Where are the miracles?

[for_his_glory]

Amen! There are billions that believe they are in the truth when actually Elohim/God has given them strong delusion that they should believe a lie.

Apparently you believe the lies you are taught when you say we will all go to the lake of fire if we are not baptized in the Jordon river in order to be saved.

 

[for_his_glory]

2 Timothy 3:13 King James Version

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Watch carefully for deceivers.

Even Satan can quote the word of God, but loves to twist it as he adds to and takes away blinding those who seek after his teachings of a false gospel.

 

[for_his_glory]

What Scripture are you referring to?

It's a personal question to you in what you think who is the great "I Am".

 

[GodsGrace]

Luke 1:13-15 King James Version

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.


Real change comes when the teachings of Yeshua/Jesus are truly followed. The Devil/Satan and Sin are utterly Conquered/Destroyed when you truly follow the teachings of Yeshua/Jesus. Yeshua/Jesus did John's Baptism and you must do likewise to be Real Disciple.

Oh...so you WERE speaking about John the Baptist then? (in your previous post).

So you're saying I must do John's baptism to be forgiven of sins?
When we are baptized,,,is it not in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
And didn't John say Jesus would baptize us with the Holy Spirit? (with Fire).

If you read the following, you'll see that we receive the Holy Spirit even before baptism.....

Acts 10:42-48
42“And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.
43“Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.”
44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
45All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
46For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
47“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”
48And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.


From the above we can learn:

1. Everyone who believes in Jesus receives the forgiveness of sins.
2. We receive the Holy Spirit upon believing.
3. Once we are saved we have the Holy Spirit.
4. Then we are baptized and are welcomed into the family of God and we show our fellowship.

 

[GodsGrace]

Isaiah 43:10-12 Young's Literal Translation

10 Ye [are] My witnesses, an affirmation of Jehovah, And My servant whom I have chosen, So that ye know and give credence to Me, And understand that I [am] He, Before Me there was no God formed, And after Me there is none.

11 I -- I [am] Jehovah, And besides Me there is no saviour.

12 I -- I declared, and saved, and proclaimed, And there is no stranger with you, And ye [are] My witnesses, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I [am] God.


We are outcast from the denominational and non-denominations Churches. We totally reject Catholicism and Protestantism.

Apparently, the Jehovah Witness denomination does not consider themselves Protestant and disagree with teachings of Roman Catholic Church. From what we have learnt of the JW denomination they are not Real Yahweh/Jehovah Witnesses.

This is true...
besides God there is no savior.
God is our Savior.

The problem with Jesus is this:
Jesus was a liar.
Jesus was a crazy man.
OR
Jesus was, in how you want to understand it,
the SON OF GOD.

You might understand the Trinity or you might not.
You might understand that Jesus was a prophet or an Enlightened One.

The problem is that Jesus leaves us no room to believe either of those two ideas,
for the reason I stated above.

There have been other Enlightened Ones,,,,
but they were different and did not even claim to be the Son of God.

 

[Quantrill]

These are great questions that we must diligently find answers for. The Real Yeshua/Jesus provides answers.

But you don't. Why not?

Quantrill

 

[Elihoenai]

If you want to be immersed in polluted water that is hazardous to your health then by all means if that is what you think is going to save you, but Ephesians 2:8 disagrees with your teaching one must be saved being immersed in the Jordon River.


Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Why do you dispute this?

Matthew 4:19 King James Version

19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.


for_his_glory, You are the one disputing Yeshua/Jesus example to do John's Baptism.

We are in total agreement with everything in Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

Baptism - Jordan River Israel Tour

 

[Elihoenai]

There is no proof there that states all must be baptized in the Jordon river. You need the full context of why He (Jesus) being without sin would have to be baptized by John whose baptism was for the remission of sin.

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

It is not clear in scripture that Jesus ever baptized anyone in water even though He first came to John's water baptism as a fulfillment of prophecy as He had to identify with humanity even though He had no sin. This was the beginning of Christ ministry as the Holy Spirit fell down on Him that day as God gave Him full power and authority here on earth and there after Jesus went about teaching the disciples as it was not Jesus who the Pharisees heard that He baptized more than John did, John 4:1-3 but His disciples baptizing others in water for remission of sin after the death of John the Baptist as all together they would have baptized others in water for the remission of sin then John could at one time. Jesus could not baptize anyone in the Holy Spirit until the day of Pentecost after He ascended up to the Father and the Father sent down the indwelling Holy Spirit, Acts 2.

To be a True Disciple you must do everything Yeshua/Jesus does.

 

[Elihoenai]

Speculation is for all who have no Spiritual understanding or knowledge given only by the Holy Spirit as many would rather be led around like a bull with a ring in its nose accepting everything that mans doctrines teaches them. The word of God holds only absolutes as He alone is infallible in giving the Holy Spirit what to teach all who have Spiritual ears to hear what the Spirit of God has already spoke.

A Real Disciple Speculates before arriving at certain understanding.

On the other hand, Elohim/God has used the Knights Templars/Freemasons Speculation to lead 2.2 Billion Christians astray with False Doctrine. Those that have not really sought Elohim/God are caught in this web of deception.

 

[Elihoenai]

You said: "We are not seeing what you are seeing."

If you are not seeing what I and many other Spirit filled Christians are seeing and not only seeing what is written, but understand what has already been written, without adding to or taking away from the word of God as many do, then it is upon you to seek truth, but not man's delusion of truth.

1 Corinthians 2:14 King James Version

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

From our perspective you don't appear to be Spirit filled and, as you know, there are millions of different interpretations all claiming to be the truth.

 

[Elihoenai]

I am neither denominational/non- denominational, Catholic or Protestant, but only a Spiritually born again from above child of God indwelled with His Holy Spirit. It's all about having a personal relationship with Christ through the Spiritual new birth as man can not save us, a church or Pastor can not save us, but only by God's grace through faith to whosoever will believe in Christ and endure until the end are those who will be saved. John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8, Matthew 24:13.

There is that "we" again. Why have you been rejected from the denominational and non denominational church's? Have they literally kicked you out of their doors? As far as I know I have the right to walk in any church door, but if the Holy Spirit is not present then I am the one who rejects their religion.

Revelation 18:4 King James Version

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Happy to say we have rejected the teachings of the denominational and non-denominational churches and they have rejected us. I cannot be a member, although can attend a Church. Some pastors/teachers don't allow us to speak in their lessons. Don't attend Church now.

 

[Elihoenai]

Apparently you believe the lies you are taught when you say we will all go to the lake of fire if we are not baptized in the Jordon river in order to be saved.

You must be Baptised in the Jordan River otherwise you are not and never will be Saved.

 

[Elihoenai]

Even Satan can quote the word of God, but loves to twist it as he adds to and takes away blinding those who seek after his teachings of a false gospel.

1 Peter 5:8 King James Version

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Amen!!!

 

[Elihoenai]

It's a personal question to you in what you think who is the great "I Am".

Ephesians 5:23 King James Version

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

I don't have any personal thoughts on that. We subscribe to Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ head of the Church and the Lawgivers, Prophets, Disciples and Apostles.

 

[Elihoenai]

Oh...so you WERE speaking about John the Baptist then? (in your previous post).

So you're saying I must do John's baptism to be forgiven of sins?
When we are baptized,,,is it not in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
And didn't John say Jesus would baptize us with the Holy Spirit? (with Fire).

If you read the following, you'll see that we receive the Holy Spirit even before baptism.....

Acts 10:42-48
42“And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.
43“Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.”
44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
45All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
46For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
47“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”
48And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.


From the above we can learn:

1. Everyone who believes in Jesus receives the forgiveness of sins.
2. We receive the Holy Spirit upon believing.
3. Once we are saved we have the Holy Spirit.
4. Then we are baptized and are welcomed into the family of God and we show our fellowship.

Mark 1:4 King James Version

4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.


Good post with plenty to meditate on:

John's Baptism is for the forgiveness/remission of sins.

Did Yeshua/Jesus receive the Holy Spirit from John's Baptism?
Is John's Baptism in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

 

[Elihoenai]

This is true...
besides God there is no savior.
God is our Savior.

The problem with Jesus is this:
Jesus was a liar.
Jesus was a crazy man.
OR
Jesus was, in how you want to understand it,
the SON OF GOD.

You might understand the Trinity or you might not.
You might understand that Jesus was a prophet or an Enlightened One.

The problem is that Jesus leaves us no room to believe either of those two ideas,
for the reason I stated above.

There have been other Enlightened Ones,,,,
but they were different and did not even claim to be the Son of God.

John 1:12 King James Version

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


The problem is Man his enjoying Sin. Man seeth what he wants to see.

He gave Power to become Sons of Elohim/God.

 

[Elihoenai]

But you don't. Why not?

Quantrill

Hosea 4:6 King James Version

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

The denominational and non-denominational churches have 2.2 Billion members that have not really searched for answers. The Real Yeshua/Jesus provides the answers.

 

[for_his_glory]

To be a True Disciple you must do everything Yeshua/Jesus does.

can't read in what is not there

 

[for_his_glory]

A Real Disciple Speculates before arriving at certain understanding.

On the other hand, Elohim/God has used the Knights Templars/Freemasons Speculation to lead 2.2 Billion Christians astray with False Doctrine. Those that have not really sought Elohim/God are caught in this web of deception.

Why would God use anyone to deceive us, is not Satan the father of lies?

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 4:19 King James Version

19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.


for_his_glory, You are the one disputing Yeshua/Jesus example to do John's Baptism.

We are in total agreement with everything in Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

Baptism - Jordan River Israel Tour

Here you go again with the "we". As you say, everyone one around the world that is Spiritually born again will not be saved because they were not immersed in the Jordon River, but yet you give no Biblical proof.

Because I one is incapacitated or can not afford to travel to Israel they have damned themselves as this is what you are saying.