Who is the "generation of the figtree?"

[jasoncran]

sigh quote romans 9 that which i posted. and you switched. you said all.

and btw even when i was in sin and i was going to church before any sinners prayer. i heard the voice of God calling me to repent.

I believe Paul is quite clear about the fate of all Jews including enemies of the Gospel in Romans 11:25-32. I have no reason to doubt Paul's statements whatsoever. Unfortunately many people can't read that scripture set without their doctrinal glasses getting in the way and then they can't seem to read.

so let me guess, no man shall enter into hell only the devils.

that seems to be a universal reconcilation doctrine.

uh satan of course drives men to sin by temptation but man is a just as accountable the only difference tween a saint and a sinner is that the saint can choose to sin against his nature and a sinner has no strength to stop sinning nor desire. that said the sinner can cry out to God and repent and God will hear.

you cant twist doctrines to say the devil did it all and he and his minions alone will be in hell when this is quite clear..
matthew 25:

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[smaller]

sigh quote romans 9 that which i posted. and you switched. you said all.

I 'switched' nothing. Who is not Israel? The spirit of slumber upon them. Plain and simple.

Paul elaborates this in Romans 9 by stating that in the same lump Paul termed 'me' there is a vessel of honor and a vessel of dishonor.

Different fates, different uses.

Vessels of dishonor are currently being tolerated by God, but will eventually be set aside permanently. They are being used by God to demonstrate 'eternal mercy.'

and btw even when i was in sin and i was going to church before any sinners prayer. i heard the voice of God calling me to repent.

As did I. But I also today understand that is not all that is going on within me or within anyone else. Through the Words of God, I see 'no man' as being alone in flesh or in mind.

so let me guess, no man shall enter into hell only the devils.

Call it how you see it. The fact that this discussion is not allowed here should tell you volumes.

that seems to be a universal reconcilation doctrine.

I don't know the numbers, but no, you won't here the facts of these matters in what you refer to above. All christian groups are eventually divided by Gods Divine Intentions to keep vessels of dishonor in them from coalescing, just as what was shown at the tower of Babel.

The whole world remains in the sea of confusion, of doubletalk.

uh satan of course drives men to sin by temptation but man is a just as accountable

One can plaster and paint their respective tombs any way they please. The fact remains that none can say they have 'no sin' and be in Truth, and when that truthful confession is made, the connection of sin to the devil also remains. I would say most churches practice particular denial of this working 'in them' and prefer to teach the blaming of mankind only. Keeping sin in check is one thing and a good thing. Even you have stopped the workings of Satan at temptation. I extend that working through the entire events, from thought to word and to deed. There is no logical way to 'extract' or 'stop' the workings of Satan or devils at mere temptation and particularly not so when we can all read and see devils actively working in people throughout the N.T. inclusive of the 'external actions' of sin.

When a person for example denies that Satan enters their heart where the Word is sown, they are in fact sinning by their words, denying the teachings of Jesus.

I accept what Jesus taught for me personally. But for years, as a believer, I would 'magically' gloss over those teachings as they applied to me 'personally.' And at that exact moment, it was Satan (or perhaps my personal devils,) blinding my own mind to that very real presence. Today, I am a better warrior, knowing this fact.

the only difference tween a saint and a sinner is that the saint can choose to sin against his nature and a sinner has no strength to stop sinning nor desire. that said the sinner can cry out to God and repent and God will hear.

But you see again and again you only see one party to this matter, man alone. The fact remains that no man can make the devil do anything but what the devil does regardless of 'personal responsibility.' You and I are not going to make the devil quit doing what the devil does.

you cant twist doctrines to say the devil did it all and he and his minions alone will be in hell when this is quite clear..

And you can make any claims you want and any denials you think you see. I see no person as alone in any of these events because of what The Word shows. And that allows me more insight into these matters that you can not yet see. You might see it sometime if God allows. Not my call. I know that when I dialog with any person, I am not dealing with 'just them' and most often, the devil will show his face sooner or later.

matthew 25:

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

You should ask yourself as a supposed 'sheep alone,' this question:

Do I always and only do 'sheep works' or do I sometimes do 'goat works?'

If the answer is truthful, then you will know where the 'goat' is and 'who' it is.

I believe that account in Matt. 25 exactly as it is written and take it personally, knowing the separation of goats from sheep is the division of mankind from devils, for whom the fires are prepared.

Gods Words have not taught me to lie to myself.

enjoy!

smaller

 

[jasoncran]

nice dodge, it didnt answer the question. the man who doesnt do those things will be cast into the same place with the devils.

oh please. the devil cant be blamed for what the christian does or doesnt do. so if God is me and this states this

one john 4:4 "greater is he that is in you, then he that is the world"

God dwells in his saints. we are his temple.

paul states that clearly in hebrews.how can satan enter a temple where God dwells?

 

[smaller]

nice dodge, it didnt answer the question. the man who doesnt do those things will be cast into the same place with the devils.

oh please. the devil cant be blamed for what the christian does or doesnt do. so if God is me and this states this

one john 4:4 "greater is he that is in you, then he that is the world"

God dwells in his saints. we are his temple.

paul states that clearly in hebrews.how can satan enter a temple where God dwells?

Paul was honest about his condition of the flesh and the occupant(s) therein.

I have no need to deny the obvious. Others however who dodge these facts only show the owner of their minds.

I am not a slave. But I am no different than Paul regarding the demands of sin when that power comes in contact with The Law:

Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This fact remains for all believers regardless of their claims or denials.

enjoy!

smaller

 

[Lehigh3]

smaller,

The devil's influence is what remains. John saying , "he who sins is of the devil" means just that. After that "evil age" there is no question of where the devil resides now. "the devil who deceived them (Israel after the flesh) was thrown into the lake of fire."

The devil or Satan does not always refer to some demonic being or the like in Scripture. And with the added fact that that age ended in AD70- there can be no question of his status (being tormented forever in the L.O.F.)

Heb.2:14-15 says "Forasmuch then as the children were partakers of flesh and blood, He himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him who that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."
No reasonable system of interpretation or theology can sustain an interpretation of scripture that gives the power of death to a devil. The power of death has always been in sin, not a demonic being- "In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen.2:17) "The wages of sin is death." (Rom.6:23) "The sting of death is sin. (1Cor.15:56) "He that soweth into his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption." (Gal.6:8).
Probably the confusion arises out of the fact that "Satan" & the "devil" are used in a variety of ways in the Text.
Sometimes they refer to a source of evil or temptation, or as an enemy nation or persecuting power, as a personification of an inanimate object such as an idol, or something abstract, like sin.

Satan & demons are in the lake of fire. They are inoperable. Their "works" were destroyed. The end of the Jewish age came & went. The remnant was "saved."

Sin continues. "We" as Christians call it "sin" & attribute that to "Satan's influence " of evil & disbelief over men. But all are free agents. It doesn't mean that they themselves are not choosing who will be on the throne in their life. Mens pride puts themselves on the throne. The rest is just religious dogma- & not reality about the world.
Satan's influence continues. But so does God's goodness. That is probably why it is God who judges those on the outside- as it should be.

 

[smaller]

smaller,

The devil's influence is what remains. John saying , "he who sins is of the devil" means just that.

For an entity you seem to claim is no longer around or active? lol

N.T. writings clearly show Satan active 'in man' and post resurrection.

After that "evil age" there is no question of where the devil resides now. "the devil who deceived them (Israel after the flesh) was thrown into the lake of fire."

Ah, so you have some other metaphorical understanding of the LOF? I have just about heard them all, so by all means flesh it out...(just kidding on the term)

The devil or Satan does not always refer to some demonic being or the like in Scripture.

Show otherwise from scripture.

And with the added fact that that age ended in AD70- there can be no question of his status (being tormented forever in the L.O.F.)

Show where and how that transpired.

Heb.2:14-15 says "Forasmuch then as the children were partakers of flesh and blood, He himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him who that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

No reasonable system of interpretation or theology can sustain an interpretation of scripture that gives the power of death to a devil.

Scripture certainly attributes the power of death to both Satan and God. Nothing says Satan is not Gods Instrument in this regard. See Isa. 54:16 for ref.

The power of death has always been in sin, not a demonic being-

Sin is intimately linked to the tempter, the devil, and remains so in text.

"In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen.2:17) "The wages of sin is death." (Rom.6:23) "The sting of death is sin. (1Cor.15:56) "He that soweth into his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption." (Gal.6:8).
Probably the confusion arises out of the fact that "Satan" & the "devil" are used in a variety of ways in the Text.

Yeah, it kinda never amazes me on how 'believers' try to diminish the linkage and activity of Satan/devils to then place sole blame on man.

Sometimes they refer to a source of evil or temptation, or as an enemy nation or persecuting power, as a personification of an inanimate object such as an idol, or something abstract, like sin.

Anything but other entities eh?

Satan & demons are in the lake of fire. They are inoperable. Their "works" were destroyed. The end of the Jewish age came & went. The remnant was "saved."

Fanciful notion. You'll have to show in text when and how your supposed construct transpired.

Sin continues. "We" as Christians call it "sin" & attribute that to "Satan's influence " of evil & disbelief over men. But all are free agents.

Except you also contribute sin to satan's influences. Re-verb effect only? Paul was abundantly clear that the god of this world blinds the minds of unbelievers. The logic of your construct dictates that the 'god of this world' is only man, and they blind themselves. I might point out some severe flaws in that construct if that is where you wanna go.

It doesn't mean that they themselves are not choosing who will be on the throne in their life. Mens pride puts themselves on the throne. The rest is just religious dogma- & not reality about the world.

I am quite familiar with all attempts to pin sin solely on man and not on devils. Such attempts are, to me, demonic in nature.

Satan's influence continues. But so does God's goodness. That is probably why it is God who judges those on the outside- as it should be.

for a being supposedly disabled in the LOF, even you allow his workings to continue, but of course blame only man. That is in effect what the devil does 'in' man.

s

 

[jasoncran]

Paul was honest about his condition of the flesh and the occupant(s) therein.

I have no need to deny the obvious. Others however who dodge these facts only show the owner of their minds.

I am not a slave. But I am no different than Paul regarding the demands of sin when that power comes in contact with The Law:

Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This fact remains for all believers regardless of their claims or denials.

enjoy!

smaller

first off i am NOT a preterist buddy.

i merely wanted to show that most churches believe hitches view of john 8:44.

and paul also was backing your position up. satan isnt the flesh. flesh as in our old adamic nature isnt taken from us on this side of heaven.

we arent in the post millenial era. we or the sinners must still answer to God for our sins if we dont repent. the saint will hear the hs and repent upon convinction. if not he isnt a saint or has walked away from God or is just being stubborn. the sinner will hear it and either reject the gospel or accept the gospel.

you give satan too much power. way too much power. all he has to do is keep man liking their sin and that man will do the rest.

but for the christian he has to give place to the devil in order for him to gain a strong hold. i know., i struggled with porn for yrs. that is most satanic . i wanted to stop but i couldnt.

 

[smaller]

first off i am NOT a preterist buddy.

i merely wanted to show that most churches believe hitches view of john 8:44.

and paul also was backing your position up. satan isnt the flesh. flesh as in our old adamic nature isnt taken from us on this side of heaven.

we arent in the post millenial era. we or the sinners must still answer to God for our sins if we dont repent. the saint will hear the hs and repent upon convinction. if not he isnt a saint or has walked away from God or is just being stubborn. the sinner will hear it and either reject the gospel or accept the gospel.

you give satan too much power. way too much power. all he has to do is keep man liking their sin and that man will do the rest.

but for the christian he has to give place to the devil in order for him to gain a strong hold. i know., i struggled with porn for yrs. that is most satanic . i wanted to stop but i couldnt.

If any person critically examines the stream of thoughts that run continually through their minds, they would find the active participant therein that is not them. Most however and unfortunately just don't know the difference.

I reject most preterist positions for many reasons, but primarily because they do not view the other major parties to the scriptures, that entity class that can not be seen with flesh eyes, and they therefore only focus on 'mankind' and almost totally and entirely disregard, mitigate or even try to eliminate the 'other' parties. No preterist views contain accurate depictions of judgment as it pertains to devils.

Their vision is therefore void...or blinded...and they have engaged in fanciful constructs that just do not work or make sense.

I'm also not aware that as you said 'most churches' hold their views. Preterism in general is not widely accepted, and in it's most perverse forms, they eradicate vast segments of the N.T. as 'inapplicable' and split the Gospel in two, one for gentiles and one for Jews because 'they don't understand it.'

I excuse their ignorance for the real causes, which they don't acknowledge.

enjoy!

s

 

[Hitch]

If any person critically examines the stream of thoughts that run continually through their minds, they would find the active participant therein that is not them. Most however and unfortunately just don't know the difference.

I reject most preterist positions for many reasons, but primarily because they do not view the other major parties to the scriptures, that entity class that can not be seen with flesh eyes, and they therefore only focus on 'mankind' and almost totally and entirely disregard, mitigate or even try to eliminate the 'other' parties. No preterist views contain accurate depictions of judgment as it pertains to devils.

Their vision is therefore void...or blinded...and they have engaged in fanciful constructs that just do not work or make sense.

I'm also not aware that as you said 'most churches' hold their views. Preterism in general is not widely accepted, and in it's most perverse forms, they eradicate vast segments of the N.T. as 'inapplicable' and split the Gospel in two, one for gentiles and one for Jews because 'they don't understand it.'

I excuse their ignorance for the real causes, which they don't acknowledge.

enjoy!

s

Here in Reality Land its is the DF who claim Paul's Gospel and the Gospel of the Kingdom are different.

 

[jasoncran]

If any person critically examines the stream of thoughts that run continually through their minds, they would find the active participant therein that is not them. Most however and unfortunately just don't know the difference.

I reject most preterist positions for many reasons, but primarily because they do not view the other major parties to the scriptures, that entity class that can not be seen with flesh eyes, and they therefore only focus on 'mankind' and almost totally and entirely disregard, mitigate or even try to eliminate the 'other' parties. No preterist views contain accurate depictions of judgment as it pertains to devils.

Their vision is therefore void...or blinded...and they have engaged in fanciful constructs that just do not work or make sense.

I'm also not aware that as you said 'most churches' hold their views. Preterism in general is not widely accepted, and in it's most perverse forms, they eradicate vast segments of the N.T. as 'inapplicable' and split the Gospel in two, one for gentiles and one for Jews because 'they don't understand it.'

I excuse their ignorance for the real causes, which they don't acknowledge.

enjoy!

s

actually, i said no such thing. most churches dont hold to preterism these days but to what hitch has just called df. or futurism

i attend a church that is that way. the gospel for the jew and the gentile is the same! you are grafted in to the tree that paul spoke about. the christian God is a jewish God first.

he came to the man abraham first and formed a nation from him, and only those in that nation that had faith pleased him. being born a jew means squat to God. and even before abraham there were men who pleased god. abel, noah, seth, enoch job etc.

all gentiles.

 

[smaller]

Here in Reality Land its is the DF who claim Paul's Gospel and the Gospel of the Kingdom are different.

nice in depth piece there H

fact is, full pre's positions require the eradication of Jesus' Words, Peter's writings, Hebrews, James not to mention the entire O.T. etc etc.

yawn

 

[Hitch]

nice in depth piece there H

fact is, full pre's positions require the eradication of Jesus' Words, Peter's writings, Hebrews, James not to mention the entire O.T. etc etc.

yawn

Full- pre's as you put it ,dont matter.

 

[smaller]

Full- pre's as you put it ,dont matter.

people who know the difference between positions/ideas and the people who hold them have an easier time with factual dialog of positions/ideas.

Full pre's 'positions' are what I referred to. Has zero to do with the holders of same.

Nice try tho!

 

[Lehigh3]

For an entity you seem to claim is no longer around or active? lol

N.T. writings clearly show Satan active 'in man' and post resurrection.

Ah, so you have some other metaphorical understanding of the LOF? I have just about heard them all, so by all means flesh it out...(just kidding on the term)
Show otherwise from scripture.

Don't have time to spend on satan or someone who only really is interested in the topic. Post resurrection was not AD70. Showed you from scripture that "that evil age" ended in AD70. The "age to come" is post-AD70!

Metaphor or philosophical- sin & evil are still around- something which satan represented.
.

Show where and how that transpired.

Can't see into the spiritual realm- just like I can't see into heaven literally.(except for an occasional vision)

Scripture certainly attributes the power of death to both Satan and God. Nothing says Satan is not Gods Instrument in this regard. See Isa. 54:16 for ref.

And Jesus destroyed the works of "the spoiler" See. Luke 12:32-33.

Sin is intimately linked to the tempter, the devil, and remains so in text.

That contradicts what James says: Jm.1:12-15 NKJV)
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by Godâ€; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

Yeah, it kinda never amazes me on how 'believers' try to diminish the linkage and activity of Satan/devils to then place sole blame on man.

Sounds like you are avoiding ppls moral responsibilities in this life!

Anything but other entities eh?

Satan is no longer "god of this world" He was cast out. He represented sin & death in Adam. Power taken away- influence remains.

Nope, God is God of this world. He rules the nations morally & ethically from heaven. He is also omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent- which satan isn't & never was!

So, get behind me satan, you know not the things of God! LOL!!!

 

[smaller]

Don't have time to spend on satan or someone who only really is interested in the topic. Post resurrection was not AD70. Showed you from scripture that "that evil age" ended in AD70. The "age to come" is post-AD70!

The insistence that 70AD was the supposed date of the destruction of the devil and his messengers is located exactly nowhere in text. Sorry. That is by wildly speculative insertion.

Metaphor or philosophical- sin & evil are still around- something which satan represented.
.
Can't see into the spiritual realm- just like I can't see into heaven literally.(except for an occasional vision)
And Jesus destroyed the works of "the spoiler" See. Luke 12:32-33.

uh huh...like this:

Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

This speaks zero to their forthcoming destruction which has not yet transpired.

Until Jesus showed ~where~ Satan and devils ~sat~ 'in man' Prior, no man knew this location.

That contradicts what James says: Jm.1:12-15 NKJV)
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
Sounds like you are avoiding ppls moral responsibilities in this life!

No man makes Satan 'responsible' or makes Satan 'change' or 'repent.'

Sin remains of the devil to this day. Except in your world ~because~ you are forced to count sins against 'only man.' You have none else to view.

Satan's end game has already been played out in yer head.

Satan is no longer "god of this world" He was cast out. He represented sin & death in Adam. Power taken away- influence remains.

Hard to separate power from influence. If you attribute the power of influence, then the linkage remains to Satan and he remains active regardless of his supposed destruction in the LOF.

Nope, God is God of this world. He rules the nations morally & ethically from heaven. He is also omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent- which satan isn't & never was!

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

I do not deny that God was The Grantor of that power.

So, get behind me satan, you know not the things of God! LOL!!!

I know a dialog with Satan or devils when I have one. It revolves largely around your exact determinations. And that is no joke.

Satan is the accuser of mankind. That working is quite active, particularly in believers and in contradiction to 2 Cor. 5:19.

enjoy!

s

 

[Sam21]

Don't have time to spend on satan or someone who only really is interested in the topic. Post resurrection was not AD70. Showed you from scripture that "that evil age" ended in AD70. The "age to come" is post-AD70!

Metaphor or philosophical- sin & evil are still around- something which satan represented.
.
Can't see into the spiritual realm- just like I can't see into heaven literally.(except for an occasional vision)
And Jesus destroyed the works of "the spoiler" See. Luke 12:32-33.
That contradicts what James says: Jm.1:12-15 NKJV)
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by Godâ€; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
Sounds like you are avoiding ppls moral responsibilities in this life!
Satan is no longer "god of this world" He was cast out. He represented sin & death in Adam. Power taken away- influence remains.

Nope, God is God of this world. He rules the nations morally & ethically from heaven. He is also omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent- which satan isn't & never was!

So, get behind me satan, you know not the things of God! LOL!!!

You should be singing to satan,PLEASE RELEASE ME LET ME GO, for crying out loud, the satan you claim is bound is working you like a puppet with him on the strings. Your doctrine you preach literally destroys the message that Jesus came to give to the world...AND YOU THINK YOU ARE HELPING THE CAUSE OF CHRIST....that is called deception!

 

[Sam21]

You should be singing to satan,PLEASE RELEASE ME LET ME GO, for crying out loud, the satan you claim is bound is working you like a puppet with him on the strings. Your doctrine you preach literally destroys the message that Jesus came to give to the world...AND YOU THINK YOU ARE HELPING THE CAUSE OF CHRIST....that is called deception!

This message was for Lehigh not Smaller.

 

[Sam21]

The insistence that 70AD was the supposed date of the destruction of the devil and his messengers is located exactly nowhere in text. Sorry. That is by wildly speculative insertion.

uh huh...like this:

Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

This speaks zero to their forthcoming destruction which has not yet transpired.

Until Jesus showed ~where~ Satan and devils ~sat~ 'in man' Prior, no man knew this location.

No man makes Satan 'responsible' or makes Satan 'change' or 'repent.'

Sin remains of the devil to this day. Except in your world ~because~ you are forced to count sins against 'only man.' You have none else to view.

Satan's end game has already been played out in yer head.

Hard to separate power from influence. If you attribute the power of influence, then the linkage remains to Satan and he remains active regardless of his supposed destruction in the LOF.

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

I do not deny that God was The Grantor of that power.

I know a dialog with Satan or devils when I have one. It revolves largely around your exact determinations. And that is no joke.

Satan is the accuser of mankind. That working is quite active, particularly in believers and in contradiction to 2 Cor. 5:19.

enjoy!

s

They believe that the New Testament was just for those folks in the first century,therefore we cannot use scripture to prove them wrong because the scripture we use was JUST FOR THEM FOLKS. This is clearly a demonic teaching designed to nullify the word of God.

 

[reba]

They believe that the New Testament was just for those folks in the first century,therefore we cannot use scripture to prove them wrong because the scripture we use was JUST FOR THEM FOLKS. This is clearly a demonic teaching designed to nullify the word of God.

Sam, Who says that?

Who is the accuser of the brethren ?

 

[smaller]

They believe that the New Testament was just for those folks in the first century,therefore we cannot use scripture to prove them wrong because the scripture we use was JUST FOR THEM FOLKS. This is clearly a demonic teaching designed to nullify the word of God.

A common malady. Strange to have believers trying to eradicate The Word of God isn't it? I've seen the restrictions in many forms.

Jesus had no such restrictions on Gods Words:

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

One might presume that statement is true, which poses dilemmas for many positions. Antinomians for example deny The Law, Gods Words, as being 'only for O.T. Jews (etc etc) Preterists throw out The Words of Jesus based on them having already transpired and therefore now void.

Paul assured us this about Gods Words, all of them:

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Apparently all that stopped after 70 a.d? lol

I remain with the understanding that 'every' Word spoken by God and His Christ remains fully true, fully effective, fully continuing.

enjoy!

s