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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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Where are the miracles?
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GodsGrace
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Great.
Like, where do you meet to worship God?
daninthelionsden
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I have no idea of their celibacy. I was 18 yrs old. We only went there one time to see Joe Donato. I saw him once more at a small non-denominational house-church about a year later where a friend was healed. Though the guy was shocked at being healed, he never gave his life to Christ.
Wow, who is teaching you these false doctrines. What do these scriptures have to do with the Baptism of Christ? What is the religion or the name of your church that is teaching you? Please show us in scripture where it says, even today 2021, that we are to be baptized in the Jordon River or we re not saved? I'm sorry my friend, but all you say comes against scripture.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
There are around 1526 instances of living water in the Bible. Here are some verses on living water being the word. John 4:4-26; 7:37-39; 12:44-50; Ephesians 5:26; 1 John 5:5-8; Jeremiah 17:13; Zechariah 14:8, 9; Rev 21:6-8; Ezekiel 47:22
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
There are no possibilities, but only facts within the teachings of Christ as He made everything He taught very clear. No, I will not accept anything that mans doctrines teaches. I feel it is you that is blinded to truth by whatever your pastor is teaching you. Baptism is nowhere found in John 3:5-7, but many try to add it saying it is there.
That's another way of looking at it. John the baptist said he must decrease and Christ increase. I can't find one place in the conversation Jesus had with Nicodemus that He told him to go to the Jordon River to be immersed in water. In fact, I can't find anywhere that Jesus ever baptized anyone in water, other than possibly some of his disciples, or even told them if they did not get baptized in the Jordon River they would not be saved.
John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
John 4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
There is nothing wrong with being baptized by full immersion in water, but like John's baptism it was only an outward appearance to others that you have prepared yourself to receive God's salvation through through faith that is Christ Jesus.
I would like to say, even though it seems like we have left the point of the OP, we really haven't. All things being discussed is about our salvation, our personal relationship with Christ through the Spiritual rebirth from above as with God all things of His goodness are possible if we would only have the faith to believe that He knows what is best for us.
If we haven't completely surrendered our self to the Lord then that means we are still walking and seeing things in the flesh. I'm reminded of a true story I heard the other day. There was an elderly lady who came with her daughter to a healing service. She was totally blind and mostly bedridden being sickly. The Pastor called out someone that was blind and sick and she came forward as knowing he called her out specifically. He laid hands on her, but she did not receive her sight right then and there. The Pastor told her to go from the meeting praising and thanking God for her healing even though she could not see. So, she did what he told her as she lifted up holy hands unto the Lord praising His name the whole way home and never stopped until she fell asleep that night. Her daughter didn't believe she would ever receive a healing since she wasn't healed right there on the spot that night. The daughter always fixed her mothers meals for her and she was awaken by the sound of kitchen noises. She got up and went to the kitchen and in her amazement there stood her mother cooking breakfast, no longer blind singing praises to the Lord. That morning the daughter surrendered her life to the Lord by the miracle her mother received.
The moral of this true story is if we are not lifting up holy hands praising the Lord for things we can not see, yet hope for, then we are should not expect to receive anything from Him.
If we haven't completely surrendered our self to the Lord then that means we are still walking and seeing things in the flesh. I'm reminded of a true story I heard the other day. There was an elderly lady who came with her daughter to a healing service. She was totally blind and mostly bedridden being sickly. The Pastor called out someone that was blind and sick and she came forward as knowing he called her out specifically. He laid hands on her, but she did not receive her sight right then and there. The Pastor told her to go from the meeting praising and thanking God for her healing even though she could not see. So, she did what he told her as she lifted up holy hands unto the Lord praising His name the whole way home and never stopped until she fell asleep that night. Her daughter didn't believe she would ever receive a healing since she wasn't healed right there on the spot that night. The daughter always fixed her mothers meals for her and she was awaken by the sound of kitchen noises. She got up and went to the kitchen and in her amazement there stood her mother cooking breakfast, no longer blind singing praises to the Lord. That morning the daughter surrendered her life to the Lord by the miracle her mother received.
The moral of this true story is if we are not lifting up holy hands praising the Lord for things we can not see, yet hope for, then we are should not expect to receive anything from Him.
You still have not described the 'fake gospel' or the 'true gospel'. So, please do.
You can rephrase my question all you want, but that doesn't answer my question. Do you equate discipleship with being born-again?
Quantrill
Elihoenai
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John 4:24 King James Version
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Yeshua/Jesus teaches about worship in John 4.
Elihoenai
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Are you saying that Joe Donato had healing power?
Elihoenai
Member
1 John 2:27 King James Version
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Apparently, from your perspective what we are teaching appears to be false doctrine.
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Sure.
But, as I see human nature being what it is,,,I'd have to say that to require a group to stay together, they need a place to meet.
I have no further questions.
I wish you all the best.
Elihoenai
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Luke 1:4 King James Version
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
There is absolute certainty of the teachings of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ among his True Disciples. You have to escape the tradition of the elders.
Elihoenai
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Psalm 1:2 King James Version
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
We don't spoon feed, as we are making Real Disciples. Meditate on the Scriptures continually and painstakingly.
Elihoenai
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Matthew 22:44 King James Version
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Following Yeshua/Jesus destroys that nature.
Questions much appreciated and God/Elohim put all enemies under his feet.
daninthelionsden
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No one I have ever known has/had healing power. God has healing power and God chose to heal some people through Joe. Joe said he never knew who would be healed until right when it happened and never knew why some who seemed to have great faith were not healed nor why some with seemingly little to no faith were healed. Joe was extraordinary and just a regular guy at the same time. He had success/failure before his ministry, during his ministry and after his ministry. I talked to him decades after my healing. I found him to be one of the most honest/open people I've ever met. He would easily share his faults and failures and his successes. He shared his thoughts ,dreams and visions along with his experiences. I saw no special spiritual formula. I just saw a man doing his best to obey.
No one has healing power on their own, but we are the vessel God works through as He sends healing power through our hands when we lay hands on others for healing. There is nothing we can do of our self.
Well since it does not line up with scripture then yes it is false doctrines taught by man as their is no anointing of the Holy Spirit in false doctrines.
If one reads scripture and sees only a possible understanding then there is no truth gained as the Spirit of God is lacking in their understanding.
Now you are contradicting yourself as you said there are possibilities of what is taught by Christ and now saying there is absolute certainty. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. If we are not teaching others in the absolute of what the Holy Spirit teaches then we are teaching a false gospel.
Again, show us scripture where it says if we are not immersed in the Jordon River then we are not saved. Why do you evade our questions to you.
I have no elders, but only the Father, Son Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit.