Who raised Christ from the dead?

[oneisgod]

The Father as Jesus was dead:-

So what about when Jesus said he would raise himself from the dead?

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

The temple of his body; his congregation.

 

[Free]

lol! No.

John 2:18-22, "18 So the Jews said to him, What sign do you show us for doing these things? 19 Jesus answered them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 The Jews then said, It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days? 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken."

They certainly understood what Jesus said--his body meant his physical body.

 

[shad]

lol! No.

John 2:18-22, "18 So the Jews said to him, What sign do you show us for doing these things? 19 Jesus answered them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 The Jews then said, It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days? 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken."

They certainly understood what Jesus said--his body meant his physical body.

take a look at this:

Jesus never said that he would raise himself from the dead; that idea has to be assumed and read into what Jesus said. What he did say is that he would raise his body. Jesus did indeed raise his body, especially as seen by his appearances in the locked room. Jesus himself, however, had to first be raised from the dead by his God and Father before Jesus could raise his body.

See my earlier studies on this:
http://godandson.reslight.net/?p=218
http://clearblogs.com/jesusandhisgod/19 ... 19-22.html

 

[Free]

They certainly understood what Jesus said--his body meant his physical body.

take a look at this:

Jesus never said that he would raise himself from the dead; that idea has to be assumed and read into what Jesus said. What he did say is that he would raise his body. Jesus did indeed raise his body, especially as seen by his appearances in the locked room. Jesus himself, however, had to first be raised from the dead by his God and Father before Jesus could raise his body.

See my earlier studies on this:
http://godandson.reslight.net/?p=218
http://clearblogs.com/jesusandhisgod/19 ... 19-22.html

The assumption in the above is that more than the body dies at death. That first needs to be proved before the rest can be proved.

 

[Imagican]

destiny,

I BELIEVE that you can find what you asked in these words:

John 17

1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

I believe in these words, not ONLY can the question of WHO raised Christ BE answered, but WHO Christ IS as well. For IF you are ABLE to read these words WITHOUT letting what you have been TAUGHT to believe, it is QUITE CLEAR that there IS a distinction between GOD and CHRIST. Not only a distinction between Father and Son, but between Father WHO IS GOD and The Son who IS Christ.

God, The Father, raised Christ. For what is Christ ASKING when He is asking for The Father to GLORIFY HIM? There is NO God; The Son. For these words PLAINLY OFFER that there is but ONE TRUE GOD, and this; The FATHER OF CHRIST.

Folks, simply READ the words offered. Regardless of some words that SEEM to be 'mystical', when we compare scripture TO scripture, we then find that there is truly LITTLE mystery. For God DOES want us to UNDERSTAND. And for this purpose, little of what He offered through prophet and even HIS OWN SON is as vague as some would have it. The difference is that 'those of this world' were NEVER meant to understand the NATURE and SPECIFIC details of wisdom or even the very essence of God Himself.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[MMarc]

What people fail to see in all this, is in nature Jesus had a soul (inner man). A physical body and the Holy Spirit that He received at His baptism...

Now I know the Spirit that Jesus received returned to the Father who gave it. It is that Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. The spirit returns to God, His soul went to hell and His physical body went to the grave....

So the answer is not one OR the other that raised Jesus from the dead but the same Spirit who is God, and the Holy Spirit which also dwelt in Jesus and now in us that raised Jesus from the dead.

God gave all authority to Jesus who sits on the Father's thrown.

 

[Adullam]

The Spirit of Christ did. The Spirit of Christ is a source of life. Man cannot extinguish the divine flame. :heart

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John

 

[Rick W]

Been gone three days. Family project.
Anyway trying to catch up...



Three days after Christ died what rose from the grave?
His body, a place of dwelling for His spirit, the Word made flesh.

TEMPLE

–noun
1. an edifice or place dedicated to the service or worship of a deity or deities.
2. (usually initial capital letter) any of the three successive houses of worship in Jerusalem in use by the Jews in Biblical times, the first built by Solomon, the second by Zerubbabel, and the third by Herod.
3. a synagogue, usually a Reform or Conservative one.
4. an edifice erected as a place of public worship; a church, esp. a large or imposing one.
5. any place or object in which God dwells, as the body of a Christian. I Cor. 6:19.
6. (in France) a Protestant church.
7. (in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) a building devoted to administering sacred ordinances, principally that of eternal marriage.
8. a building, usually large or pretentious, devoted to some public use: a temple of music.
9. (initial capital letter) either of two establishments of the medieval Templars, one in London and the other in Paris.
10. (initial capital letter) either of two groups of buildings (Inner Temple and Middle Temple) on the site of the Templars' former establishment in London, occupied by two of the Inns of Court.
11. a building used by the Templars in the U.S.
12. a building used by any of various fraternal orders.

Nowhere is "temple" used to describe a congregation in definition or in scripture.





CHURCH

–noun
1. a building for public Christian worship.
2. public worship of God or a religious service in such a building: to attend church regularly.
3. (sometimes initial capital letter) the whole body of Christian believers; Christendom.
4. (sometimes initial capital letter) any division of this body professing the same creed and acknowledging the same ecclesiastical authority; a Christian denomination: the Methodist Church.
5. that part of the whole Christian body, or of a particular denomination, belonging to the same city, country, nation, etc.
6. a body of Christians worshipping in a particular building or constituting one congregation: She is a member of this church.
7. ecclesiastical organization, power, and affairs, as distinguished from the state: separation of church and state; The missionary went wherever the church sent him.
8. the clergy and religious officials of a Christian denomination.
9. the Christian faith: a return of intellectuals to the church.
10. (initial capital letter) the Christian Church before the Reformation.
11. (initial capital letter) the Roman Catholic Church.
12. the clerical profession or calling: After much study and contemplation, he was prepared to enter the church.
13. a place of public worship of a non-Christian religion.
14. any non-Christian religious society, organization, or congregation: the Jewish church.

"Church" does describe a congregation.

Jesus did not say "church". He said "temple".

The Temple Christ spoke of was indeed his body, the temple in which dwelt, again, the Word made flesh, John 1:14.
And our bodies also act as a temple for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.


1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


The Holy spirit dwells within our body (temple) yes but we are not the temple of heaven nor shall we be as some would want to believe. I know the teaching is out there and that would be a rather arrogant teaching... that collectively we will make up God's heavenly temple. The Holy spirit doesn't need us for a place of residence now or in the future since His place is in heaven but rather the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is given as a gift to those who would believe. Nor does Christ need us as His temple to perform His heavenly duty as High Priest.

We are not His temple. We may become part of the congregation of His Church, which is our faith, our hope, yes.

The Temple Christ spoke of was his body, the temple in which dwelt the Word.
Nowhere in scripture is it taught that we are or ever will become a heavenly temple.

Psa 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

Psa 15:1 <A Psalm of David.> LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
Psa 15:2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.


The true tabernacle, that of heaven, served as a pattern for Moses long before Christ rose from the dead.
The prophets such as Ezekiel and Isaiah saw the heavenly temple in visions given by God.

Exo 25:40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.

To claim Christ raised another temple is to agree with those that bore false witness against Him, an intentional distortion of His words in the attempt that He may be convicted.

Mark 14:57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,
Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

 

[Paidion]

That 'some' have used this scripture to SHOW that Christ 'raised Himself' is NO PROOF that this is what is offered in truth. Christ DIDN'T raise Himself OR He WASN'T REALLY DEAD.

Imagician, you and I think this way, but those who believe a human being is a dichotomy (body and soul/spirit) or a trichotomy (body, soul, and spirit) do not think in these terms. So it accomplishes no purpose to keep repeating your reasoning.

Dichotomists and Trichotomists believe that the soul/spirit of all people is immortal and cannot die. Thus Christ's soul/spirit lived on after his physical body died. They think the same for all people. When they die, (they think) their soul/spirit goes immediately and permanently either to heaven or to hell. Thus there is no death except to the physical body. So if their thesis were true, there would be no problem at all for the soul/spirit of Christ to raise His physical body.

Rather than continue to argue that Christ couldn't have raised Himself from the dead, perhaps the reasoning should move to the nature of man. Is he is a single, integrated entity? Is his "body" simply one aspect of the person? Is "spirit" the life principle that goes back to God at death? And "soul" is a term to describe the whole person? That is what I believe, and I think you do too. But those who believe in an immortal soul or spirit do not have any problem at all in believing that this immortal part of Christ raised up His body. You and I believe, and the apostle Paul believed, that our whole hope for the future lies in our coming back to life in the resurrection. Paul stated that if there is no resurrection, we might as well eat and drink. If there is no resurrection, our faith is in vain, and those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. But those who believe in the immortality of the soul, don't really require a resurrection. They could just go to heaven at death and spend eternity with Christ in a disembodied state. No problem. But they think that the resurrection is a matter of attaching a body to their spirit or soul some time in the future. They think it will be kind of nice to have a body again, although it is not really necessary.

 

[Rick W]

"Rather than continue to argue that Christ couldn't have raised Himself from the dead, perhaps the reasoning should move to the nature of man. Is he is a single, integrated entity? Is his "body" simply one aspect of the person? Is "spirit" the life principle that goes back to God at death?"

Good subject for another thread :yes

 

[shad]

Rick,

Here is how Peter explains:

1 Peter 1:21 (King James Version)

21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

now are you satisfied? :yes

 

[Rick W]

Let's say it's my desire to build a house on some ground I bought. The house is then built.
But I tell people I built the house when in fact it was a contractor that did the work.

God's plan of salvation is to the Father's credit yes but it was the Word of God that did the work, the will of the Father.
The Word IS the Father's intent, His purpose and His will.
It was the Father's will that the dead body be raised so The Word raised the body from the dead.
The Word IS life, the way and the truth. He is also THE resurrection.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

 

[shad]

Let's say it's my desire to build a house on some ground I bought. The house is then built.
But I tell people I built the house when in fact it was a contractor that did the work.

God's plan of salvation is to the Father's credit yes but it was the Word of God that did the work, the will of the Father.
The Word IS the Father's intent, His purpose and His will.
It was the Father's will that the dead body be raised so The Word raised the body from the dead.
The Word IS life, the way and the truth. He is also THE resurrection.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

So, are you saying that you don't accept Peter's explanation, Rick?

 

[Rick W]

Of course I accept Peter's words. And I accept Christ's. I just don't accept yours.
When Christ himself said "I will raise it up" didn't mean Peter lied. Through the spirit of Christ, the Word, by the will of the Father, His dead body was raised from the dead. It was God's will, through the Word of God, that Christ not only had the power to do so but did as He said He would. The Word of God, His will, did not die. For what part of God can die? Can His spirit die? Can His Word die? Can the will of God die? The Word was made flesh, the flesh died yes, but no part of God died.
The Word IS life, THE Resurrection.

 

[shad]

Of course I accept Peter's words. And I accept Christ's. I just don't accept yours.
When Christ himself said "I will raise it up" didn't mean Peter lied. Through the spirit of Christ, the Word, by the will of the Father, His dead body was raised from the dead. It was God's will, through the Word of God, that Christ not only had the power to do so but did as He said He would. The Word of God, His will, did not die. For what part of God can die? Can His spirit die? Can His Word die? Can the will of God die? The Word was made flesh, the flesh died yes, but no part of God died.
The Word IS life, THE Resurrection.

1 Peter 1:21 (King James Version)

21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

This is not my words.

 

[Rick W]

"Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up"

"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

And the above aren't mine.

The Word does the commandment of the Father, has power to raise His dead body and does so. The Word IS life and the Word IS the Resurrection. The Word says so. It was God's will that the body of Christ be raised and the will of God was done. God raised the physical body of Christ, the flesh, from the dead through the power of His Word. And the Word is Christ.

 

[researcher]

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

It would have been the Spirit of Christ that raised the flesh body of Christ (i.e. Jesus). At least how I understand it.

1Pe 1:11 searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ (the Spirit) which was in them did point unto, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ (the flesh body), and the glories that should follow them.

The Spirit of Christ lived in Jesus the man, and, also raised him from the dead. No?

 

[Rick W]

Correct.
Why else would Christ, the Word, the spirit within the man (Jesus), have the power to do so if that power wasn't going to be used?
Again,
Through the Power of The Word God raised Jesus from the dead.
Jesus is the Word made flesh. John 1:14
The Word is the Way, the Truth and the LIFE.
The Word, Jesus, is also THE Resurrection.

 

[Imagican]

"Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up"

"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

And the above aren't mine.

The Word does the commandment of the Father, has power to raise His dead body and does so. The Word IS life and the Word IS the Resurrection. The Word says so. It was God's will that the body of Christ be raised and the will of God was done. God raised the physical body of Christ, the flesh, from the dead through the power of His Word. And the Word is Christ.

I believe that the words offerd above can have a 'deeper meaning' than taking them completely literal. How about this:

I have chosen, by my obedience, to lay down my life for YOU. And I KNOW that through such obedience to the will of the Father, I will be 'raised again'. And I KNOW that these sayings are TRUTH for I have received this directly from The Father.

Many times we read and what we receive is only PART of what is actually offered. How many times have we read something, only to go back to it at a later date, and receive something TOTALLY different than what we first perceived?

I had never heard this even questioned; Who raised Christ, until discussion in this forum. I thought that it was a 'given' that God raised Christ. God MADE Christ 'human'. Therefore, it would only stand to reason that His ressection would have been completed by God as well.

I guess, when one begins to believe that Christ IS God Himself, then EVERYTHING that was done usward was done BY God Himself.

Yet Christ offers and utter distinction between Himself and The Father. And He plainly offers that The Father IS God Himself. Never is it offered that God IS The Son. Only in the minds of those that wish to SEEK something that was never offered.

IF Christ WERE God Himself, explain these words: "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". I mean, isn't it obvious that IF Christ WERE God Himself, then there would be NO NEED to make such a request. For He would have simply been ABLE to offer the forgiveness that He pleaded for.

When Christ spoke out and asked, "My Father, why hath thou forsaken me", isn't it obvious that at the moment of these words being uttered, The Father, by necessity, HAD abandoned Christ in order for Him to suffer the sins of the world. That at that moment, Christ WAS ALONE. The entity that was nailed to that cross, at that moment, was JUST Jesus Christ.

God was not nailed to a cross. But He sent His Son to suffer such a fate. Sent Him informed of what 'must be' in order for 'death to be defeated'. To sin was death and therefore one SINLESS had to die as the ultimate sacrifice for everyone else.

We have the words of Christ offered to God in the garden, PRAYING for strength to carry out the wishes of The Father and The Son. But, being 'in the flesh', He was subject TO the flesh. Therefore we have the witness of the words offered up in the garden: Christ begging the Father; first, that 'this cup pass over me, then, not MY will by THINE be done'.

How deceptive an offering if it were indeed God HImself that was being led to such a challenge. And of what purpose would it have served for GOD to be nailed to the cross? It was by MAN that sin entered the world, and it was NEEDED that sin be defeated by MAN. Therefore God sent His ONLY begotten Son so that HE could DIE for our sins. To SHOW His love usward, God SENT His Son to DIE FOR US. Even while we were yet His enemies.

Christ openly stated that the power that He possessed was 'given Him by The Father'. That in itself states that WITHOUT such a 'gift', that the power that Christ exhibited wouldn't even have existed.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[shad]

Of course I accept Peter's words. And I accept Christ's. I just don't accept yours.
When Christ himself said "I will raise it up" didn't mean Peter lied. Through the spirit of Christ, the Word, by the will of the Father, His dead body was raised from the dead. It was God's will, through the Word of God, that Christ not only had the power to do so but did as He said He would. The Word of God, His will, did not die. For what part of God can die? Can His spirit die? Can His Word die? Can the will of God die? The Word was made flesh, the flesh died yes, but no part of God died.
The Word IS life, THE Resurrection.

Here is another explanation from Peter:

1 Peter 3:18 (New International Version)
18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,

And here is many more:

Acts 2:32
God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.

Acts 4:10
then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

Acts 5:30
The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the deadâ€â€whom you had killed

1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the deadâ€â€Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.