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Why many stumble.. Amillennialism and Replacement Theology

sigh, you dont get it.

is every jew that ever lived since christ automatically saved, arent all jews and the others from the other tribes isreal?

yes to the laters, so if they are and die rejecting christ they arent isreal.

those whom accept christ are the isreal. that is all i have said and you couldnt even tell me that. you didnt even realise that some churches teach the jews dont need christ and go in by the law.

God per paul says
Romans 11



1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a REMNANT according to the ELECTION of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen

vs 5 says what i have stated alll along, a portion of the jews will be saved.

not every jew alive or will come .God is raising up the nation of isreal. so that can just be in the trib this happens.

it was happening in pauls time. and jews are coming to christ, but the time of when the sanhedrin has yet to happen yet.
 
sigh, you dont get it.

Yeah sorry Jason.. your English is tough to follow..

is every jew that ever lived since christ automatically saved, arent all jews and the others from the other tribes isreal?

This question simply makes me think that you haven't read anything I've written in this thread.. how many times would you like me to share my thoughts..?

those whom accept christ are the isreal.

I disagree.. the church of God IS NOT the Israel of God. If you embrace replacement theology, maybe you should have simply stated that.

that is all i have said and you couldnt even tell me that. you didnt even realise that some churches teach the jews dont need christ and go in by the law.

How do you know what I realize..? And for the record Jason.. I do know that some people teach this.. now would you like to show me where I HAVE taught that ?
 
Have you ever been angry at a television commercial? Many commercials manipulate people’s emotions and make misleading promises. It is easy to become desensitized to this. However, when I see commercials that make something that is meaningful and noble into a sales pitch, it arouses my sensitivities. The loftier the sentiment the more upset I become to see it manipulated via commercials. For example, I hate seeing the concept of love used to line people’s pockets, as though the right car or right phone or right gift of jewelry will result in a satisfying relationship.

Recently two commercials pitched specifically to Christians—asking them to give money to support Israel—made me particularly angry.

“Wait a minute,†you say. “Don’t you want Christians to support Israel?†Yes I do, and that’s exactly why I am angry. Allow me to explain.

The first commercial is sponsored by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein’s organization, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. It aired on the Fox News Channel quite a bit, especially during and after the war between Israel and Hezbollah last August and September (and is still being aired as I write). It speaks of Israelis suffering because of the war and shows footage of the rabbi comforting an elderly Jewish woman who is crying inconsolably. (I could be mistaken, but the footage was so very familiar that I think it was recycled from his previous infomercial requesting help for Russian Jews.) The rabbi’s voiceover reminds Christians of their duty to bless and comfort Israel, and assures them that by giving to his organization they will fulfill that duty.

Rabbi Eckstein is tapping into a very deep, strong current of Christian emotion when he speaks of the importance of supporting Israel, praying for the peace of Jerusalem and blessing the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I am so grateful for the genuine, Bible-based conviction behind Christian love for Israel. I believe it is a God-given commitment that is very, very special.

But why do so many Christians respond to Rabbi Eckstein’s appeals for Bible-based support (evangelicals in America have given over a quarter of a billion dollars for this fundraising effort) for projects that have nothing to do with reconciling Jewish people to God? I can understand it to a certain extent, inasmuch as Eckstein’s approach to Christians, in my opinion, is ambiguous at best and has misled many in the Church, who think he is a Jewish Christian. They do not know that some of the funds Rabbi Eckstein collects go to groups that oppose efforts to tell Jewish people that they need to know Jesus as Messiah and Lord. However, the high profile Christian leaders who deal with Eckstein certainly know that he is not a Christian. Still, they encourage Christians to express their love for Jewish people by giving to leaders who are spiritually blind. Because yes, as offensive as that statement sounds, the Bible does say that without Jesus, my people are blind (Romans 11:25).

Am I saying that only Christian ministries can do good? Not at all! I am saying that when someone taps into your spiritual, biblical motive to love the people of Israel or anyone else, what flows from that love should have spiritual, biblical impact.

The second commercial is even more difficult for me to understand than the first. It is produced by well-known Christian televangelist John Hagee. Many Christians understandably appreciate Rev. Hagee’s support for Israel, his messages on television and his best-selling books. But now Rev. Hagee wants Christian donations to help build an Orthodox Jewish school for orphans in Israel. We watch as he shakes hands with an Orthodox rabbi in front of the half-built school. We are then encouraged to give donations. Suggested amounts start at $1,000.

Of course we should care for orphans in Israel and elsewhere! But is building Orthodox Jewish schools the best way for Christians to do this? In these schools, Jewish orphans will be taught that Jesus is not for Jewish people, and that Jews who trust Him as Messiah and Lord are traitors to God and the Jewish people. I am not blaming the rabbis for teaching this, for that is what they believe. But what does John Hagee believe? If there is one thing in common between Rabbi Eckstein and Rev. Hagee it is that the vast sums of cash they raise will never, ever be used in any way to make the name of Jesus known to the Jewish people.

And therein lays a great irony, an amazing mystery, a stunning tragedy. Evangelical Christian donations in America are funding anti-Jesus education and instruction for my Jewish people in Israel. Can anyone explain this to me? Help me understand. Please! I can understand that Rabbi Eckstein would be satisfied with this outcome. But what about Rev. Hagee? No one doubts his faith that Jesus is the Messiah.

John Hagee seems to believe that when the Apostle Paul states, “. . . and thus all Israel will be saved†(Romans 11:26), he was declaring that Jewish people have an automatic pass, so they don’t need to believe in Jesus in this life in order to be with Him in the next. Furthermore, Hagee indicates that since God placed a veil over the eyes of Jewish people, it is futile for Christians to share Christ with them.

Thankfully, many Christians are concerned enough to share their faith with Jewish people and, as those of us in Jews for Jesus can attest, God has used those efforts to lift the veil from many Jewish eyes. For the time being, those of us who receive Christ are in the minority, but we would be even fewer if all Christians thought as Rev. Hagee does. His kind of theology fails to address Paul’s gut-wrenching profession of great sorrow and unceasing anguish, and even his wish that he himself could be accursed for the sake of his brethren (Romans 9:1).

If there is no consequence to Jewish unbelief, why would Paul be in such anguish? What do we do with Scriptures that clearly teach that believing with one’s heart and confessing with one’s mouth are necessary for salvation (Romans 10:9)? Those who think this refers to Gentiles only need to read the rest of the chapter! But if there is indeed so grave a consequence to Jewish rejection of Jesus, why is it that John Hagee and others don’t seem to realize or speak to their danger of eternal damnation?! Help me understand. Please!

Isolating certain texts, failing to read them in their context, and neglecting to compare them with the clear teaching of other Scriptures is a recipe for false interpretation. This is a life and death issue. And I don’t mean to pick on John Hagee exclusively. I am equally upset by mega-church leaders who invest their time advising rabbis on ways to grow larger synagogues, rather than advising them that Jesus—and the narrow road that He pointed to—is the way of salvation.

It pains me that believers in Jesus who read their Bibles nevertheless feel their Christian duty to Jewish people can be fulfilled through supporting those who don’t believe that Jews need Jesus. Christians seem to understand that Muslims need Jesus, and that Buddhists, animists and atheists need Jesus. But what about Jewish people, the ones to whom the prophets prophesied, the ones who are called the people of the Book, the ones over whom Jesus wept and for whom Paul was willing to be cut off from Christ? Otherwise discerning Christians seem to develop a great deal of uncertainty and angst when it comes to Jewish souls. Those who struggle with this issue mean well, but they often miss the implications of their own uncertainties.

Almost every believer who was not raised in a Christian home can tell you that at some point, someone risked offending them by explaining their need for Jesus. Yet many Christians whose friends are perishing seem so intent on protecting their friendships, as though if they pray enough, the friendship itself could somehow save the person with no risk involved. I would never underestimate the importance of friendship in a witness, but when the gospel message is made clear, there is always some risk of rejection. Until folks realize that the risk of their friends going to a Christless eternity is more terrible than the risk of losing a friendship, their witness will be compromised.

I think you know that my request for help understanding all of this is rhetorical because I’m pointing out a serious problem. There is no way to make it out as anything other than a problem. And the solution is you. I hope that you who realize the need to evangelize Jews (and everyone else) will be salt and light wherever you see uncertainties cropping up in the Church concerning Jewish people’s need for faith in Jesus. And when someone makes an appeal for Christians to show their love for Jewish people, please remember that our love is incomplete at best and misleading at worst if it does not point beyond ourselves and to the One who loved us so much that He sent His Son to die, so that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM will not perish, but have eternal life.

this is from jewsforjesus.org.

note the verse that hagee claims , you came across to me as one who said that. and yes i can dig back and find it if you like from darby or scholfield the originators of the idea of futurism.

for the record, i can worship with jews for jesus and gentile christians,. same spirit, the former teaches and does the feasts the later doesnt both teach the cross is the way.
 
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i can if you want to go back a few yrs where by the the men like hagee teach this and also scofieldism.

the state of isreal is where i think we kinda differ.you say that God only deals with them as if all jews will be there in isreal in the trib.not even is that mentioned, the location of the jews in the trib isnt just in the city of isreal that is where that battle takes place and for , harmeggido if i'm right isnt far from jerusalem.

what i am trying to say is this: GOD IS RAISING UP JEWS THAT ARE FAITHFUL. YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT BE BEING IN CHURCH AND WORSHIPPING as gentiles on loses the jewishness, NOT so for if that was the case.. paul would have said something and its conjecture to assume that the gentiles and jews of then worshipped seperately. to assume that in the trib the jews and gentile save in isreal wont be side by side is illogical. they willl be in any form of worship.

and this has been sung in my church.

psalms 133. i cant upload the video as well my windows is too new for youtube

Song Lyrics


Henei ma tov umanaim
Shevet achim gam yachad
Sinei ma tov umanaim
Shevet achim gam yachad

Hinei ma tov (Henei ma tov)
Lai lai lai lai lai
Lai lai lai lai lai
Hinei ma tov (Henei ma tov)
Lai lai lai lai lai
Lai lai lai lai lai

Behold how good and
How pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together
Behold how good and
How pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together

In unity (In unity)
Lai lai lai lai lai
Lai lai lai lai lai
In unity (In unity)
Lai lai lai lai lai
Lai lai lai lai lai

if you can listen to paul wilbur.
he is a messanic jewish singer. look for the album shalom jersusalem and listen to the song baruch beshem adonai.

ok what constitutes a jewish believer? how is one of them today different then a trib saint?
 
this is from jewsforjesus.org.

note the verse that hagee claims , you came across to me as one who said that. and yes i can dig back and find it if you like from darby or scholfield the originators of the idea of futurism.

So now I'm John Haggee.. lol..

Yes, please show me where I have claimed that Jews are saved according to the LAW.. please.. this is your claim isn't it.

for the record, i can worship with jews for jesus and gentile christians,. same spirit, the former teaches and does the feasts the later doesnt both teach the cross is the way.

And for the record, I'll state once again.. the nation of Israel will be saved exactly the same way that everyone else is saved.. but right now that nation is cut off and their house is left desolate.. and they are blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in..

So according to this thread..

Are you amillennial ?

Do you embrace replacement theology ?
 
So now I'm John Haggee.. lol..

Yes, please show me where I have claimed that Jews are saved according to the LAW.. please.. this is your claim isn't it.



And for the record, I'll state once again.. the nation of Israel will be saved exactly the same way that everyone else is saved.. but right now that nation is cut off and their house is left desolate.. and they are blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in..

So according to this thread..

neither i say that the jews will come and have come as the gentiles do. i am prewrath millenialist.

and so i was cut off and blinded? i am a jew. you dont get more jewish then this cranman. i have traced my family back to russia. we buried my grandma according to jewish customs. jews dont get saved today?

this is where we differ. the sanhedrin accept the lord not the knesset of modern isreal. in that when they proclaim christ is messiah then the all those who agree and are from the whole house of isreal that aggree become isreal.

that doesnt exclude men and women like me and my family.i am as much part of isreal as they are. you confirmed that.

so what defines a jew and christian believer? think about it ,lineage or faith. all that we are disussing is a national revival allegalledly only in isreal. i think many a jew outside of isreal that dont got there or become isreali will be saved.

a man born of the seed of abraham is of the house of isreal in the flesh. so either if they as i did and a zillion other believe then isnt this land promise for us? yup.

so if a jew is saved and worships as us, it just means that God will save the jew as he promised, the leadership of the jews isnt to each and every jew of the said(not all are into judaism) the sanhedrin.

the sanhedrin alone must proclaim this in hebrew" baruchba be shem adonai" that is what that prophecy is about.
 
and so i was cut off and blinded? i am a jew. you dont get more jewish then this cranman. i have traced my family back to russia. we buried my grandma according to jewish customs. jews dont get saved today?

To borrow your phrase.. sigh.. you don't get it..

The NATION OF ISRAEL is blinded in part.. not Jews.. any Jew can place their faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ (as you have) and become a member of the church of God.. but what about all of the OT patriachs who never heard of Jesus of Nazareth and yet who were justified by their faith in the promises of God which they had at that time..?

This is what I believe Paul is talking about how that they're beloved for the sake of the fathers.. all of the patriachs in the OT which were justified by their faith (Heb 11) and yet never heard of Jesus of Nazareth.. they not members of the church of God, they're part of the Israel of God.. imo anyway.. lol..

The church of God is being built upon the confession of Jesus of Nazareth being the son of God.. the OT patriachs never knew who Jesus of Nazareth was, and yet they were all justified by their faith in the promises of God.
 
To borrow your phrase.. sigh.. you don't get it..

The NATION OF ISRAEL is blinded in part.. not Jews.. any Jew can place their faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ (as you have) and become a member of the church of God.. but what about all of the OT patriachs who never heard of Jesus of Nazareth and yet who were justified by their faith in the promises of God which they had at that time..?

This is what I believe Paul is talking about how that they're beloved for the sake of the fathers.. all of the patriachs in the OT which were justified by their faith (Heb 11) and yet never heard of Jesus of Nazareth.. they not members of the church of God, they're part of the Israel of God.. imo anyway.. lol..

The church of God is being built upon the confession of Jesus of Nazareth being the son of God.. the OT patriachs never knew who Jesus of Nazareth was, and yet they were all justified by their faith in the promises of God.


pm sent i can by the means i sent this to you brake this down way better.

so God is going to save the jewish faith so to speak, that will includes gentiles. in the jewish blood lines and i can send you verifable links to the tests, theres is some gentile blood from the times of christ afterwords.

the khazars are the origins of all jews everywhere . there were khazari converts.

i disagree slightly with and on abraham. and moses he preached about faith and that faith is nearly what we have, so in part they know jesus.

"for if ye knew moses, ye would know me" how is that possible if there isnt any type of knowledge.

moses was talked to god as man talks to a friend
abraham was a freind of God
david a man after god's heart

but a few of the type of relationship we have. i dont think these guys really had it that much different. yes they had the law but if we go to see God like they did we would have expercienced what they saw.

john did, and feel to his knees. in the book of revalation
 
pm sent i can by the means i sent this to you brake this down way better.

so God is going to save the jewish faith so to speak, that will includes gentiles. in the jewish blood lines and i can send you verifable links to the tests, theres is some gentile blood from the times of christ afterwords.

the khazars are the origins of all jews everywhere . there were khazari converts.

Jason, I'll be the first to admit that I don't have a clue when it comes to genetics or anything like that.. although what I see the scriptures teaching is that since Pentecost (or shortly thereafter), the NATION OF ISRAEL, along with its earthly ordinances, has been CUT OFF.. their house has been left desolate.. They (again, the NATION of Israel) have been blinded in part UNTIL the fulness of the GENTILES be come in.. and then all Israel shall be saved..

We also know that when the LORD comes and then sits upon the throne of His glory.. that His Apostles (Peter, James, John, etc) will also sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel..

This is what I see the scriptures saying.. and as Paul (the Apostle to the Gentiles) warns.. that we should not be ignorant of this mystery.. that's why I disagree with Replacement Theology and Amillennialism.

i disagree slightly with and on abraham. and moses he preached about faith and that faith is nearly what we have, so in part they know jesus.

"for if ye knew moses, ye would know me" how is that possible if there isnt any type of knowledge.

moses was talked to god as man talks to a friend
abraham was a freind of God
david a man after god's heart

but a few of the type of relationship we have. i dont think these guys really had it that much different. yes they had the law but if we go to see God like they did we would have expercienced what they saw.

john did, and feel to his knees. in the book of revalation

I don't believe that people in the OT were 'born again' by the Spirit of Christ.. we're told that the PROPHETS had the Spirit of Christ in them when they wrote the oracles of God.. although I don't believe that this pertains to all Israelites in general.. because if that were the case, then it would have been redundant for God to send the Holy Spirit at Pentecost... and we know that the Spirit had not yet been sent because Jesus had not yet been glorified..

People in the OT were justified by faith just like we are.. although the revelation which they had was clearly not what we have today with respect to Christ..

Where do we ever read in the OT that a person must lay down their life or lose it for the sake of the gospel.. ?

The LAW was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ... whom that NATION OF ISRAEL rejects to this day.. and as you mentioned.. it will be this way until they say blessedis He who comes in the name of the LORD..
 
when one says in context with proper exegis. its not the nation of isreal as we see today.


but rather the jews and proselytes that are into judaism.in pauls day a jew was a man or woman(jewess) that was follower of the torah and the prophets of the seed of abraham.

today those are in the minority. and reformed judiasm doesnt count.so in a sense its not the physical nation that is saved as we see today but rather the religion that is brought back to the roots from which they departed.


does this include jews that are athiests and reformed? most likely yes but i think its really adressed to the jewish sanhedrin and the followers of them. they are going to have to be in jerusalem to proclaim that or somewhere.i believe its jerusalem per the visions of zecheriah.
 
So when Christ comes and then sits upon the throne of His glory.. where is that going to be ?
 
So when Christ comes and then sits upon the throne of His glory.. where is that going to be ?
in order to be THE NATION OF ISREAL or a citizen, does one have to live there. what i mean is this is there any asumption that every jew moves there. many american jews support isreal but have no desire to move there. most probably have never set foot in that country.

my grandparents went there a few times but there was no desire to immigrate to isreal. so it cant just be the physical land and those in it that are in the trib that are in the nation of isreal.

i already answered that in order for the forseen deliverence of jerusalem there would have to be an sanhedrin in jersusalem to declare that yeshua hamashiac came 2000 yrs ago, or how long ago.
 
in order to be THE NATION OF ISREAL or a citizen, does one have to live there. what i mean is this is there any asumption that every jew moves there. many american jews support isreal but have no desire to move there. most probably have never set foot in that country.

my grandparents went there a few times but there was no desire to immigrate to isreal. so it cant just be the physical land and those in it that are in the trib that are in the nation of isreal.

i already answered that in order for the forseen deliverence of jerusalem there would have to be an sanhedrin in jersusalem to declare that yeshua hamashiac came 2000 yrs ago, or how long ago.

I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ will sit upon the throne of His glory in Jerusalem, which is the city of the great King.. along with His resurrected Apostles (Peter, James, John, etc) sitting upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.. and He will be King over all the earth in that Day, the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ.
 
I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ will sit upon the throne of His glory in Jerusalem, which is the city of the great King.. along with His resurrected Apostles (Peter, James, John, etc) sitting upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.. and He will be King over all the earth in that Day, the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ.
i am not denying that all. i am just stating what we say as isreal today maynot be the isreal of the bible's prophecied restoration
 
i am not denying that all. i am just stating what we say as isreal today maynot be the isreal of the bible's prophecied restoration

I would agree.. Israel remains cut off and their house is still desolate.. the nation of Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.. certainly not restored yet..
 
There are many scholars who preach and teach Amillennialism and Replacement Theology today.. but don't let that bother you.. there were unlearned fishermen in Christ's day who set the scholars straight then.. and the only requisite was that they had been with Jesus..
 
very rarely do i hear them. i listen to mainly pre-tribbers. i only know of one amilienist and he hasnt taught on eschatology.
 
I am prepared to argue - not simply claim, but argue - that the Bible predicts no wholesale large scale restoration of ethnic Israel, despite what Romans 11 appears to say.

I cannot do this right now, but here is a glimpse of the shape of that argument - we have clear precedent for Paul using the term "Israel" (examples: Galatians 6 and Romans 9) to denote not ethnic Israel, but instead the Jew + Gentile church.

Let's see where the actual arguments go, and I would suggest that readers carefully note the difference between simply making a statement and making a
This promises to be an interesting thread.
statement and supporting it with an actual argument.


And for whom ever curses the Jew what has God promised? It is advised to allow a sleeping dog lay. For it is not a wisenhiemer idea to awake him for the individual who does.
 
statement and supporting it with an actual argument.


And for whom ever curses the Jew what has God promised? It is advised to allow a sleeping dog lay. For it is not a wisenhiemer idea to awake him for the individual who does.
And for whom ever curses the Jew what has God promised?

Reference ?
 
As we can see.. there's not a single verse in the holy scriptures which teaches that the church of God is Israel.. and yet there are multitudes within Christendom who have been taught that very thing..

WHY ?
 
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