Why do you only let protestants be moderators?

[stray bullet]

Stray, how about you take the Statement of faith, and use the Bible to find it's flaws if they are there. All I can see is someone who can't drop their "doctrines" to advance the most important truth, Christ's salvation.

2 Timothy 3:16

"The bible is the inspired, infallible, and only authoritative Word of God."

This statement in bold enforces the notion of Sola Scriptura, an idea introduced during the Reformation. It does not come from the bible, it is not found in the bible and it is not supported by the bible.

It also contradicts the beliefs of Catholics, Orthdox, Lutherans, Anglicans and others.
It asserts the beliefs of Baptists, Calvinists and similiar churches and denominations that believe in Reformationalists ideas.

 

[cly]

This is the Statement of Faith of our forums, and of our leadership.

There is one true God, eternally existing in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The bible is the inspired, infallible, and only authoritative Word of God.

Jesus Christ, God's only Son, was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born a virgin birth, lived a sinless life, died an atoning death upon a cross, raised from the dead, and ascended to the right hand of the Father where He will one day return to the earth.

That man is in a lost and depraved condition by nature, and is in need of the new birth by the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit.

In justification by faith apart from the works of the law.

That salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone, to whom we must respond with repentance, faith, and obedience. Through Christ we come into a right relationship with God, our sins are forgiven, and we receive eternal life.

Reference: http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=11740

This sounds like it's encompassing all who are born-again believers in Christ. We are saved by grace through faith, and that is basically is saying. There is nothing here that seems to single out denominations.

 

[Blazin Bones]

I don't label myself anything but "Christian". There is a LOT that I don't understand and the whole protestant, orthodox, etc is one of them.

That's why I mod a forum that doesn't really require me to know all that.
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Nikki's right. Stray, until we lay down the titles of Catholic, Baptist, or Orthodox, this board won't be all that God has planed for it.

PotLuck, I think you and I are from the Same denomination. :wink:

If you wish to 'lay down' titles, then perhaps you should consider removing exclusionary statements in your statement of faith?

Hey Stray, Gary gave you the SOF, what in there is anti-catholic or anything else. Prove errors with the SOF throught the Bible, God's Word. If you can't do that, then you most certainly have no right to defend your faith as a mod.

 

[stray bullet]

Denominations are a culture based on the doctrines of men, Christ is a Person, based on divine life.

Denominations came from when men decided they knew more than those that Christ gave His authority to and started their own churches with their own man-made ideas. Sola Scriptura, which is found in this site's statement of faith, is one of those man-made, extra-biblical beliefs constructed in the 16th Century.

 

[Gary]

Lutherans do not follow Reformed theology? WOW.... was Martin Luther not a Reformer?

:-?

 

[stray bullet]

This sounds like it's encompassing all who are born-again believers in Christ. We are saved by grace through faith, and that is basically is saying. There is nothing here that seems to single out denominations.

Are you suggesting Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans and all other Christians that don't believe in the man-made notion of sola-scriptura aren't born again?

 

[cj]

Denominations came from when men decided they knew more than those that Christ gave His authority to and started their own churches with their own man-made ideas. Sola Scriptura, which is found in this site's statement of faith, is one of those man-made, extra-biblical beliefs constructed in the 16th Century.

No, not quite,...... christian believers were taking names for themselves from the days of Paul.

Or so scripture tells us.

In love,
cj

 

[Blazin Bones]

Stray, how about you take the Statement of faith, and use the Bible to find it's flaws if they are there. All I can see is someone who can't drop their "doctrines" to advance the most important truth, Christ's salvation.

2 Timothy 3:16

"The bible is the inspired, infallible, and only authoritative Word of God."

This statement in bold enforces the notion of Sola Scriptura, an idea introduced during the Reformation. It does not come from the bible, it is not found in the bible and it is not supported by the bible.

It also contradicts the beliefs of Catholics, Orthdox, Lutherans, Anglicans and others.
It asserts the beliefs of Baptists, Calvinists and similiar churches and denominations that believe in Reformationalists ideas.

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

If we are wrong, it is your responsibility to use the word of God to teach us otherwsie.

 

[stray bullet]

Hey Stray, Gary gave you the SOF, what in there is anti-catholic or anything else. Prove errors with the SOF throught the Bible, God's Word. If you can't do that, then you most certainly have no right to defend your faith as a mod.

Please read my response to "antitox", I have thoroughly explained what is wrong in the part of your statement of faith.

 

[stray bullet]

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

If we are wrong, it is your responsibility to use the word of God to teach us otherwsie.

That's not the part I was referring to. All Christians believe that scripture is inspired by God.

The problem is that your statement of faith tacks on to that the notion of sola-scriptura, where the bible is the ONLY authority... which is can't be.

 

[Gary]

Lutherans do not follow Reformed theology? WOW.... was Martin Luther not a Reformer?

:-?

 

[stray bullet]

Denominations came from when men decided they knew more than those that Christ gave His authority to and started their own churches with their own man-made ideas. Sola Scriptura, which is found in this site's statement of faith, is one of those man-made, extra-biblical beliefs constructed in the 16th Century.

No, not quite,...... christian believers were taking names for themselves from the days of Paul.

Or so scripture tells us.

In love,
cj

There were not separate Christian groups at the time of Paul, they were all part of the Church. People have designated their groups, but not separated.

 

[cly]

This sounds like it's encompassing all who are born-again believers in Christ. We are saved by grace through faith, and that is basically is saying. There is nothing here that seems to single out denominations.

Are you suggesting Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans and all other Christians that don't believe in the man-made notion of sola-scriptura aren't born again?

I'm not even sure what "sola scriptura" is, Stray. I have never claimed to be a scholar at Bible study. All I know is that to be called a child of God, one must believe that Jesus was born in human form, lived a sinless life, died on the cross for our sins, rose again, and now sits at the right hand of God in Glory. I don't know the differences between denominations or the like. If you believe what the Bible says about Jesus and His life, and if you have repented of your sins and accepted the gift of Jesus' sacrifice, then you are born again.

Galatians 5:15 Something to keep in mind as we discuss this obviously sensitive subject.

 

[Blazin Bones]

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

If we are wrong, it is your responsibility to use the word of God to teach us otherwsie.

That's not the part I was referring to. All Christians believe that scripture is inspired by God.

The problem is that your statement of faith tacks on to that the notion of sola-scriptura, where the bible is the ONLY authority... which is can't be.

Then prove your point with His word.

God alone is my authority, but the Bible is the #1 way to determine God's path aside from His directly speaking to you. This therefore, is why the Scripture should be given such authority. I agree that it's not God, but it does hold His words to us, and until Christ has made His pysical return, the Bible is God's word, and we are to obey it.

 

[stray bullet]

Lutherans do not follow Reformed theology? WOW.... was Martin Luther not a Reformer?

:-?

"Reformationist" are a separate group from Lutherans. George Bush isn't a "Democrat", but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe in democracy.

Lutherans believe that Tradition is authoritative, as well as the bible.

 

[stray bullet]

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

If we are wrong, it is your responsibility to use the word of God to teach us otherwsie.

That's not the part I was referring to. All Christians believe that scripture is inspired by God.

The problem is that your statement of faith tacks on to that the notion of sola-scriptura, where the bible is the ONLY authority... which is can't be.

Then prove your point with His word.

Prove what? The nature of Sola-scriptura is historical fact.

"Sola scriptura (Latin By Scripture alone) is one of five important slogans of the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. It meant that Scripture is the only infallible rule for deciding issues of faith and practices that involve doctrines. The intention of the Reformation was to "correct" the Catholic Church by appeal to the uniqueness of the Bible's authority, and to reject Christian tradition as a source of original authority alongside the Bible or in addition to the Bible." - wikipedia.com

It is not biblical because it was created in the 16th Century. Therei s absolutely nothing in the bible to support it.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Stray, you just don't get it. If you want to prove Sola Scriptura is wrong, than Use the word of God to do so.

God most certainly is our final authority, however He's given us the Bible to show us what things we must do to follow him. That is why the Bible is our Authority. If you can teach us otherwise with God's word, than please do so.

 

[stray bullet]

Stray, you just don't get it. If you want to prove Sola Scriptura is wrong, than Use the word of God to do so.

God most certainly is our final authority, however He's given us the Bible to show us what things we must do to follow him. That is why the Bible is our Authority. If you can teach us otherwise with God's word, than please do so.

Can you or can you not show me where in your statement of faith the idea that the bible is the ONLY authority?

Surely, you wouldn't let a man-made belief slip into your statement of faith unless it was biblically supported. You wouldn't have something in your statement of faith unless it was in the bible right? So where is it?

Are millions of history books wrong, including encyclipedias and dictionaries? Books which point out the historical truth the sola scriptura, (which means only by (or soley) scripture), was a belief men made in the 16th Century?

If you want to get into a tangent about the authority of Tradition and Magisterium, in addition to Scipture, that's fine. However, that would side tract from the fact your statement of faith still has sola scriptura in it.

 

[antitox]

"The bible is the inspired, infallible, and only authoritative Word of

We do not believe this because our beliefs predate the bible, which was canonized in the 4th Century. That and the fact it doesn't make logic sense. The bible can't be infallible and the only authority in Christianity unless it came from an infallible and authoritive source. Someone had to decide what books were true and what books in the bible weren't. Someone had to declare the bible as being infallible and the only authoritative word of God.

Furthermore, there is nothing in the bible that says it is the only authoritative Word of God, so such a statement is logically and self contradicting.

The Catholic (and Orthodox) Church is apostolic, meaning that our leaders are direct succesors of the apostles. Christ gave authority to the original apostles, who then appointed other apostles (such as Matthias in Acts). It is this authority that the Church has that can declare the bible is infallible and authoritative. If I agreed with your statement of faith, then I would be rejecting the very authority Christ gave the apostles.

Well that's a very good reason you are not a moderator. My gosh, man, to write the bible off means that absolutes can be ignored. Either you believe that God has provided this document to keep us in a straight line and to reveal His nature or I would question whether you really know Him at all, because it would leave everything open for relativism, and that's man's way of picking and choosing whatever he desires like a buffet line and rejecting what he doesn't want. You can't even get near to God with that philosophy because it is only man-centered.

 

[stray bullet]

Well that's a very good reason you are not a moderator. My gosh, man, to write the bible off means that absolutes can be ignored. Either you believe that God has provided this document to keep us in a straight line and to reveal His nature or I would question whether you really know Him at all, because it would leave everything open for relativism, and that's man's way of picking and choosing whatever he desires like a buffet line and rejecting what he doesn't want. You can't even get near to God with that philosophy because it is only man-centered.

I believe the bible is the word of God! I certainly don't write it off. Please read what I wrote. What I reject is the idea the bible is the only authority. That's a man-made idea, there's nothing about it in the bible!