Who were the sons of God in Gen 6?

[n2thelight]

I say they were angels ,any thoughts?

 

[jaybird]

fallen angels.

 

[Eugene]

Who were the sons of God in Gen 6?
I say they were angels ,any thoughts?

As today, there are us in Christ, and those that are not. A daughter of man is not a son of God, and neither are created angels. I will say that the word angel also designates the thought of Messenger, prophet, king, etc. and could be a spiritual man in that context.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives (Angels don’t take wives) of all which they chose.

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they (Angels) not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

 

[jaybird]

As today, there are us in Christ, and those that are not. A daughter of man is not a son of God, and neither are created angels. I will say that the word angel also designates the thought of Messenger, prophet, king, etc. and could be a spiritual man in that context.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives (Angels don’t take wives) of all which they chose.

Jesus teaches angels in heaven do not take wives, the fallen angels in Gen 6 are not in heaven, they left that estate.

 

[Jim Parker]

Who were the sons of God in Gen 6?

Good question.
There are many opinions.
I don't think anyone really knows.

 

[n2thelight]

If they are not fallen angels ,why did Paul give a warning to women in the below?

I Corinthians 11:10 "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

 

[Runner]

Answers In Genesis, which I normally consult only for comedy relief, actually has an intelligent discussion of the issue: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/battle-over-the-nephilim/.

A far more scholarly discussion of the ancient worldview of the Divine Council, including an in-depth discussion of Genesis 6:1-4, is found in The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible by Dr. Michael S. Heiser, https://www.amazon.com/dp/1577995562/?tag=thegospcoal-20. His position is that the “sons of God” were not humans but members of the Divine Council who, like Satan, had rebelled against God. The Nephilim ("giants") were their semi-divine offspring. Like the "sons of God," the Nephilim were a serious threat to the reestablishment of God’s Edenic rule.

Realistically, Genesis is such an amalgamation of ancient legends and myths from other sources and traditions that Genesis 6:1-4 is most assuredly just an OT version of some earlier account. This is an excellent discussion of the possible origins of Genesis 6:1-4: http://www.godawa.com/chronicles_of...aditions_and_Pre-History_of_Genesis_6.1-4.pdf.

But, of course, why consult world-class scholars when you can ask Internet posters with names like Fuzzy Wuzzy and Woofus47, "Whaddya think about Genesis 6:1-4?"

 

[jaybird]

Answers In Genesis, which I normally consult only for comedy relief, actually has an intelligent discussion of the issue: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/battle-over-the-nephilim/.

A far more scholarly discussion of the ancient worldview of the Divine Council, including an in-depth discussion of Genesis 6:1-4, is found in The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible by Dr. Michael S. Heiser, https://www.amazon.com/dp/1577995562/?tag=thegospcoal-20. His position is that the “sons of God” were not humans but members of the Divine Council who, like Satan, had rebelled against God. The Nephilim ("giants") were their semi-divine offspring. Like the "sons of God," the Nephilim were a serious threat to the reestablishment of God’s Edenic rule.

Realistically, Genesis is such an amalgamation of ancient legends and myths from other sources and traditions that Genesis 6:1-4 is most assuredly just an OT version of some earlier account. This is an excellent discussion of the possible origins of Genesis 6:1-4: http://www.godawa.com/chronicles_of...aditions_and_Pre-History_of_Genesis_6.1-4.pdf.

But, of course, why consult world-class scholars when you can ask Internet posters with names like Fuzzy Wuzzy and Woofus47, "Whaddya think about Genesis 6:1-4?"

Heiser has done some very good works on the subject. he has also done good work explaining the difference between angels and sons of the Most High.

 

[jaybird]

the sethite theory didnt exist until 3 - 400 years after Jesus. the fallen angels would be one of the first stories the new roman church changed. my question has always been why, why did they want to get rid of the story? according to the church at the time, church leaders wanted to make the story more rational because such stories would cause doubts, not so much doubts within the church but doubts and problems when going out to the non believers.
so to sum it up
men walking on water, ok
sun stopping for a day, ok
talking snakes, ok
man living inside a fish, ok
angels mixing with humans, not a chance! it must mean something else.

 

[Free]

If they are not fallen angels ,why did Paul give a warning to women in the below?

I Corinthians 11:10 "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

That is in the context of worship and has no bearing on this topic.

 

[Cygnus]

Good question.
There are many opinions.
I don't think anyone really knows.

I have to agree.

 

[Free]

the sethite theory didnt exist until 3 - 400 years after Jesus. the fallen angels would be one of the first stories the new roman church changed. my question has always been why, why did they want to get rid of the story? according to the church at the time, church leaders wanted to make the story more rational because such stories would cause doubts, not so much doubts within the church but doubts and problems when going out to the non believers.
so to sum it up
men walking on water, ok
sun stopping for a day, ok
talking snakes, ok
man living inside a fish, ok
angels mixing with humans, not a chance! it must mean something else.

Apples and oranges. To say that angels can reproduce with humans is not only something completely different and far-fetched, the entirety of Scripture does not mention that angels even have the ability among themselves to reproduce. It is actually implied in Matt. 22:30 that they do not reproduce.

 

[reba]

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[hawkman]

I say they were angels ,any thoughts?

fallen angels.

I agree with jaybird.

 

[n2thelight]

Who or what is the seed of the serpent ,and why do most Christian sites forbid it even being talked about ?
Asking as it plays a part in the OP

 

[for_his_glory]

Nephilim has been traditionally taught, to be angels who came down and procreated with women by marrying and having children with them.

Angels have no gender (Matthew 22:30) and are innumerable (Hebrews 12:22). They are incarnate in human form at times (Genesis 18:2-8) for the purpose of God's ministry and have no sexual organs like humans do in order to procreate.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The way I read this verse is that there were giants in the earth in those days before the flood and also after the flood when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth named in Genesis 5) all had sons and daughters, but not all of these sons and daughters obeyed God and fell away from Him. Let's not forget the unGodly line of Cain that some of these sons and daughters might have married into Cain's line and came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them. Some had the hereditary autosomal dominant pituitary gene such as AIP that produces Nephilim/giants as they became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. This gene had to start with Adam to present day as we see anyone being over seven feet being called a giant as they tower over others.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - Nephilim
Part of Speech: noun masculine
Transliteration: Nephilim
Phonetic Spelling : nef-eel
Definition: "giants", name of two people, one before the flood and one after the flood

By this definition these angels would have to have come down two different times to marry the daughters of men. Once before the flood and again after the flood, but we only find this one time in Genesis 6:1, 2.

There is no such thing as a half angel, half human hybrid called Giants. Nephilim is just a name given to giants that we read about in scripture and even those that are living today being over 6 feet and taller.

Rephaim - race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Deuteronomy 3:11-13; 2 Samuel 21:16-20, Og the king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaim
Anakim - race of giants Numbers 13:33; Deuteronomy 2:10; 9:2 Anak son of Arba Joshua 15:13 descendent of Canaan, son of Ham
Emim - the proud deserters, terrors, race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Genesis, 19:37; Deuteronomy 2:10, 11 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham
Zuzim/Zamzummims the evil ones, roaming things Genesis 14:5-7, 19:38 Deuteronomy 2:20 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham

It's just like the name Lucifer/Satan/prince of darkness/Beelzebub/father of lies and many more names given to this fallen angel. Satan is nothing more than a fallen angel that goes to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it as he still has access to the throne room of God as he stands accusing the brethren as Jesus sits and makes intercession for us. Satan is the opposite of God's goodness as his evil hierarchy includes the third of the angels that have followed after him as he sends them throughout the earth for his destructive purpose in man, 1 Peter 5:8.

 

[for_his_glory]

Who or what is the seed of the serpent ,and why do most Christian sites forbid it even being talked about ?
Asking as it plays a part in the OP

Serpent seed is a Calvinistic false doctrine that teaches the serpent in the garden had sexual relations with Eve and their offspring was Cain.

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

 

[hawkman]

My take on this verse.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Notice what kind of angels they are, "angels of God" and their location "in heaven". Why didn't the verse stop with the word "angels" ?

So, what can the fallen "angels of satan" do "on earth" , the angels spoken of in this verse ?

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

 

[n2thelight]

Serpent seed is a Calvinistic false doctrine that teaches the serpent in the garden had sexual relations with Eve and their offspring was Cain.

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

No, you can't just brush it aside like that. Look at the verse ,which clearly states the seed of the serpent

Genesis 3:15​

“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

What is seed here?

Eve's seed is our Lord Jesus Christ. While Satan's seed are the children, to the last generation, called the Kenites. Those offspring are born from the sexual union between Eve and Satan [the serpent, and the tree of good and evil]. God is telling us that He will put trouble between Eve's children [through Adam and Seth], and Satan's offspring through Cain, called the Kenites.

It is Jesus Christ that shall bruise the head of Satan, at Christ's return at the second advent; while it was Satan's children the Kenites, [not brother Judah] that bruised the heel of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. This was done when the spikes were driven through Christ's heel, as He hung on the cross to pay the full price for our sins, once and for all.

Most "men of God" acknowledge that Genesis 3:15 is talking about the death of Jesus Christ, when He was nailed to the cross for our sins. They recognize that "seed" is referring to the children of the woman "Eve", yet somehow they just want to spiritualize everything else that happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and the two men [Satan and Adam]. The "seed" in the Hebrew is called "zirmah", and in the Greek it is "sperma". We in the English call it "sperm", and in Strongs Hebrew Dictionary # 2233; "Posterity, carnally, child, fruitful". Friend, it can't be any clearer. The seed of Satan's "posterity" are the "Kenites", while Adam's posterity is in Christ, and of the pure bloodline through Seth.

 

[n2thelight]

That is in the context of worship and has no bearing on this topic.

Worship of what? ,and it has everything to do with the topic , if you have eyes to see .
Please share the context , thx .