Who are "God's Chosen People"?

[jasoncran]

only the jews and isrealites that are saved by faith in christ will recieve the promised land given to abraham , and that is only isreal as God promised to abraham.

 

[Adullam]

IMO God's chosen are always those who embrace His promises by faith.. for the just shall live by faith. It doesn't matter if you're a Jew, or a Gentile.

Israel on the other hand is God's chosen nation which shall be head over all other nations.. and Jerusalem is the city of the great King.. and this will be the case when the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled and Rev 11 comes to pass, and the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations:

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Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world..

Israel is the Bride of Christ.

 

[warhorse]

Israel is the Bride of Christ.

And the church.

 

[Adullam]

And the church.

The church is God's congregation. God's congregation is Israel.

Look in Revelation to see that the Bride is the New Jerusalem and made up of the 12 tribes of Israel.
So either the Gentile saints are grafted into Israel...or else they cannot become the Bride.

 

[jasoncran]

The church is God's congregation. God's congregation is Israel.

Look in Revelation to see that the Bride is the New Jerusalem and made up of the 12 tribes of Israel.
So either the Gentile saints are grafted into Israel...or else they cannot become the Bride.

paul talks about that in romans. but like warhorse theres a time where the jews will be the focus of god. not just the gentiles. has god really tried to focus on the jews? and no i dont think its a seven yr period. i do see a period where the jews and isrealites will have to cry out to god.
Zechariah 12 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

this hasnt happened yet.

 

[warhorse]

The church is God's congregation. God's congregation is Israel.

Look in Revelation to see that the Bride is the New Jerusalem and made up of the 12 tribes of Israel.
So either the Gentile saints are grafted into Israel...or else they cannot become the Bride.

Agreed the gentile saints are the seed of abraham through faith in christ the promise was always by faith it was never by Genetic heritage.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Like I said earlier, Paul is hard to understand. When he said, "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" He was not saying that an Israelite is not an Israelite because of no faith. One should not confuse the Israel of God (grace) with the Israel of Jacob (race). An Israelite is an Israelite whether having faith or not. Paul very definitely and most assuredly was using the lineage of race to demonstrate the idea behind being chosen.

Now that being said, for a person's salvation only faith matters ultimately (i.e. no Jew or Greek) but the earthly choosing of Israel does not disqualify them from the earthly promises whether or not they have faith. However, those benefits are for the purpose of God's plan of salvation, and the same racial people he wants to be saved.

While the Jew for the most part rejected the gospel, it's my personal belief that many of Israel have accepted it (c.f. Hosea 1:9-10). When we look at it from this light that there's more to Israel than just the Jew, then these Romans passages make more sense when we see there's two sides of the coin. While I don't actually disagree with what is being addressed to me, there are those that disagree with me because they only see a coin laying on the ground with heads up and then figure that's all there is to the coin. I know there's another side and we don't have to use replacement theology to steal, er, I mean acquire the promises to Israel.

 

[warhorse]

paul talks about that in romans. but like warhorse theres a time where the jews will be the focus of god. not just the gentiles. has god really tried to focus on the jews? and no i dont think its a seven yr period. i do see a period where the jews and isrealites will have to cry out to god.
Zechariah 12 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

this hasnt happened yet.

I believe that would be a final plee, delivered to National Israel by the two witnesses during the final 3 1/2 years of tribulation.

 

[warhorse]

Like I said earlier, Paul is hard to understand. When he said, "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" He was not saying that an Israelite is not an Israelite because of no faith. One should not confuse the Israel of God (grace) with the Israel of Jacob (race). An Israelite is an Israelite whether having faith or not. Paul very definitely and most assuredly was using the lineage of race to demonstrate the idea behind being chosen.

Now that being said, for a person's salvation only faith matters ultimately (i.e. no Jew or Greek) but the earthly choosing of Israel does not disqualify them from the earthly promises whether or not they have faith. However, those benefits are for the purpose of God's plan of salvation, and the same racial people he wants to be saved.

While the Jew for the most part rejected the gospel, it's my personal belief that many of Israel have accepted it (c.f. Hosea 1:9-10). When we look at it from this light that there's more to Israel than just the Jew, then these Romans passages make more sense when we see there's two sides of the coin. While I don't actually disagree with what is being addressed to me, there are those that disagree with me because they only see a coin laying on the ground with heads up and then figure that's all there is to the coin. I know there's another side and we don't have to use replacement theology to steal, er, I mean acquire the promises to Israel.

Its not being replaced sir, the promise was never to national israel

 

[jasoncran]

I believe that would be a final plee, delivered to National Israel by the two witnesses during the final 3 1/2 years of tribulation.

you hold to the trib position still? i didnt know that.

 

[jasoncran]

Like I said earlier, Paul is hard to understand. When he said, "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" He was not saying that an Israelite is not an Israelite because of no faith. One should not confuse the Israel of God (grace) with the Israel of Jacob (race). An Israelite is an Israelite whether having faith or not. Paul very definitely and most assuredly was using the lineage of race to demonstrate the idea behind being chosen.

Now that being said, for a person's salvation only faith matters ultimately (i.e. no Jew or Greek) but the earthly choosing of Israel does not disqualify them from the earthly promises whether or not they have faith. However, those benefits are for the purpose of God's plan of salvation, and the same racial people he wants to be saved.

While the Jew for the most part rejected the gospel, it's my personal belief that many of Israel have accepted it (c.f. Hosea 1:9-10). When we look at it from this light that there's more to Israel than just the Jew, then these Romans passages make more sense when we see there's two sides of the coin. While I don't actually disagree with what is being addressed to me, there are those that disagree with me because they only see a coin laying on the ground with heads up and then figure that's all there is to the coin. I know there's another side and we don't have to use replacement theology to steal, er, I mean acquire the promises to Israel.

ok. let me ask this. do you say only those that are isrealites that believe in christ are the ones who recieve the promise? as no unsaved isrealite will be in the kingdom otherwise that an insult to the cross.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Its not being replaced sir, the promise was never to national israel

You are dead wrong. Some promises are clearly national. Go back to my post #2 and start from the beginning making sure you are not confusing what type of "chosen" I am talking about.

This is happening just as I predicted.

 

[tim-from-pa]

ok. let me ask this. do you say only those that are isrealites that believe in christ are the ones who recieve the promise? as no unsaved isrealite will be in the kingdom otherwise that an insult to the cross.

Promises includes a lot more than salvation. If I were to ask what the birthright and "promises' entailed, I'll bet the horses and livestock that no one person could list what they are despite clearly being written in the bible and despite debating the validity of my viewpoint.

Apparently, that big list naming the marks of Israel posted a few times earlier was not clear enough. Go check them out ---- see which ones are earthly and national promises to Israel, and try to understand the bible as to how that relates to extending out to spiritual ones in Christ.

 

[jasoncran]

Promises includes a lot more than salvation. If I were to ask what the birthright and "promises' entailed, I'll bet the horses and livestock that no one person could list what they are despite clearly being written in the bible and despite debating the validity of my viewpoint.

Apparently, that big list naming the marks of Israel posted a few times earlier was not clear enough. Go check them out ---- see which ones are earthly and national promises to Israel, and try to understand the bible as to how that relates to extending out to spiritual ones in Christ.

no need , does an unsaved hebrew get to heaven. what is the requirement to enter gods kingdom.

i am a jew not because my dad say i am. the HOLY SPIRIT told me i am. i started to read the book of john and the spirit said stop, you need to go to the old testament and learn of your origins.

 

[warhorse]

you hold to the trib position still? i didnt know that.

Not the dispensational 7 year trib no... But there is a tribulation of the church from the death of steven until the day of the lord. and rev seems to confirm that there is a final 3 1/2 year period in wich the two witnesses battle it out with the man of sin/beast/AC/false prophet/satan what ever you want to call them, That results in there public death, followed i believe three days later by the DOTL.

 

[warhorse]

You are dead wrong. Some promises are clearly national. Go back to my post #2 and start from the beginning making sure you are not confusing what type of "chosen" I am talking about.

This is happening just as I predicted.

You know good and well what the promise is. Every monothietsic faith on the planet lays claim to it. It is the focus of all the dreams of both Jews, Muslums, and Christians. And it was always by faith. How could a just God destroy his own peaple over and over again if the promise was to them by heratige. How could a just God ask for the perfect sacrifice from his son when salvation was to be given away as cheaply as birthrite.
This is why i tell christians not to study the end times, until they have a solid understanding of Romans and Hebrews.

 

[savedbygrace57]

Those He foreknew !

Who are "God's Chosen People"?

Those Chosen In Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Those who He foreknew Rom 11:2

2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

 

[Eventide]

Israel is the Bride of Christ.

The nation of Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.. and they're not the bride of Christ.. the church of God is the future bride of Christ.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Fundamentally, I don't disagree with any of you, BTW. It's just that most do not agree with me because to use the example again, everyone's seeing heads face up on the ground and adamantly believe that's all there is to the coin. I just understand that there's a tails, too. Maybe heads is all that's needed to "win" by definition, but that does not discount the need for and existence of tails to make a complete coin.

Chosen does not always equal salvation. At least not in this age. The question was not "Who are God's saved people?" And here's another thought. For those that have salvation, what is the fundamental purpose, just to save from sin, or is there a job to do in being chosen not only now, but the age to come? I'll just sit back and watch the diversity of opinion now and as a reminder, remember the OP.

 

[Adullam]

The nation of Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.. and they're not the bride of Christ.. the church of God is the future bride of Christ.

Israel is not only a nation....I'm talking the Israel of God!