WHY ISN'T THIS GENERATION GETTING MARRIED?

[MayGodHeal]

Riven the problems won't away though...

 

[jasonc]

If you focus on the negative then that's all you will see

 

[MayGodHeal]

jasonc it's like when your basement is flooding do you just ignore the problem? Essentially it's like that. Our basement is flooded and its rising.

Hell is empty and all the devils are here. We need a cleansing soon...

 

[jasonc]

jasonc it's like when your basement is flooding do you just ignore the problem? Essentially it's like that. Our basement is flooded and its rising.

Hell is empty and all the devils are here. We need a cleansing soon...

Sir I battle depression .

I can have life pretty good and no problems and suicide will call me .


Do you really think that the early Christians had it easy ?

No they didn't. They didn't have a church out in the open with some pointy steeple but met in secret for fear of death.

They saved babies dumped in the trash heap .they didn't shirk from the calling to be the hands of God

 

[Highway54]

I agree. And I agree that it began in the 60's.
Now, some here, like ezrider , for instance,
believe all this trouble began in the 80's.
They must be younger and don't really know the history of all that is happening.
The family, the glue of society, becoming extinct under our very eyes.

I am 69, somewhat lived the 60's. I can say with my years of experience it is shocking to see the deterioration of society which seems to be escalating. No doubt in my mind, we are quite near the outbreak of the great tribulation.

 

[GodsGrace]

I am 69, somewhat lived the 60's. I can say with my years of experience it is shocking to see the deterioration of society which seems to be escalating. No doubt in my mind, we are quite near the outbreak of the great tribulation.

Agreed.
How much further can we go?
And with artificial intelligence looming?
What a mess.
It's shocking to me that some our age are unable to see what's happening.
We have to forgive the young generation.
They were born into this and have nothing to compare it to. This is why they're able to accept all this garbage we're having to put up with.

 

[GodsGrace]

Are persons avoiding marriage due to the doom and gloom?

 

[jasonc]

I repeat ,maybe because my wife has family with a broken family history I say this ,there was in no time a perfect functionally marriage as a whole .

Sure it got more respect but the fact of Florida and the wild west tendency of gambling and prostitution makes see otherwise .

There were shanty towns outside of military bases that were well.

Known whore houses in the speak easy days locally .

 

[Tenchi]

When I married my husband (back in the caveman days) we had nothing.
We desired to live together to share our life, and we would build our life
together, but being married and not each one of us living in their parents
home, but building our own home.

What has changed?
Why does the current generation prefer to live together instead of getting married?
Is there fear, uncertainty?
What?

Why aren't young persons of today getting married?

It's part of the judgment of God on nations that have turned their backs on Him, as per Romans 1. There are many unforeseen consequences that arise as nations make themselves the pinnacle of human existence and become unmoored, as a result, from any authoritative, objective morality and transcendent meaning and purpose for living. Without God, not just a Judeo-Christian ethic, life is absurd and ultimately pointless and folks know it, consciously or unconsciously. This shows up in increasing general ennui, existential malaise, and pathological selfishness that is, in turn, reflected in a total disinterest in the self-sacrifice of marriage and child-rearing.

Negative birth rates can only be sustained for a generation or two by a nation, however, before the resulting population decline gains such momentum that it cannot be reversed. Because this is so, within the next fifty years or so, most European nations (if not all) will become artifacts of history, as will Japan and various other nations. It looks to me like Europe, particularly, will be overtaken by Islam through sheer numbers, Muslim people having six or seven (and more) times the number of children that Europeans do. The States appears to be in the same overturning of culture, as Hispanic people from South America have flooded into the country. As well, Japan declared a population crisis some time ago, the majority of it's younger citizens refusing to marry and have children. In the vacuum created by these depopulating, "first world" nations, more "virile" but less affluent populations, eager for "first world" affluence, are crowding in.

Of course, these migrating peoples bring with them all of the attitudes, ethics and beliefs that have helped keep their home nations violent, destitute and oppressive. As they filter into the sick and collapsing European nations, these migrants simply establish in their new home the same societies they thought to escape and find, in a sort of terrible irony, that they have not really left their old life for a new, better one.

Anyway, I'm rambling a bit now, but this stuff is all tied ultimately to nations spurning God. No nation can do so with impunity.

 

[Riven]

Riven the problems won't away though...

They never go away. There's always problems.

 

[MayGodHeal]

It doesn't really matter anyways considering the fact I never cared much for marriage and kids. Problems are overbearing, everywhere you go there's always someone around. The only isolation I get is at home which is peaceful. Yeah you'll always have problems because we never address any of them and when it's out of control you'll never solved them.

If I was in my 20s I'd say solve it but being in my 40s your too late. Reproductive health falls after around 35 and it gets worse if you haven't eaten healthy.

You got problems, get them solved because even in the 21st century of manufacturing food available in stores people are still starving. That and homelessness is both solvable but we're hampered down by lack of funding but wait that's because of greed and the dysfunction of political figures. I'm smart and wise enough to know these problems are solvable, we're just too ignorant to actually put the effort into it and would rather spend it on shiny new electric vehicles. In the end you're just living to survive.

One thing us Christians should be doing is praying. Not criticizing or giving excuses why something can't be done. If we can build all this wonderful technology we can then fix our social crisises. If you don't want young children to grow up feeling like me, that feels there isnt a future then you gotta start addressing the problems here. No one is saying you gotta solve them, just address them.

Oftentimes it's the people who have the most power and money who are not seeing the problems or fixing them when they may not even know how to solve them. Not necessarily they're greedy, just that they need guidance.

Declines in marriage and kids often show a greater problem. Someone who is homeless may never had the chance to have kids because they went through life without having that chance, because they were discarded for some reason. Though it may be due to drug or alcohol addiction.. it's the lack of embracing God is what has led us to this point.

Where we have people destroying our energy and food needs because of climate hysteria. You can get through a rocky foundation of problems but like soldiers with PTSD you end up feeling tired and broken.

I don't have to focus on the problems, I'm seeing and dealing with it every day. In traffic with angry, impatient drivers. See homeless people camped out on highway exits, I cringe everytime gas prices go up which means less spending money at the end, roads are terrible tearing up cars, adding up repair costs, problems at work.

And there isnt much you can do about it. By then is it worth it to continue on with this when everyday is the same thing different day?

My parents had the same money issues, I thought I wouldnt have if I stayed single. Turns out I couldn't escape it either. My grandparents on both sides grew up and didnt have these money issues. They had their own set of problems, but it was nothing like what we're dealing with today. They got to live the life most of us probably wish we had gotten.

 

[MayGodHeal]

Something that we seem to be struggling with here is addressing problems. People not getting married and having kids? Money problems, problems with economy? Address them, you dont know how, pray on it. Problems with road rage? Address it or pray on it. Problems with government? Get a new government or get the politicians in line?

You will always have more problems when you're not following the handy chart I posted above.

People are not getting married? Well.. when people are trying to tell you the problems they got the solution to them getting married is address those problems or pray on it.

We got a major problem here on earth and it's not addressing and solving problems. Not saying they can't be solved but often times seeing there is a problem and coming up with ideas is when you can start working up solutions and it's not going to be perfect but if you're seeing the problem and putting an effort into coming up with ideas then you're effectively dealing with that problem.

And yes we do tend to ignore or run away from our problems, I have my own set of problems I ignore or run away from because there isn't any ideas on how to solve them yet. Most of them are personal issues but when we're ignoring and neglecting issues it's going to get worse.

The failing of humanity has been ignored for decades, inflation, monetary issues, available jobs, finding the right job, ect.. if it's not getting addressed its going to be like our roads, continuing to deteriorate. Just like politics and pretty much a lot of things have been neglected. Covid was supposed to be a wakeup call but we're still doing the same things and it's even worse in some cases.

Then you also have an administration that is holding back our energy needs as an example. So it's not only neglect its evil. We have a lot of work to do if you're expecting young adults to get married and have kids, a lot of prayers and a ton of work.

 

[BroRoyVa79]

MayGodHeal,

I'm going to reply to a couple of posts you made because every post you make you have one frame of mind, one way of looking at things, which is NOT wrong, but is also why you can't realize that you're sort of trapped in that frame of mind and that you could be, emphasis on the fact that I'm not trying to speak for God here nor do I know what you do outside of this forum, so again could be missing obvious signs and/or your calling to be standing against these things.

BroRoyVa79 when people reject Satan and trust in Christ and not only follow but start listening and fulfilling Gods wishes is when there is profound hope.

Many people operate on blind faith and that may work to an extent but sooner or later people have to trust in God and fulfill his wishes. We can pray for better political leaders, it takes people listening to God to make it work.

None of this is really new. America is the unique experiment. But I believe I can make a convincing argument that the ideas of America, while also good and arguably the best that intelligent human beings could come up with at the time, also paved the way for things that are happening as they are. Most people, Christian or not, are absorbed with their day to day lives and only care about politics and legislation when it's going to impact or has already started to influence those day to day lives and their personal ideas.

I can make a convincing argument that Christians in the West have been lulled to sleep by the privileges of, up until now and the future, the freedom to practice religion unfettered by the "system" but/and because of that, they/we, let themselves/ourselves get comfortable, saying "peace and safety" when "sudden destruction" is coming upon us. And then we watch like a deer in headlights, mesmerized by the outright, unabashed, destruction coming our way. Completely, totally, absolutely forgetting we have the King of Kings, Creator of All Things, Master of the Universe, God among those who think themselves to be "gods" on our side.

Either that or...

Christian's also tend to be pessimistic about things, sometimes all some see is the abyss. Whenever I see a problem, obviously prayer is the best answer but also how can this problem get solved? Biggest problem today is evil is running the asylum.

We fall into hopelessness if we don't develop temporary amnesia that we're in and have always been in a constant spiritual war since the serpent manipulated Eve who rebelled and then Adam chose to rebel or I should say, since the rebellion in the spiritual realm brought it's supernatural civil war down to us. It's been problems since then. Problems for nearly every patriarch, matriarch, prophet, king, queen, judge, priest, teacher, rabbi, etc. we read about in the Bible.

In this sense, it's also a state of forgetfulness. We forget the account of Job, the account of Elijah who thought he was the lone wolf prophet in the land but had to be corrected by God that he wasn't the only one, the account of Moses who grieved the sin of his people, Jonah who thought it was worthless to pass God's message to Nineveh, etc. etc. Even in the scriptures we see that human beings who regularly watched the Power of God manifested before them....forgot...and fell into despair.

As I said before, this does and has happened to me. I'm no better, but I told you that because it was my testimony to use as an example of what to be vigilant against. We fall into despair about the world because we care, we can't see God's full plan worked out, and in our day and age, we can't see the visible manifestation of God's power every few events, but we know it's there. (Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 [ESV])

Sometimes like these days, you can't escape the abyss... even if you can avoid staring into the abyss.

You can stop looking into the abyss if you're currently not ready for it. However, given my own experience with this, I also fully understand you might be going through an experience God is taking you through and will pull you out of it when it's time so that, like me, you have that experience to fall back on to minister others who fall into the abyss and forget who has their back if they're believers.

You know that saying when life gets it the way of starting or finishing those projects of yours? Sometimes life keeps you away from getting married/having a family. I don't even have enough money to go on a date with anyone. I never anticipated that property taxes would skyrocket (right before Covid hit), let alone costs rose as well.

Work on yourself. Work on what you need to work on. Do what you can with what you've been given. Don't worry about circumstances beyond your control. My only word of caution in all of this has been revisit your mindset, don't be so locked in a doom and gloom frame of mindset that you miss things, so that, if it is the Lord's will and He brings to you a woman who could help with all that, help with making ends meet, help with whatever, fall into the missing puzzle piece in your life or whatever...then...you won't miss it.

Don't take this as me telling you that you have to get married. This is me telling you to stop worrying about the abyss if it's time for you to stop worrying about it. Or if you're going to worry about it, focus on what power and influence you've been given/blessed with to do something about it.

 

[Highway54]

Agreed.
How much further can we go?
And with artificial intelligence looming?
What a mess.
It's shocking to me that some our age are unable to see what's happening.
We have to forgive the young generation.
They were born into this and have nothing to compare it to. This is why they're able to accept all this garbage we're having to put up with.

How much further can we go? What is your interpretation of this verse maam?: Mt 24:22 And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect`s sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's part of the judgment of God on nations that have turned their backs on Him, as per Romans 1. There are many unforeseen consequences that arise as nations make themselves the pinnacle of human existence and become unmoored, as a result, from any authoritative, objective morality and transcendent meaning and purpose for living. Without God, not just a Judeo-Christian ethic, life is absurd and ultimately pointless and folks know it, consciously or unconsciously. This shows up in increasing general ennui, existential malaise, and pathological selfishness that is, in turn, reflected in a total disinterest in the self-sacrifice of marriage and child-rearing.

Yes. Just as there are consequences to personally disobeying God, there will also be consequences of nations not obeying. I see the craziness going on and it's absolutely due to the fact that persons are becoming atheist and not obeying the laws of God.... we become unmoored, nice analogy.
And it's also true that being married and raising children requires many sacrifices and hardships.
They're worth it in the end (and as they're happening), but, unfortunately, we like to enjoy today and not worry about tomorrow. The tomorrow when the family line has ended, and persons are left to battle life alone.
To speak nothing about keeping the human race going...we're not even replacing ourselves.

Negative birth rates can only be sustained for a generation or two by a nation, however, before the resulting population decline gains such momentum that it cannot be reversed. Because this is so, within the next fifty years or so, most European nations (if not all) will become artifacts of history, as will Japan and various other nations. It looks to me like Europe, particularly, will be overtaken by Islam through sheer numbers, Muslim people having six or seven (and more) times the number of children that Europeans do. The States appears to be in the same overturning of culture, as Hispanic people from South America have flooded into the country. As well, Japan declared a population crisis some time ago, the majority of it's younger citizens refusing to marry and have children. In the vacuum created by these depopulating, "first world" nations, more "virile" but less affluent populations, eager for "first world" affluence, are crowding in.

I think Europe purposefully decided to make Europe more African. I don't mean black,,,a person could be black but be Italian, for instance, but a person could also be black but not be Italian. It's the non-Italian persons from the African continent (by necessity they happen to be black) that have really changed the big cities. Not so much the tourist areas...but the residential areas. I won't go into detail. Let's just say that life has changed.
(I live in a very small town, far away from the madding crowd - really).

Of course, these migrating peoples bring with them all of the attitudes, ethics and beliefs that have helped keep their home nations violent, destitute and oppressive. As they filter into the sick and collapsing European nations, these migrants simply establish in their new home the same societies they thought to escape and find, in a sort of terrible irony, that they have not really left their old life for a new, better one.

Wow. Well put!
I love your posts.
You said exactly what I meant just above.
Believe me it's not skin color.
We have some gypsies that are white and are ruining some areas.
It's what you've stated above.
Is it racism? Yeah. Probably. I'm trying to protect MY race....(those like myself, whatever color)...
but it's too late.

Anyway, I'm rambling a bit now, but this stuff is all tied ultimately to nations spurning God. No nation can do so with impunity.

Agreed.
When God disappears, things go awry.
No absolute morality,
No civil population.

 

[GodsGrace]

Something that we seem to be struggling with here is addressing problems. People not getting married and having kids? Money problems, problems with economy? Address them, you dont know how, pray on it. Problems with road rage? Address it or pray on it. Problems with government? Get a new government or get the politicians in line?

You will always have more problems when you're not following the handy chart I posted above.

People are not getting married? Well.. when people are trying to tell you the problems they got the solution to them getting married is address those problems or pray on it.

We got a major problem here on earth and it's not addressing and solving problems. Not saying they can't be solved but often times seeing there is a problem and coming up with ideas is when you can start working up solutions and it's not going to be perfect but if you're seeing the problem and putting an effort into coming up with ideas then you're effectively dealing with that problem.

And yes we do tend to ignore or run away from our problems, I have my own set of problems I ignore or run away from because there isn't any ideas on how to solve them yet. Most of them are personal issues but when we're ignoring and neglecting issues it's going to get worse.

The failing of humanity has been ignored for decades, inflation, monetary issues, available jobs, finding the right job, ect.. if it's not getting addressed its going to be like our roads, continuing to deteriorate. Just like politics and pretty much a lot of things have been neglected. Covid was supposed to be a wakeup call but we're still doing the same things and it's even worse in some cases.

Then you also have an administration that is holding back our energy needs as an example. So it's not only neglect its evil. We have a lot of work to do if you're expecting young adults to get married and have kids, a lot of prayers and a ton of work.

Hi MayGodHeal,
I read both of your posts and I very much agree with them, but I also read into them a lot of hopelessness on your part.

Actually, I feel the same. I feel that, for the time being, nothing too much will change (for the better).
But what I do is concentrate on my day to day life and on my family....
Whatever our family happens to be. I was married with kids so there's more people.
Maybe you have your parents, or siblings.
Make the most of it and spread your love for them.
Make the most with what you have.

We won't be changing the world, but we could make our little world better.
I like very much what BroRoyVa79 wrote to you and there's not much more I could add to what he said.

Praise God that you know Him.

 

[GodsGrace]

How much further can we go? What is your interpretation of this verse maam?: Mt 24:22 And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect`s sake those days shall be shortened.

Well H, I guess it means even harder times are coming.
But I'm not sure what Jesus meant about the world seeing hard times such as it has never seen.
I tend to think of wars and famine, lack of water, nature turning on us....things such as this.

What I'm talking about in my previous post is more about moral problems.
Problems that man himself is creating.
Think of artificial intelligence.
It's difficult for me to accept that we're going forward with this science.
It should be stopped immediately.
What crazy idea is it to create something smarter than we are?

Maybe in the end you're right.
It all works out the same.
Maybe that will be the end.

 

[Highway54]

Well H, I guess it means even harder times are coming.
But I'm not sure what Jesus meant about the world seeing hard times such as it has never seen.
I tend to think of wars and famine, lack of water, nature turning on us....things such as this.

What I'm talking about in my previous post is more about moral problems.
Problems that man himself is creating.
Think of artificial intelligence.
It's difficult for me to accept that we're going forward with this science.
It should be stopped immediately.
What crazy idea is it to create something smarter than we are?

Maybe in the end you're right.
It all works out the same.
Maybe that will be the end.

Well H, I guess it means even harder times are coming.

I would say that you are correct maam.

What I'm talking about in my previous post is more about moral problems.
Problems that man himself is creating.
Think of artificial intelligence.
It's difficult for me to accept that we're going forward with this science.
It should be stopped immediately.
What crazy idea is it to create something smarter than we are?

Look at it this way, if God doesn't exist, what does it matter, it might turn out to be like Gort on the movie The Day the Earth Stood still. They maintained the peace.

If God does exist however, as we have seen He will step in when the time is appropriate, so nothing we can do will end us. Time alone will reveal the truth.

 

[MayGodHeal]

BroRoyVa79 wondering I think you're confusing hopelessness with the reality of things that we're not solving issues that can be solved.

Yeah, the future looks bleak when we allow Satan to control us. Americans for an example allows this. But that's besides the point, when humanity doesn't care then should I be concerned with getting married, have kids? It's not the fact that bad things happen it's the fact we allow them to happen when its solvable.

I pay taxes so we have roads to drive on but they're not being maintained yet society still pays those taxes. Instead we have politicians using those taxes to buy things we don't really need. We need better roads, that's what our tax money is for. Then it's an excuse to raise our taxes.

When you no longer have a society working together it makes it difficult to survive. I know our ancestors lived on less but at the same time it's all they knew and needed at the time.

My point being if you want people to get married and have kids you need a strong foundation. I don't have enough money to date anyone. It's not a big deal because I'm not concerned with that. Been trying to get people to think and see what's around them but some just want to drink, flirt with women and have a good time, not worrying about earths political and spiritual problems.

To me that's just mindless procreation, in a constant cycle and you're just like a hamster running on a wheel. But then they complain when everything is expensive and they can't do the things they used to or whatever. And that's fine.. however it's just a disconnect from the reality of things.

It's like this wheel bearing/hub assembly on my car. I keep hitting potholes on that particular one and already replaced it twice, one due to old age and again for hitting a pothole. Of course hitting another pothole its making noise again.

I'm trying to make it last and I know eventually it will need replacing, being on the driveline side, dont want it locking up. Now I'm worried about it, because I don't want to be stuck on the side of the highway if it does fall apart or damage my transmission. The right thing to do is to just replace it, but I'm out $200 on something that had replaced twice already

Of course that's not my point here. My point is some people will ignore it until their car doesn't move and then a $200 fix turns into a $2,000+ nightmare. And this is how our society operates. We wait until disaster happens. Now in my case with my limited income I'm kind of forced to hold off on replacing it, I also got another side that the sensor is malfunctioning and normally if the bad wheel bearing isnt functioning good enough it would set off the sensor, but with the other side not working right (which may also need to be replaced then, which I had just also done) I don't have that information where if the bad side has a problem it would show up on the dash, prompting me to just replace it.

So I gotta operate on blind faith that I would get enough warning where I gotta get the car to the shop. But well its making noise under 50mph and in some cases 55 (hard to tell with the engine drone).

But if you are just running on blind faith you're going to have problems. Now I may not have kids, but I still have money problems. And I see that we're living in a society where we gotta spend more money despite we don't have enough money.

Getting married for me isn't a priority. I stated why. We got a lot of problems that need addressing. I think we need to work with what have we have and get through it to make the world a better place so we're not burdened by everyday life.

 

[jasonc]

Well H, I guess it means even harder times are coming.
But I'm not sure what Jesus meant about the world seeing hard times such as it has never seen.
I tend to think of wars and famine, lack of water, nature turning on us....things such as this.

What I'm talking about in my previous post is more about moral problems.
Problems that man himself is creating.
Think of artificial intelligence.
It's difficult for me to accept that we're going forward with this science.
It should be stopped immediately.
What crazy idea is it to create something smarter than we are?

Maybe in the end you're right.
It all works out the same.
Maybe that will be the end.

Ai ?
That is another thread