -
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying,
"Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Genesis 2:16
Thus the Law of sin and death was introduced.
As you can see, this did not begin with the law of Moses.
A commandment is something God tells you to do.
Which is not necessarily one of the 10 commandments, for God spoke of Abraham, who by the way was a Gentile, in this manner 430 years before the Law of Moses -
because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." Genesis 26:5
JLB
Good post, JLB. Just because something is in the Mosaic Law doesn't mean it originated there. Some laws precede the Mosaic Law - and so if we say that the Mosaic Law has fallen away, it doesn't mean that the Decalogue has. The Mosaic Law was just reiterating what has already been given to mankind in general - thou shall not kill. It has been incorporated into the New Law of Christ, to an even more strict degree.
Regards
It is going to take a time of Grace to get parallelism / lateral thinking going. I Corinthians 15 has a lot of animal symbolism. There is a good chance that a wasp (?) and its venom (sting) will be an accepted way to see throught the sting of death (and thus the power issue). Romans 1:19-20 always gives me hope in unwinding what is going on.
eddif
It is going to take a time of Grace to get parallelism / lateral thinking going. I Corinthians 15 has a lot of animal symbolism. There is a good chance that a wasp (?) and its venom (sting) will be an accepted way to see throught the sting of death (and thus the power issue). Romans 1:19-20 always gives me hope in unwinding what is going on.
eddif
Time till Grace: from post 391 till today. I do not normally listen to pastor Rogers on tv, but this morning I did.
Of course I was interested in his using the bumblebee stinger in his sermon. I was half asleep, but I suppose it was three children (?) and a bumblebee sting. One little brother was stung, the second little sister was crying because the bumblebee was still buzzing around, but the third child (?) said not to worry: the stinger is in little brother and the bumblebee can not sting you.
Jesus bore our sins in his body on the cross.
I Corinthians 15:55
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The stinger is in Jesus Christ.
There that Mississippi feller goes again talking about symbols. You would think he would give it a rest. LOL. I suppose there are others out there that use symbolism to know the things of God.
Romans 1:19-20
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Curse of the Law
Galatians 3:13
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Use the Law lawfully.
Ephesians 2:14
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
eddif
Yes I can see now after coming to Christ and through instruction by the Holy Spirit, that the goodness in us was there from the beginning by virtue of being created by the Creator. That which we call Love is His Spirit in us.Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.
But please try and understand, that I was raised Catholic and we were told to love one another, but were not told that Love was God in us. To me, that was the major revelation by the Holy Spirit that changed my life. For it was the means by which I was able to esteem God as God. Genesis does not say to honor God as the Love within you, that I can recall. This is so important to me. The difference bewteen then and now is a complete reversal. Before when I thought I was to try and be good, when I would be good, it was like I thought god was saying "thank you" to me, and me saying "your welcome". Now when I do good, I say to Him, "Thank you", and He says, "Your welcome". Do you see the difference?
Wow Childeye! very deep and very simple.
We love Him, because He first loved us.
What a wonderful law that any Christian can keep if they choose? To love others based upon the knowledge of Gods love for us. To love with His love.
This is the law! I cannot understand how those who say they seek to keep the law and how concerned they are that others keep the law, do not promote its simple fulfillment in love?
I wonder, why legalism is so tempting to some?
Is the "tempter" at work? I am sure he is.
2 Cor 11:3
I'm just giving some honest testimony Mitspa. It is quite simple, but it is huge and Glorius to me. The foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of men. Oh how so true are those words. Obviously, you know how it is with the temptor\accuser and the foundations of his vanity. Perfect scripture you have provided, Praise be to God. I just hope it will help us all come to a oneness in the body.
It's funny, you wanted me to recite what you had written, and I responded with a prayer that spoke to the heart of what you were asking. However, that wasn't good enough, you wanted me to say what you had said word for word because what I had written wasn't good enough. So I ask you, who is the one being legalistic here?Yes I can see now after coming to Christ and through instruction by the Holy Spirit, that the goodness in us was there from the beginning by virtue of being created by the Creator. That which we call Love is His Spirit in us.Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.To me, it means to be stubborn.What does stiff necked mean?
But please try and understand, that I was raised Catholic and we were told to love one another, but were not told that Love was God in us. To me, that was the major revelation by the Holy Spirit that changed my life. For it was the means by which I was able to esteem God as God. Genesis does not say to honor God as the Love within you, that I can recall. This is so important to me. The difference bewteen then and now is a complete reversal. Before when I thought I was to try and be good, when I would be good, it was like I thought god was saying "thank you" to me, and me saying "your welcome". Now when I do good, I say to Him, "Thank you", and He says, "Your welcome". Do you see the difference?
Thank you so very much for your cooperation in this experiment. An explanation is coming, but first I would ask you this: Are there any prayers or writings in the Torah that say that God is our Spiritual goodness?Thank You to our Father for His Spirit of Love that is our only goodness.
Curious, what test am I passing, or failing? :biglol
It's funny, you wanted me to recite what you had written, and I responded with a prayer that spoke to the heart of what you were asking. However, that wasn't good enough, you wanted me to say what you had said word for word because what I had written wasn't good enough. So I ask you, who is the one being legalistic here?Yes I can see now after coming to Christ and through instruction by the Holy Spirit, that the goodness in us was there from the beginning by virtue of being created by the Creator. That which we call Love is His Spirit in us.Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.
But please try and understand, that I was raised Catholic and we were told to love one another, but were not told that Love was God in us. To me, that was the major revelation by the Holy Spirit that changed my life. For it was the means by which I was able to esteem God as God. Genesis does not say to honor God as the Love within you, that I can recall. This is so important to me. The difference bewteen then and now is a complete reversal. Before when I thought I was to try and be good, when I would be good, it was like I thought god was saying "thank you" to me, and me saying "your welcome". Now when I do good, I say to Him, "Thank you", and He says, "Your welcome". Do you see the difference?
Why do people like me study, follow and incorporate Torah into our lives? Is Torah not the Word of God?
Is Jesus not the Torah made flesh as stated in John 1?
Did Jesus not lead a sinless life according to his Word and Torah?
Could Jesus contradict his own Word and preach another Gospel?
Could he preach against or change his Word? Malachi 3:6
Could Jesus preach obedience to himself and ignore the instructions from the Torah? John 10:30
Could Jesus contradict the Father?
I hope this stirs up some thought.
It's funny, you wanted me to recite what you had written, and I responded with a prayer that spoke to the heart of what you were asking. However, that wasn't good enough, you wanted me to say what you had said word for word because what I had written wasn't good enough. So I ask you, who is the one being legalistic here?Yes I can see now after coming to Christ and through instruction by the Holy Spirit, that the goodness in us was there from the beginning by virtue of being created by the Creator. That which we call Love is His Spirit in us.Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.
But please try and understand, that I was raised Catholic and we were told to love one another, but were not told that Love was God in us. To me, that was the major revelation by the Holy Spirit that changed my life. For it was the means by which I was able to esteem God as God. Genesis does not say to honor God as the Love within you, that I can recall. This is so important to me. The difference bewteen then and now is a complete reversal. Before when I thought I was to try and be good, when I would be good, it was like I thought god was saying "thank you" to me, and me saying "your welcome". Now when I do good, I say to Him, "Thank you", and He says, "Your welcome". Do you see the difference?
Why do people like me study, follow and incorporate Torah into our lives? Is Torah not the Word of God?
Is Jesus not the Torah made flesh as stated in John 1?
Did Jesus not lead a sinless life according to his Word and Torah?
Could Jesus contradict his own Word and preach another Gospel?
Could he preach against or change his Word? Malachi 3:6
Could Jesus preach obedience to himself and ignore the instructions from the Torah? John 10:30
Could Jesus contradict the Father?
I hope this stirs up some thought.
And does the New Covenant annul previous covenants?It's funny, you wanted me to recite what you had written, and I responded with a prayer that spoke to the heart of what you were asking. However, that wasn't good enough, you wanted me to say what you had said word for word because what I had written wasn't good enough. So I ask you, who is the one being legalistic here?Yes I can see now after coming to Christ and through instruction by the Holy Spirit, that the goodness in us was there from the beginning by virtue of being created by the Creator. That which we call Love is His Spirit in us.Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.
But please try and understand, that I was raised Catholic and we were told to love one another, but were not told that Love was God in us. To me, that was the major revelation by the Holy Spirit that changed my life. For it was the means by which I was able to esteem God as God. Genesis does not say to honor God as the Love within you, that I can recall. This is so important to me. The difference bewteen then and now is a complete reversal. Before when I thought I was to try and be good, when I would be good, it was like I thought god was saying "thank you" to me, and me saying "your welcome". Now when I do good, I say to Him, "Thank you", and He says, "Your welcome". Do you see the difference?
Why do people like me study, follow and incorporate Torah into our lives? Is Torah not the Word of God?
Is Jesus not the Torah made flesh as stated in John 1?
Did Jesus not lead a sinless life according to his Word and Torah?
Could Jesus contradict his own Word and preach another Gospel?
Could he preach against or change his Word? Malachi 3:6
Could Jesus preach obedience to himself and ignore the instructions from the Torah? John 10:30
Could Jesus contradict the Father?
I hope this stirs up some thought.
'...we are come ... unto Jesus, the Mediator of the new covenant...' Hebrews 12.24
And does the New Covenant annul previous covenants?
(Insert the necessary verse from Hebrews to say it has)
And does the New Covenant annul previous covenants?
(Insert the necessary verse from Hebrews to say it has)
Hebrews 7.18-19
And does the New Covenant annul previous covenants?
(Insert the necessary verse from Hebrews to say it has)
Hebrews 7.18-19
And does the New Covenant annul previous covenants?
(Insert the necessary verse from Hebrews to say it has)
Hebrews 7.18-19
Show me where one is not to have sex with animals in the New Covenant please.
Indeed it does stir up thought. You are right, to me it wasn't good enough as in, it did not say what I had asked. I meant no offense and apologized beforehand with all humility and a sincere respect.It's funny, you wanted me to recite what you had written, and I responded with a prayer that spoke to the heart of what you were asking. However, that wasn't good enough, you wanted me to say what you had said word for word because what I had written wasn't good enough. So I ask you, who is the one being legalistic here?Yes I can see now after coming to Christ and through instruction by the Holy Spirit, that the goodness in us was there from the beginning by virtue of being created by the Creator. That which we call Love is His Spirit in us.Disregard that. It's not my response. There was always a Spirit of God in the Torah. Think Genesis 1.
But please try and understand, that I was raised Catholic and we were told to love one another, but were not told that Love was God in us. To me, that was the major revelation by the Holy Spirit that changed my life. For it was the means by which I was able to esteem God as God. Genesis does not say to honor God as the Love within you, that I can recall. This is so important to me. The difference bewteen then and now is a complete reversal. Before when I thought I was to try and be good, when I would be good, it was like I thought god was saying "thank you" to me, and me saying "your welcome". Now when I do good, I say to Him, "Thank you", and He says, "Your welcome". Do you see the difference?
Why do people like me study, follow and incorporate Torah into our lives? Is Torah not the Word of God?
Is Jesus not the Torah made flesh as stated in John 1?
Did Jesus not lead a sinless life according to his Word and Torah?
Could Jesus contradict his own Word and preach another Gospel?
Could he preach against or change his Word? Malachi 3:6
Could Jesus preach obedience to himself and ignore the instructions from the Torah? John 10:30
Could Jesus contradict the Father?
I hope this stirs up some thought.