Where are the miracles?

[Quantrill]

Psalm 1:2 King James Version

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

We don't spoon feed, as we are making Real Disciples. Meditate on the Scriptures continually and painstakingly.

You can't explain what you call the 'fake gospel'. You can't explain what you call the 'true gospel'. Or you won't. I lean toward the latter reason.

You may be making disciples, but disciples of who and what?

Due to your refusal to answer questions brought before you, I sense there is a certain deception involved. Do your disciples like kool-aid?

Quantrill

 

[GodsGrace]

No one I have ever known has/had healing power. God has healing power and God chose to heal some people through Joe. Joe said he never knew who would be healed until right when it happened and never knew why some who seemed to have great faith were not healed nor why some with seemingly little to no faith were healed. Joe was extraordinary and just a regular guy at the same time. He had success/failure before his ministry, during his ministry and after his ministry. I talked to him decades after my healing. I found him to be one of the most honest/open people I've ever met. He would easily share his faults and failures and his successes. He shared his thoughts ,dreams and visions along with his experiences. I saw no special spiritual formula. I just saw a man doing his best to obey.

Hi Dan,
My grandfather healed one particular malady, but I won't know what it's called.
I have two aunts (his daughters)....he said one could learn how (the saved one) but not the other one.
My aunt felt she didn't want to and never "learned" how. She has always been a very spiritual person
but has passed away now to be with our Lord.

Back in the 80's the CC had healing masses. I really enjoyed them...one of the priests was Fr. Kelleher (I think).
Some healings were reported...not a lot. For some reason the CC stopped having these masses...I don't know why.

As I've said many times in these discussions, the CC has investigated healings at Lourdes and has confirmed about 70...
so we know these are healings and not spontaneous remissions, which do also happen.

I find that those that tend to do this as a ministry are very humble persons.

 

[GodsGrace]

for_his_glory, You are saying that you are not prepared to accept the possibility that John 3 is teaching about Baptism. Is that correct? If yes, It could be that you are blind.

Amen!! We heed the warnings of Elohim/God to not add or take away from his word.

Deuteronomy 4:2 King James Version

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

There are two general theological beliefs about John 3:5 and being born by water.

1. The water is baptism. One must be baptised for the remission of sins and then one also has to activate the Holy Spirit within himself by becoming a disciple of Christ.

2. The water is the natural water of childbirth. This refers to verse 6 when Jesus says that what is born of the spirit is spirit and what is born of the flesh is flesh. Also, it refers to what Nicodemus asked Jesus: How can a man enter a second time into his mother's womb?

I tend to agree with number two because of the question by Nicodemus and because of Jesus' statement in verse 6.

I did notice in another post of your that you believe we must be baptized in the Jordon River.

This cannot be correct.

When Jesus gave the command for the Apostles to go into all the world and teach and baptize in
Matthew 28:19 it was impossible for others in different regions to make the trip to Israel.
Jesus would never give a command contradicting the Covenant made with Abraham.....
that he would be the father of many nations.

John 3:3-6
3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?”
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


Matthew 28:19
19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

 

[Elihoenai]

No one I have ever known has/had healing power. God has healing power and God chose to heal some people through Joe. Joe said he never knew who would be healed until right when it happened and never knew why some who seemed to have great faith were not healed nor why some with seemingly little to no faith were healed. Joe was extraordinary and just a regular guy at the same time. He had success/failure before his ministry, during his ministry and after his ministry. I talked to him decades after my healing. I found him to be one of the most honest/open people I've ever met. He would easily share his faults and failures and his successes. He shared his thoughts ,dreams and visions along with his experiences. I saw no special spiritual formula. I just saw a man doing his best to obey.

Revelation 13:14 King James Version

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


I have never known any person to be a real vessel of Elohim's/God's healing power. The world is full of Fake Healers and Charlatans.

What was the evangelist teachings on the core doctrines of Christianity? What was his teachings on Sin?

 

[Elihoenai]

No one has healing power on their own, but we are the vessel God works through as He sends healing power through our hands when we lay hands on others for healing. There is nothing we can do of our self.

Acts 20:29-30 King James Version

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.


There is a way to receive Elohim's/God's Real Healing Power through his Son. Elohim's/God's Son is mispresented by an Enemy making False Claims.

 

[Elihoenai]

Well since it does not line up with scripture then yes it is false doctrines taught by man as their is no anointing of the Holy Spirit in false doctrines.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 King James Version

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


One man's false doctrine is another's truth. Men see what they want to see because they enjoy Evil.

 

[Elihoenai]

If one reads scripture and sees only a possible understanding then there is no truth gained as the Spirit of God is lacking in their understanding.

Proverbs 4:7 King James Version

7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

Pray for understanding.

 

[Elihoenai]

Now you are contradicting yourself as you said there are possibilities of what is taught by Christ and now saying there is absolute certainty. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. If we are not teaching others in the absolute of what the Holy Spirit teaches then we are teaching a false gospel.

Again, show us scripture where it says if we are not immersed in the Jordon River then we are not saved. Why do you evade our questions to you.

I have no elders, but only the Father, Son Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

No, that is not correct. The questions asked to you, for_his_glory: Are you prepared to accept the possibility that John 3 is teaching about Baptism? In other words, are you prepared to accept the possibility that you are in error?

We are not seeing what you are seeing.

 

[Elihoenai]

You can't explain what you call the 'fake gospel'. You can't explain what you call the 'true gospel'. Or you won't. I lean toward the latter reason.

You may be making disciples, but disciples of who and what?

Due to your refusal to answer questions brought before you, I sense there is a certain deception involved. Do your disciples like kool-aid?

Quantrill

Matthew 16:13 King James Version

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?


"You may be making disciples, but disciples of who and what?"

That question you asked is fundamental, fabulous and all-important.

WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?

Who and what are Disciples of Yeshua/Jesus? The Enemy is making false claims about the identity of Yeshua/Jesus and has done so for over 2000 years.

 

[Elihoenai]

There are two general theological beliefs about John 3:5 and being born by water.

1. The water is baptism. One must be baptised for the remission of sins and then one also has to activate the Holy Spirit within himself by becoming a disciple of Christ.

2. The water is the natural water of childbirth. This refers to verse 6 when Jesus says that what is born of the spirit is spirit and what is born of the flesh is flesh. Also, it refers to what Nicodemus asked Jesus: How can a man enter a second time into his mother's womb?

I tend to agree with number two because of the question by Nicodemus and because of Jesus' statement in verse 6.

I did notice in another post of your that you believe we must be baptized in the Jordon River.

This cannot be correct.

When Jesus gave the command for the Apostles to go into all the world and teach and baptize in
Matthew 28:19 it was impossible for others in different regions to make the trip to Israel.
Jesus would never give a command contradicting the Covenant made with Abraham.....
that he would be the father of many nations.

John 3:3-6
3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?”
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


Matthew 28:19
19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Psalm 92:5 King James Version

5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.

Your post lends to deep thinking on Scripture. Did John have/receive the Holy Spirit?

 

[Quantrill]

Matthew 16:13 King James Version

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?


"You may be making disciples, but disciples of who and what?"

That question you asked is fundamental, fabulous and all-important.

WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?

Who and what are Disciples of Yeshua/Jesus? The Enemy is making false claims about the identity of Yeshua/Jesus and has done so for over 2000 years.

I agree, the enemy has. But, what are those false claims? What is the fake gospel? What is the true gospel?

Quantrill

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

2 Corinthians 5:7​

For we walk by faith, NOT BY SIGHT.

Hebrews 11:1​

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of THINGS NOT SEEN.

2 Corinthians 4:18 ESV / 30 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

As we look not to the things that are seen but to the THINGS that are UNSEEN. For the things that are seen are transient, but the THINGS that are UNSEEN ARE ETERNALl.

Hebrews 11:27​

"..... for he endured as SEEING HIM WHO IS INVISIBLE."

Hebrews 11:6​

And without faith, it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must BELIEVE THAT HE EXISTS.

 

[GodsGrace]

Matthew 16:13 King James Version

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?


"You may be making disciples, but disciples of who and what?"

That question you asked is fundamental, fabulous and all-important.

WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?

Who and what are Disciples of Yeshua/Jesus? The Enemy is making false claims about the identity of Yeshua/Jesus and has done so for over 2000 years.

Are you a JW?
If so, you're welcome to post here.
But you will not be welcomed to state that Jesus is not God.
Please read the Statement of Faith.

 

[GodsGrace]

Psalm 92:5 King James Version

5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.

Your post lends to deep thinking on Scripture. Did John have/receive the Holy Spirit?

The Holy Spirit always existed, of course.
The difference is that in the N.T. we can be indwelt with the Holy Spirit...
This was not true in the O.T.
Jesus promised us the Holy Spirit as a true helper in
John 16:7
. 7“But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

Jesus calls the Holy Spirit THE HELPER.
The cross has made this change.

So John did not have the Holy Spirit as we understand it today.
But Jesus said he was the greatest of all prophets....he certainly
had the Holy Spirit.

How do YOU think this change has come about?
Do you think it HAS come about?
Do you only ask questions and never answer them?

 

[for_his_glory]

2 Timothy 4:3-4 King James Version

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


One man's false doctrine is another's truth. Men see what they want to see because they enjoy Evil.

You can use all the scripture you want, but none of it supports any fact of having to be baptized in the Jordon River. If you believe this then you would show us proof in the scriptures.

 

[for_his_glory]

Proverbs 4:7 King James Version

7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

Pray for understanding.

Yes, get wisdom and understanding from the Holy Spirit, not possibilities that only lead into a speculative word.

 

[for_his_glory]

No, that is not correct. The questions asked to you, for_his_glory: Are you prepared to accept the possibility that John 3 is teaching about Baptism? In other words, are you prepared to accept the possibility that you are in error?

We are not seeing what you are seeing.

I may be wrong about somethings and will admit it when I am, but will never accept any possibilities trying to read into the scripture words that are not there.

Sorry, but who is the "we" in your statement?

BTW, still waiting for the scripture about being immersed in the Jordon River in order to be saved.

 

[for_his_glory]

Acts 20:29-30 King James Version

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.


There is a way to receive Elohim's/God's Real Healing Power through his Son. Elohim's/God's Son is mispresented by an Enemy making False Claims.

Of course there are fakes that claim they are Christian as no one is denying that. This is why we are taught to Spiritual discern truth from error. I don't know who teaches you these false doctrines you are bringing in here as you will not even tell us who your associations are with that teach you.

 

[for_his_glory]

2 Timothy 4:3-4 King James Version

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


One man's false doctrine is another's truth. Men see what they want to see because they enjoy Evil.

How can a false doctrine be truth. It's only truth to those who have no truth and will believe a lie.

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 16:13 King James Version

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?


"You may be making disciples, but disciples of who and what?"

That question you asked is fundamental, fabulous and all-important.

WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?

Who and what are Disciples of Yeshua/Jesus? The Enemy is making false claims about the identity of Yeshua/Jesus and has done so for over 2000 years.

And the enemies of God will keep on making false claims about Christ until Christ returns and final judgement is made. We who are Spiritually born again, indwelled with the Holy Spirit through the baptism of Christ (not John the baptist) are instructed to watch out for the enemy so we are not seduced by the false doctrines that are being taught.

If God didn't say it then I do not believe what man says as there is only one doctrine and that is the doctrine of Christ. Disciples of Christ are those who have picked up their cross for the last 2000 years to follow in His footsteps taking the Gospel of God's grace out into the world.